****** How about an OFFICIAL BREXIT/BREMAIN THREAD? ******

[Lucky Luciano]

Yougov just posted a poll a few minutes ago saying their last numbers were 52-48 in favor of remain.

This poll asked the same people that were polled from the previous day if and how they actually voted. 5000 sample. Geographically diverse etc.

[Aerows]

1. BREXIT

No reason to stay.

[Zynx]

2. I fall into precisely the opposite camp. I see no reason to leave.

I hope that Brexit is soundly defeated.

[yeoman6987]

4. I'd vote to leave only because I wouldn't want my country having to answer to another country

Britain should lead not follow.

[LonePirate]

10. BREXIT needs to fail. The potential BREXIT damage to the UK, EU and US economies is massive.

[Corporate666]

34. No

A plurality of people who are fearful of immigrants found the Brexit side more accurately represented their views, but coloring the whole leave side as having it's strongest support from racists is really no different than saying communists represent the most vehement part of the democratic party.

[Corporate666]

44. How much time do you spend actually living and working in the UK?

Using the news media to gauge what the feeling on the ground is like doesn't work too well.

The outrageous people and comments are what gets on the news - just look at Trump. I've lived there since the mid 70's and there has *always* been tons of immigrants. British people are fractionally as racist as you think - and even those for whom immigration is a major issue, it's got more to do with house prices, hospital wait times, school class sizes and availability of jobs than about hating immigrants.

But "rational British blue collar workers are concerned about space in schools" doesn't get on the news. A bunch of yobs holding signs or acting up for the camera does.

[pkdu]

108. I was born in the UK , lived there most of my life...its extremely diverse..with a strong

Trumpish Racist streak...has for decades , and increased in last 10-15 years with immigration from EU Eastern Europeans.


Paraphrased quote from comedian/commentator on BBC Radio

"Nothing quite defines the BREXIT attitude as the Brits that sit in Pubs , drinking German Beer and French Wine , served by a Polish Waiter/ess , complaining about the EU and Immigration"

[muriel_volestrangler]

113. But people voting Leave also gave immigration as the main reason

See page 36 of this: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/pm-16-june-2016-tables.pdf

52% of 'leave' say "The number of immigrants coming into Britain" is a very important reason for their vote, compared with just 22% saying "Britain's ability to make its own laws". Another 14% say "Impact on public services/housing", and 10% "The cost of EU immigration on Britain's welfare system".

[nationalize the fed]

19. Who said that

Cameron the Tory Pig F&cker? ROFL



The European Union always was a CIA project, as Brexiteers discover

The Telegraph 27 4 2016

Brexiteers should have been prepared for the shattering intervention of the US. The European Union always was an American project.

It was Washington that drove European integration in the late 1940s, and funded it covertly under the Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon administrations.

While irritated at times, the US has relied on the EU ever since as the anchor to American regional interests alongside NATO...snip

...Nor are many aware of declassified documents from the State Department archives showing that US intelligence funded the European movement secretly for decades, and worked aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain into the project.

As this newspaper first reported when the treasure became available, one memorandum dated July 26, 1950, reveals a campaign to promote a full-fledged European parliament. It is signed by Gen William J Donovan, head of the American wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the Central Inteligence Agency. ...more:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/27/the-european-union-always-was-a-cia-project-as-brexiteers-discov/

Euro-federalists financed by US spy chiefs

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels 19 Sep 2000

DECLASSIFIED American government documents show that the US intelligence community ran a campaign in the Fifties and Sixties to build momentum for a united Europe. It funded and directed the European federalist movement...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/1356047/Euro-federalists-financed-by-US-spy-chiefs.html

The US/CIA can't keep from meddling. And the people don't care enough to stop it.

NO THANK EU
Shout OUT!
Vote BREXIT

[NuclearDem]

20. Yeah, that's about as coherent an argument as the Brexit camp has been able to make.

"You stupid meany poopyheads, you just work for the Illuminati."

[Corporate666]

32. Nonsense

There's just nothing to support this assertion.

If there were, then the contrary position would be that trade deals cause massive economic benefit.

How many here would say NAFTA, TPP and other trade deals led to massive economic prosperity?



Can't have your cake and eat it too.

