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jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 05:59 PM Jun 2016

Phoenix-bound airplane turns around due to heat

http://www.azfamily.com/story/32257743/flight-to-phoenix-returns-to-houston-due-to-heat

PHOENIX (KPHO/KTVK) - A flight from Houston to Phoenix had to turn around due to concerns about the heat on Sunday.

United Airlines' flight 6186 left Houston and made it into New Mexico.

Due to heat-related concerns, the plane diverted back to Houston International Airport, Ericka Wilkerson with Sky Harbor International Airport said.


The plane was an Embraer 175.
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Phoenix-bound airplane turns around due to heat (Original Post) jmowreader Jun 2016 OP
But it's a dry heat! NuclearDem Jun 2016 #1
Not anymore in Phoenix burrowowl Jun 2016 #2
They need to put pools on airplanes. DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #6
There'd always be some idiot who yells "Cannonball!" pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #9
my sister said there were several flights grounded that day Kali Jun 2016 #3
"The temperature limitation for this aircraft [Embraer 175] to operate safely was 118," Jerry442 Jun 2016 #4
Why didn't they get the temperature at PHX before leaving HOU? jmowreader Jun 2016 #8
Well there's your problem... If it's hot, get rid of the blanket... Thor_MN Jun 2016 #17
{{{Rim shot}}} Jerry442 Jun 2016 #19
Jeez. Just crack a window. DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #5
I don't think I've ever heard this before mcar Jun 2016 #7
I hate having to fly into Phoenix! WhiteTara Jun 2016 #10
It makes the engines less efficient localroger Jun 2016 #16
The extreme heat not only affects mechanical components, Ilsa Jun 2016 #18
Ambient heat affects fuel/oxygen mix, as well Aerows Jun 2016 #20
Yikes! The trains had announcements here in SoCal they are running slower due to heat. R B Garr Jun 2016 #11
When it gets over 118, the Tarmac is almost spongy hot.....think of lava thelordofhell Jun 2016 #12
I thought most runways are cement. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #13
There's the heat from the landing gear thelordofhell Jun 2016 #14
Hot air is less dense and produces less thrust than cold air Snarkoleptic Jun 2016 #15
Yep - high ambient temperature Aerows Jun 2016 #21
That, plus hot air is less dense and creates less lift at the same airspeed. Binkie The Clown Jun 2016 #22

burrowowl

(17,639 posts)
2. Not anymore in Phoenix
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jun 2016

all the pools, golf courses, etc. have made it humid.
And take into consideration melting asphalt.
Plus difficult to get the right fuel mixture for uplift.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
3. my sister said there were several flights grounded that day
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jun 2016

if was freaking hot even down (actually up) where I am.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
4. "The temperature limitation for this aircraft [Embraer 175] to operate safely was 118,"
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jun 2016

Uhhhh.... That's going to be a problem, guys.

On edit: the article was unclear whether this was a blanket limitation or a limitation on this particular aircraft as loaded on this particular day.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
17. Well there's your problem... If it's hot, get rid of the blanket...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jun 2016

Hell, if it's over 100 degrees, don't come to my house, 'cause I'm gonna be buck nekkid.

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
10. I hate having to fly into Phoenix!
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:39 PM
Jun 2016

THe pilot has to fight so hard to land the plane because of the updrafts from the heat. Very bumpy landings.

localroger

(3,626 posts)
16. It makes the engines less efficient
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jun 2016

...and the engines have to work harder than usual even in normal weather because the altitude is so high that the air is much thinner than in most takeoff/landing situations.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
18. The extreme heat not only affects mechanical components,
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jun 2016

the heat also makes it harder for the plane to get off the ground at all.

Hot air is less dense which affects the output of the engines as well as aerodynamic capabilities, increasing the required runway distance and reducing climb performance. Pilots then have to consider total weight on the craft.

Alot depends on the temperature, airport elevation and the length of the available runways. And getting off the ground is only part of it: once airborne, planes have to meet specific, engine-out climb criterion, so nearby obstructions are another complication.

Lift lift lift

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
20. Ambient heat affects fuel/oxygen mix, as well
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jun 2016

Even in a semi-closed system such as an airplane has.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
11. Yikes! The trains had announcements here in SoCal they are running slower due to heat.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jun 2016

The heat can expand the tracks, so they have to slow down.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
12. When it gets over 118, the Tarmac is almost spongy hot.....think of lava
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:15 PM
Jun 2016

So the weight of the aircraft will make the landing gear stick to the Tarmac.......Can't land planes when the temp reaches to 120+

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
14. There's the heat from the landing gear
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jun 2016

And also, when the heat climbs to 118+, you can't get enough lift on an airplane to make it up before you run out of runway.........

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
15. Hot air is less dense and produces less thrust than cold air
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jun 2016

Also, jet engines create a lot of heat and when the intake air is already really hot, you may exceed the max temp of the air pushed out of the engine.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
22. That, plus hot air is less dense and creates less lift at the same airspeed.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:51 AM
Jun 2016

Planes have to land and take off at a higher speed when the air is less dense either due to altitude or heat. If it's hot enough, the plane can't get enough lift at safe landing speed to avoid hitting the runway too hard.

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