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Photographer

(1,142 posts)
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 10:59 AM Jun 2016

Texas Court Acquits Man Who Shot Woman Dead For Refusing To Have Sex With Him

A Texas jury has just acquitted a 30-year-old man who shot and killed a woman he met on Craigslist after she refused to have sex with him.

The man in question, Ezekiel Gilbert, has been cleared of murder after the Texas court determined that his actions were “justified after he shot an escort when she took his money but refused to have sex with him,” according to the Daily Mail.

Lenora Frago was shot in the neck by Gilbert on Christmas Eve 2009. As a result, the 23-year-old was paralyzed and died several months later.

The acquittal came from a Bexar County Texas court which determined that Mr Gilbert, who was facing a life sentence, should not be convicted of murder “because he was trying to retrieve stolen property.”

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http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/06/texas-court-just-acquited-man-woman/

Amazing what gun related laws in some states can cause.

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Texas Court Acquits Man Who Shot Woman Dead For Refusing To Have Sex With Him (Original Post) Photographer Jun 2016 OP
Wtf! MattP Jun 2016 #1
Insane and unforgivable. cali Jun 2016 #2
This is kind of an old case JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #3
Results like this were fully predicted before these types of laws were passed Major Nikon Jun 2016 #4
This isn't the Onion?? lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #5
So he hires what he thought was a hooker, but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #6
Really I thought I was about to read a story about the Taliban. avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #7
Texas Matrosov Jun 2016 #8
I was on a grand jury once reflection Jun 2016 #9
it wouldn't have mattered if it was the correct truck Major Nikon Jun 2016 #11
Indeed Matrosov Jun 2016 #12
It goes even farther than that Major Nikon Jun 2016 #13
Fortunately, "reasonable fear" has a standard that is used ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #14
"trying to retrieve stolen property" alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #10

JustAnotherGen

(31,777 posts)
3. This is kind of an old case
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jun 2016

But I'll never understand - Why didn't he call the police and have her arrested?

Her driver/pimp was pretty clear that they didn't do the 'sex' thing as it was illegal. So he shot her for not doing something illegal when all she promised was his time?

Again - he should have called the police and reported the theft.


Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
4. Results like this were fully predicted before these types of laws were passed
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jun 2016

As long as a person "reasonably believes" they are protecting property even if it isn't their own property, they can shoot with abandonment. If you see someone spraying graffiti on a highway overpass, you can legally shoot and kill them.

The best part is that now we know what was fully predicted can actually happen, the state of Texas will never repeal this fucked up law.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
6. So he hires what he thought was a hooker, but...
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jun 2016

she's not a hooker so he can legally shoot her because she didn't give him what he thought he paid for.

Is there anything more fucked up than that?

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
7. Really I thought I was about to read a story about the Taliban.
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jun 2016


Outrageous! that this activity goes on in Texas.
 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
8. Texas
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jun 2016

I remember a story where a repo man showed up in the middle of the night and accidentally towed the wrong truck.

The truck owner ran outside and shot the repo man.

A court decided in favor of the shooter, because technically, since it wasn't the correct truck, the repo man was guilty of theft and it's perfectly acceptable to shoot thieves.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
9. I was on a grand jury once
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jun 2016

where a man heard a commotion outside his house in the middle of the night. He looked out his window, and saw two men stealing his car.

He ran outside with his weapon (properly licensed) drawn, and confronted them. They identified themselves as repo men, and so he holstered his weapon and asked permission to remove his personals from the trunk. They acquiesced, he got his belongings, and let them leave with the vehicle.

The two repo men drove around the corner, called the police, and had this guy charged with menacing with a deadly weapon. We no-billed that one quickly. It's not menacing to draw on two people long enough to figure out why they are leaving with your car.

Thank goodness he didn't shoot them straight away like your example.

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
11. it wouldn't have mattered if it was the correct truck
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

Reality doesn't enter into the equation. It's only what the shooter "reasonably believes", which isn't the same thing as reasonable.

 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
12. Indeed
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jun 2016

An acquaintance was a DPS trooper in Texas. He said if a shooter has 'reasonable fear' for their life or property, that's usually good enough to shoot.

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
13. It goes even farther than that
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jun 2016

The fear doesn't even have to be reasonable. Only the person's belief that it's reasonable, which makes it nearly impossible to overcome a claim of self defense when unreasonable force is used.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
14. Fortunately, "reasonable fear" has a standard that is used
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jun 2016

by most jurisdictions and taught by most self-defense schools: ability, opportunity, jeopardy.

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