[LonePirate]

37. I'm not sure you truly understand the ramifications if BREXIT passes

Stocks will immediately tank around the globe in the deepest sell-off since the Great Recession. Europe as a whole will be seen as weak and divided which will prompt other countries to leave the EU due to the newly empowered isolationists. Russia will grow stronger as Europe's solidarity crumbles. Europe will almost certainly enter a prolonged, deep recession due to all of the instability and uncertainty. In today's global economy, such a recession will be like a sledgehammer against the American economy - an economy under strain from the newly strengthened isolationists here at home, headed by President Trump. This is not a situation we want at all. I hope you're well positioned to ride out several years of economic turmoil if BREXIT passes.

[Corporate666]

39. You forgot locust swarms, global floods, dogs and cats living together, and raining frogs

Not much will change, certainly none of the stuff you wrote.

But I think your post is satire, surely?

[LonePirate]

40. If BREXIT passes, check your 401K in 20 hours and let's see who's right.

It won't be you.

[Corporate666]

43. Why don't you put some money on that then?

I'm game - are you?

You said (and I quote) "Stocks will immediately tank around the globe in the deepest sell-off since the Great Recession". And you said EU countries will vote to leave the EU. And the US economy will be hit "like a sledgehammer". And that the USA will elect Trump.

So put some numbers on this.

What percentage will the FTSE, Nikkei, DJIA, SSE, HSI drop tomorrow?
What percentage will the DJIA and NASDAQ drop tomorrow if Brexit passes?
How many countries will vote to leave the EU and when will those votes happen?

I also bet that Trump will not win the GE.


Let's see who earns some cash on this. It won't be you.

[LonePirate]

47. Futures and the Pound dropping hard.

Joshua Green ‏@JoshuaGreen
BLOOMBERG: U.K., U.S. STOCK INDEX FUTURES DROP AMID BREXIT VOTE COUNT - FTSE 100 -7.4%, S&P 500 -3.5%, Dow -3%, Nasdaq 100 -3.6%

https://twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/746173536448946176

ITV News ‏@itvnews
Pound falls on course for biggest ever daily decline as Leave makes substantial wins http://www.itv.com/news/2016-06-24/pound-falls-in-biggest-ever-daily-decline-as-leave-makes-substantial-wins

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/746173183787667456

[Corporate666]

50. You dodged all the questions

I'm not going to let you run from your prediction.

You said the global markets will tank, Trump will get elected and the US economy will be hit with a sledgehammer.

So define "tank", because 3.5% drop in pre-market trading in the S&P isn't any kind of definition of "tank".

I think "tank" would be a 50% drop, or at least a 25% drop - considering you invoked the 2008 Great Recession, which was closer to a 70% drop.

[LonePirate]

57. You have no concept of the negative ramifications of the Leave vote.

The business day has not even started in London and the Pound is already down 10% and still freefalling. Evidently that's normal to you, oblivious to the declines coming in the days and weeks ahead.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

69. It's now down 12.4% and still dropping. Lowest it's been in decades. nt

[Corporate666]

70. Still dodging the question - you made bold statements, why run from them now?

You predicted global markets would tank.

You predicted the US economy would be hit with a sledgehammer.

You predicted Trump will win the election.


And when I am trying to get you to define your terms, you are doing everything you can do avoid actually explaining your claims, so I am forced to believe you realize your claims are bogus but won't man up and admit it.

What do you mean by 'world markets will tank'? They are down around 2% to 8% in pre-market trading, FTSE around 9% down. You referenced the great recession which was over a 60% drop, so what do you mean by "tanked"?

Are you going to answer or not?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

72. My god, you're seriously invested in this line of attack, aren't you? nt

[Corporate666]

79. Facts aren't attacks

When someone says something, it's not an attack to expect them to either explain their words or retract them.

If they refuse to do so and duck and weave and keep dodging the question, it tells you everything you need to know about them.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

81. "...it tells you everything you need to know about them." Pfffft, no it doesn't...

[LonePirate]

73. In a few hours they have dropped significantly.

What do you think happens if those declines persist and continue for weeks? Are the dots really that difficult for you to connect?

You sound like you are actually happy with the Brexit vote. That tells me everything about your true political inclinations and so much more.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

75. Nikkei futures has halted trading. The fallout has begun. nt

Last edited Fri Jun 24, 2016, 01:37 AM - Edit history (1)

[Corporate666]

83. No

Nikkei futures trading were temporarily halted for 10 minutes (since re-opened) as an automatic breaker kicked in.

