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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPerhaps the media should take a look at Snopes, vis a vis E. Warren's use of her heritage to....
further her career.
they keep repeating over and over and over and over that she's either not native American OR is using it to further her career. Scott Brown and Trump are both calling her racist for doing so. Are they really THAT insensitive to how they sound? Especially Doncon for calling her Pocahontas, then racist in the same breath
here's what Snopes has to say about using her heritage to pull strings:
she didn't! lots of people were interviewed that supervised contested versions of her CV, when wingnuts insisted she used heritage to take unfair advantage. NOT ONE whit of evidence that she pushed her background to gain advantage.
Rumors:
1>>Elizabeth Warren lives in a multi-million-dollar mansion, and has referred to her native American background
2>>relied on scant Native American heritage claims to land a job at Harvard, which paid her $350K for ONE CLASS
TRUE: 1>>Elizabeth Warren's home is likely worth more than the average American home, and the Senator has spoken of her Native American ancestry.
FALSE: 2>> Elizabeth Warren lives in a mansion valued at several million dollars.
UNPROVEN: 2>>Elizabeth Warren used claims of Native American heritage to gain an edge over other candidates for a job at Harvard; Warren drew the salary for teaching only one class.
and this:
The legitimacy of Warren's claims to Native American heritage has certainly been challenged by many critics, and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the "Minority Law Teacher" list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member. But specific evidence that she gained her position at Harvard (at least in part) through her claims to Native American heritage is lacking. Warren denied applying for special consideration as a person of Native American heritage during her career, and when the matter was examined in 2012 in response to Brown's claims, people with whom Warren had worked similarly denied her ancestral background's factoring into the professional opportunities afforded her:
read the rest at Snopes (I edited the charges/refutation slightly so they'd be easier to follow) for details on the career advancement Swiftboating 'evidence'.
NOBODY on CNN/MSNBC has mentioned ANY of the Snopes rebuttal. surprised? of course not. will they give dem surrogates a chance to put an end to this latest Swiftboat fantasy?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/politicians/warren.asp
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)Did she know she would be a politician when she applied?
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)THAT much
and, even if she had political asperations, was filling out a FORM unethical?
if she has no native heritage, of course, that's another story
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)if you're talking about her referring to her ancestry, did she do something unethical in mentioining it?
if not, what are you talking about?
did you read the Snopes article?
if not, please do
thank you for your time
Hekate
(90,618 posts)Trump will use ANYTHING and lie about it.
Tinyhands wanted Obama's birth certificate to "prove" he was born in the US, a seriously racist and anti-miscegenation type charge.
Now Tinyhands wants Elizabeth Warren to take a DNA test to "prove" she has some Native American heritage, another seriously stupid charge, since nearly every American has family stories that include a remote NA ancestor.
The vulgar talking yam can just take one look at you and tell if you are a "real" American, right?
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)I just linked an Atlantic article that goes into some detail of the family stories that were passed along about her heritage.
how I LOATHE these monsters in human garb who call themselves republicans
and as bad as they are, the media are infinitely WORSE, because they let BS like this pass as quickly as cholera effluent through Rush Limbaugh
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)will they mention that these charges are either completely FALSE, or are unprovable, leaning to FALSE
didn't stop the swiftboaters, nor did the media do anything to stop them
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)let it go without a word
what's the status of her ancestry? I never checked, but you would think CNN could take five seconds to type in Warren native American ancestry controversy, just as will momentarily, and see what comes up, instead of just ACCEPTING the word of the planet's most egregious serial liar.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)she MIGHT be 1/32 Cherokee, which, according to tribal law isn't enough to claim ancestry. but the current principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker, is only 1/32 Cherokee himself.
her story comes down to family lore; the so-called geneaologists can't find anything substantiating the stories....oh, because they go so FAR BACK into the wilds of wherever. what a surprise
read for yourself here:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/is-elizabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/
so suck on that Scott Brown, and all you other scumbugs, like CNN, who can't be bothered to mention any of that, much less the snopes-researched gainsaying of the wingnut frothmouthers
those monkey pictures.......stop it Gabi Hayes, yer killing me
spanone
(135,812 posts)Squinch
(50,934 posts)proportions. And my wager is that they will continue coming after her, hard and viciously and untruthfully, for the rest of her career.
And what do these two people have in common?
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)since Nixon, at the very least.
Read The Selling of the President in 1968, for a good starting point. that didn't even mention the first October Surprise, in which Nixon/Kissinger conspired to commit TREASON to lengthen the Vietnam War.
then 72 and the ratfuckers (one of whom was Roger Stone, who has a tattoo of Nixon on his back)
need we talk about Carter/October Surprise, and so on? too mad to keep this up
Squinch
(50,934 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)claiming Native American ancestry. How far back does the given ancestry matter? Different Native American tribes have different standards of the percentage of ancestry needed to be registered with the tribe. Does anyone who doesn't meet the given standards lose all claim to naming that ancestry?
riversedge
(70,182 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)according to the powers that be, won't happen, because she's too anti-wall street, and it'll hurt Hillary on the donor scene, and amongst independents, who apparently think she's too much of a comsymp
media maven/goon Halperin, late-loathed perpetrator of The Note (Kool Kids media blog of many years ago, and who called Obama a DICK on the air awhile back) is showing her now. can't wait to see how he slobbers all over the heritage imbroglio
I'm betting he won't say word ONE about the bogosity of the charges, and the IRONY of trump calling her a racist
here we go:
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)only discussing the wisdom of doing this. not one word about whether his charges are true
what a surprise!
will give them props for emphasizing what BAD POLITICS the personal nature of his attacks against her are, bringing up the Pocahontas bit
riversedge
(70,182 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)the veracity/lack thereof
simply astounding
talking, instead, about the downside of a Warren Veep
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)family story, then playing the relevant excerpt from Brown's phone call, sponsored by the RNC, in which he calls for a TNA, not not DNA test for Warren. nobody caught that one
TNA, like in Charlie's angels, or what?
he did a good job getting at the heart of the issue, and calling them on their hypocrisy, charging HER with racism
btw, Brown sounded VERY hesitant, and unsure of himself while going through his paces. very unpolished, perhaps because he knew the garbage he was putting forth
I often ask myself of these people after witnessing such travesties: how do you SLEEP at night, huh?
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)they agree on a salient point: Trump is dragging the RNC closer to his madness than they are making him a more controllable, fit for mass consumption candidate: this RNC call hosting, IOW, was a big mistake
agreeing on a 40 percent floor for ANY republican these days, regardless of how heinous