Of course markets will be down - it will take weeks to sort all this out. But the claims of impending worldwide financial ruin, Trump winning the election, the EU disintegrating, the US economy being hit with a sledgehammer, the UK tanking - is nothing but bullshit.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

84. That's right, when I posted, the Nikkei was halted. And? nt

[Corporate666]

87. And you were wrong

1) When you posted, the market was open

2) Nobody reported "Nikkei halted". Nikkei FUTURES trading was halted for 10 minutes due to an automatic circuit breaker - is what was reported.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

89. That's right, an automatic circuit breaker. And? (You should really try to keep up)

[Corporate666]

90. And you misrepresented that

You said the market was halted.

No, one portion of the market was halted, temporarily, due to an automatic fail safe.

Nikkei futures are not the whole market - do you understand that?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

92. Yes, the futures isn't the whole market and an automatic circuit breaker was tripped. Do...

...you understand that?

[Corporate666]

98. Yes, and that's why I didn't claim the market was closed when only one part was for a few minutes...

only someone who doesn't understand how the Nikkei works would post that.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

100. Yes, one part of the market in Japan was halted on the brexit news - trading on the...

...futures market was halted. That's exactly what happened. So?

[Corporate666]

80. You said the markets will tank at a level not seen since the great recession

The Nikkei fell 25% starting in November of 2015.

So you predicted a 25% fall in the Nikkei. You said the markets would tank immediately. Nikkei futures are down 8.1%. You're predicting an additional 17% drop then. Time will tell very soon if you're correct.

Of course, now you are retreating from your earlier position and saying "if those declines continue for weeks". What happened to an immediate TANKING of the global markets? Trump winning the election?

You sound like you're unwilling to stand behind your earlier Chicken Little statements. That tells me everything I need to about your intellectual honesty and understanding of global markets and so much more.

[LonePirate]

82. The Nikkei has already halted trading. That's not tanking to you?

You're playing ridiculous games of semantics to obscure your support for Brexit, a completely repulsive position for any Democrat to possess. Of course, you may not be a Democrat which would make a lot sense.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

85. It's not games of semantics. You're being bullied. nt

[Corporate666]

86. Expecting you to be intellectually honest is a ridiculous game?

Well at least we agree on one thing - but I think that says a lot more about you.

You made a specific claim - that worldwide markets would "immediately tank" at a level not seen since the great recession. In the case of Nikkei, that would require a greater than 25% drop. That is YOUR prediction, not mine.

Nikkei is down 8%. So one of two things are going to happen - either it's going to drop an additional 17%, or you're full of BS.

Considering you predicted worldwide markets would tank, and futures show most markets down from 2 to 8%, I think it's pretty clear which of the two is the case.

Brexit is a "repulsive position" or any democrat? So, you are against the British people holding a referendum to decide whether they wish to continue participating in a (mostly) trade union? Do you see how ridiculous your words sound?

Are you even British? How long have you spent living there?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

91. Are you bloody mad? "Do you see how ridiculous your words sound?" nt

[Corporate666]

93. Do you think saying bloody makes you sound British?

Holding someone to task for their words is perfectly reasonable. I don't think he needs you to come and save him from being taken to task for outrageous claims, and add on false claims of your own.

Claiming the worldwide financial markets will immediately tank at a level not seen since the 2008 recession is an outrageous claim. And it's easily proven false as I did above by pointing out the Nikkei fell 25% starting in November 2015, so unless it falls another 17%, the claim of immediate worldwide tanking of markets is just an emotional over-reaction with no basis in fact.

Claiming Trump will be elected and the US economy will take a sledgehammer hit are outrageous claims.

If he doesn't wish to defend his claims, that's fine - I have no qualms about pointing out the huge difference between those outrageous claims and the reality we can see before our eyes.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

94. It makes you feel good...

...huh?

[Corporate666]

95. Yes, being truthful makes me feel good. And being rational feels good.

Emotional outbursts don't count for much, especially when people lie and overstate or mischaracterize things to try to scare others into agreeing with them.

That holds true whether the lies are about free condoms handed out in schools leading to promiscuity or British people voting not to be part of a trade union being told they have precipitated a worldwide financial meltdown.

Bullshit is bullshit on either side of the Atlantic.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

97. Hey, let me ask you something...

Now, hang here with me for a moment... Have you ever seen a UFO? I mean, like, for real, have you ever seen one?



I'm sure you thinking like "WTF?? WTF does UFOs have to do with anything?" But just roll with me here for a moment...

[Corporate666]

99. And there it is....

You've careened into the realm of the ridiculous rather than defend your position or acknowledge your error when confronted with facts and figures that proved you were wrong.

That's a win for me. Thanks for playing, mate.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

102. There was no error on my part to acknowledge. But you go ahead thinking that you're a...

...because you're the only one who cares.

Now...

Can you not answer the question? Have you ever seen a UFO?

[Corporate666]

105. I am the only one between the two of us who cares about facts and truth

You said the Nikkei halted. That was false. One part of the Nikkei was temporarily halted for a few minutes due to an automatic circuit breaker.

To extrapolate to "The Nikkei was halted" is analogous to saying "The USA has banned guns" after one locality in one state banned one kind of gun being purchased by one group of people.

Rather than accept your error, you've descended into lunacy as demonstrated above. I sincerely hope you are under the age of 25.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

107. " One part of the Nikkei was temporarily halted for a few minutes due to...

...an automatic circuit breaker." <---- That's right! And?? So?? That's what the news reports were saying, it's not a secret...



And, though I've asked you to hang with me on the UFO question, you simply refuse to answer. Fine, then.

I only wish I was under 25. Is there something wrong with being under 25? I'd give my left nut to be that age again.

[Corporate666]

109. Yes, now you have it correct - thanks for admitting your previous post was false

and that Nikkei futures is not "the Nikkei" anymore than South Bend, IL is "the USA".

And Nikkei has found it's floor for today - up 100 points over it's low for the day. Hang Seng has risen 200 points over it's low for the day.

Pound has risen 30% above it's low for today vs the dollar.

Sure, they are all down. All global markets will be down - but the poster you came along to "save" has been proven wrong in the claims of "global markets will immediately tank; worst losses since the great recession".

Apparently not. "The rumors of the UK's death have been greatly exaggerated".

[ChisolmTrailDem]

110. You should really chill. Nobody cares about this except you. Your need to establish...

...that you are right about everything says as much about you as anyone needs to know.

But, as long as you feel good about yourself, dear, I see no reason to deny you your "victory". Now, be sure to go pen it down in your memoir notes. You've enjoyed a profound and glorious accomplishment today. You should have a sherry as you pat yourself on the back, mate.

[Corporate666]

111. You cared enough to

furiously hit refresh and reply to every one of my posts within a matter of minutes.

You only (pretended to) stop caring when it became apparent that your rush to support the other guy made you just as incorrect as he was (I also not he scurried away from the thread rather than defend his ridiculous claims of immediate worldwide financial doom for the USA, the dissolution of the EU, and the election of Trump!).

I always want to know when I am wrong. I care about facts and data. Emotional outbursts are no way to legislate and no way to run a country. It's unfortunate that a minority of people care about facts these days. Most of them tend to be young and naive and inexperienced... the <25yo crowd.

Anyway, good luck with your new-found British accent, chav... err, I mean chap. I know you won't stop replying no matter how many hundreds of posts this thread expanded to - I made my point and I was right. So with that, welcome to my ignore list!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

112. Oooohhhhh!!!1! Thanks little baby jeezus!! You FINALLY put me on ignore!1!! Here, before you go...

[swhisper1]

103. yeah right

and we have been riding out several years of economic turmoil, so we will recover from another blunder in globalization a little smarter about markets, and attempts at world domination.

[sibelian]

78. The EU's a colossal financial mess.

Everyone's coffers tied to a handful of stupid southern members that have spent decades not paying their taxes and voting for idiots like Silvio Berlusconi.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

71. Why are you talking shit about Jackpine Radicals?

[NuclearDem]

11. You can't be serious.

[sibelian]

77. Why not?

What's so special about the EU?

[Lucky Luciano]

5. Ladbrokes now 1/12 for remain in online betting. nt

[Lucky Luciano]

6. Pound and Euro rallying as is USDJPY since the Yougov poll.

All very favorable for BREMAIN.

[DemFromPittsburgh]

7. I would not stake a lot on one poll. Turnout was heavy. We need to see the count.

[Lucky Luciano]

8. FX markets and betting markets seem to confirm...but yes

...more info needed ASAFP!

[Warpy]

9. BBC still has a polite message about being legally required not to post anything about the election

until the polls close, but the "stay__, remain__" banner has now been put up.

I'm on the side of remain because of the labor regulations that overturned a lot of vicious Thatcherism. Still, I'm glad I didn't have to choose, votes in the US are so much more clear cut, candidates we don't particurlay love vs. candidates who are batshit crazy.

[Lucky Luciano]

12. EUR now trading below 5:00 level and USDJPY weakened by 0.4%

GBP holding steady, but slightly down from the post 5:00 peak.

[RAFisher]

13. BBC ONE Live stream

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

I don't really know where I stand. I probably want Brexit to lose and for the UK not leave the EU. Boris Johnson, UKIP, and homicidal nationalist really turn me off to Brexit. However I know there are leftist who are also in favor of Brexit. Ultimately it's the people's decision.

[frazzled]

18. My leftist British friends are also "Stay"

The portion of the left that has allied itself with far right racism and xenophobia is ... I don't know what. Not to mention the economic mess it would create and the powerful position it would put Germany in.

I'm hoping that "remain" wins, all the while sending a message to Brussels that it needs to get its act together.

[frazzled]

24. Best reasoning I've seen from a Brit to stay

Boris Johnson wants us to leave
Nigel Farage wants us to leave
Rupert Murdoch wants us to leave
Vladimir Putin wants us to leave
Donald Trump wants us to leave
Marine Le Pen wants us to leave
Jo Cox wanted us to remain
I'm voting to remain

https://instagram.com/p/BG9mO0gLzst/

[Lucky Luciano]

25. Works for me! nt

[Denzil_DC]

14. Similar thread already going on at the UK Group:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/108810197

Latest there:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Nigel Farage: Looks Like Remain Will Edge It"

Nigel Farage has told Sky News it "looks like Remain will edge it" as polls closed in the EU referendum.

The UKIP leader said it had been an "extraordinary" campaign and it looked like turnout had been "exceptionally high".

...

A YouGov opinion poll projection put Remain on 52% and Leave on 48%.

...

The estimated turnout has been put at 83.7%

http://news.sky.com/story/1716585/nigel-farage-looks-like-remain-will-edge-it

Farage doesn't strike me as one for reverse headfaking. On the other hand, nor does he strike me as being reliable on anything. But I'd imagine he'd be more bullish right now if he had reason to think the vote was going to go his way.

That's a pretty astronomical turnout if it proves true.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Farage apparently based his view on a private 10,000-person poll UKIP carried out today.

[greatauntoftriplets]

17. I'm in.

Brexit is a terrible idea that will adversely impact the global economy.

[DemFromPittsburgh]

21. Its 11:08 PM you lazy bastards. START COUNTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Recursion]

22. The UK's labor laws were strengthened by EU requirements

There's a reason it's mostly the right that wants to exit.

[DemFromPittsburgh]

23. Should I Stay or Should I Go???

[muriel_volestrangler]

26. Gibraltar votes 96% remain

not that we can infer anything for anywhere else from that. Only about 20,000 votes, so it's not a big influence on the total result.

[DemFromPittsburgh]

27. Gibraltar has always been a rock.

[Lucky Luciano]

28. ...and of course those outside the mainland UK near

other EU areas (and expats in the rest of the EU) will want in!

[IcyPeas]

29. Did you see John Oliver's bit on Brexit? both informative and hilarious.

[k8conant]

30. It'll be hard for me to hear "Ode to Joy" ever again...

without remembering Oliver's words.

[hunter]

64. Damn!

or

[muriel_volestrangler]

31. Newcastle result was a narrower lead for Remain than expected

Early indications are that areas with an older electorate have a better turnout (Newcastle has many students). This is getting the talking heads to say it could be extremely close.

[Corporate666]

35. Very very early but two pretty shocking results in favor of Brexit

Newcastle was one. A very working class area that was expected to be strongly in favor of remaining, but it was very close.

Sunderland just came in - they voted to leave by a substantially higher margin than was expected.

And it appears turnout from Scotland is substantially lower than expected, and Scotland was always going to be a strong "remain" vote.

[Angel Martin]

36. the pound is getting creamed

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36611512?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120&link_location=live-reporting-story

[Corporate666]

38. It had been hyped up without reason

There's been a few (looking like unwarranted) assumptions

-Remain will win

-The pound will rise substantially

among many others.

The first results are showing Brexit is doing substantially better than expected - it's early yet, but a lot of people who put money into the market on a rash assumption are cashing out and trying to minimize the bloodshed.

[L. Coyote]

33. Wait a minute, official threads have five stars, not six.

Just ask Hugh and Agent Mike.

Sky News Live - EU: In Or Out?

[Lucky Luciano]

45. Apologies for messing up my first official thread!

Lol

[L. Coyote]

52. It only took me about a year to realize how official they are.

Then I made my first one.

[Barack_America]

46. The UK is officially past the halfway point for Brexit.

16.8 million votes required, Leave with over 8.5 million. Remain just cracked 8 million.

[brooklynite]

48. GBP has dropped from a high of $1.50 to $1.37

Expect a market drop tomorrow.

[L. Coyote]

54. Lowest level since '85 and still falling fast. Meanwhile, they are celebrating victory. Go figure.

Parliament can do what they want, especially with such a close result.

[Recursion]

59. That's good for their exporters, though

And bad for ours if traders flee the GBP and EUR and put it in dollars. It looks like the Yen is rising, though, so if this strengthens that and the Renminbi it takes some pressure off us...

[L. Coyote]

67. Not good for those with overseas investments, retirement funds, etc.

[brooklynite]

49. 480,000+ margin for "LEAVE"

London is going to have to come in by immense margins to offset.

[Lucky Luciano]

51. Due to weather, London turnout is way lower than expected.

Very bad for the remain camp. Bookies up to 80% chance of Brexit.

The rain in London was torrential. One if the big guns at our company got back from londonbthis afternoon and said the weather was definitely going to hurt turnout in London...he was right.


GBP cracked 1.35 - lowest since 1985!

[brooklynite]

53. I think, in American parlance, we can "characterize the result"

[craigmatic]

55. This whole thing is an example of an unforced error.

I don't see why they let this go to a vote conservatives were split, and the other parties are against it. Scots would leave as a result of this passing but at least Cameron would be out too.

[alcibiades_mystery]

56. LEAVE up by 630,000

[geek tragedy]

58. Brexit is guaranteed now--up 630k votes. Game over

Vote isn't even close

[Recursion]

62. Up 700K now. The crazy bastards are actually doing it (nt)

[geek tragedy]

63. England's pretense at being a world power is living on borrowed time nt

[TeddyR]

60. Setting aside whether you support or oppose Brexit

Pretty awesome that the UK had 72% turnout for this vote. The US doesn't get 72% turnout for anything. And ultimately, if Brexit passes it appears that it did so because the majority of voters wanted to exit.

[brooklynite]

61. Now nearly 750,000 votes in favor of "LEAVE"

[Baclava]

65. 73% of vote in - Leave 51.7% / Remain 48.3%

Live EU referendum results and maps:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/23/leave-or-remain-eu-referendum-results-and-live-maps/

[L. Coyote]

66. Here's a good graph of the outstanding votes.

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

[ismnotwasm]

68. AP says it's a leave

[Warpy]

74. As of 10 PM MDT, Dow futures down 609.00, xe.com is unavailable, poundsterlinglive.com is down

and BBC reports the pound is at its lowest level since 1985 as of an hour ago.

Buckle your seat belts, this is going to be one hell of a ride for the next few days.

[Binkie The Clown]

76. If it's a tie will they call it "Brundecided"? n/t

[cloudythescribbler]

88. A thumping victory for stupidity everywhere ...

First off, an excellent recent oped in the NY Times noted how in the UK, the press -- highbrow, middlebrow & tabloid -- were a solid wall of propaganda for years and years against the EU:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/opinion/who-is-to-blame-for-brexits-appeal-british-newspapers.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0

Yep -- Scotland will secede from the UK, the UK will decline economically, and London in particular as a financial center will take a hit that might not be reversed. Who would take London's place? Relative rise of financial importance of NYC and China, but quite possibly some center in Europe -- Netherlands or Germany (my bet would be on Germany)

If global economic downturn, triggered by global market crash/panic, could help Trump, with further negative implications for the US and globally

Could presage the breakup of the EU, but remember that if things go badly in the UK economically, this might DIScourage other countries like France & Netherlands from following the same path

Could also be a political backlash over time in the UK as the economy tanks, tho the secession of more progressive Scotland would be something of a firewall or cushioning factor

"The Brexiters NOT the immigrants took away your job"

[still_one]

101. Not a bad assessment. Trump is definitely going to embrace it

[DonCoquixote]

104. I hope not germany

Germany deserves a lot of blame too. I vote for Amsterdam

[Hekate]

96. 10:00 pm California Time, watching CNN: Holy Fuck.

[Renew Deal]

106. Bang Ding Ow