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Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 04:53 PM Jun 2016

Perhaps the media should take a look at Snopes, vis a vis E. Warren's use of her heritage to....

further her career.

they keep repeating over and over and over and over that she's either not native American OR is using it to further her career. Scott Brown and Trump are both calling her racist for doing so. Are they really THAT insensitive to how they sound? Especially Doncon for calling her Pocahontas, then racist in the same breath

here's what Snopes has to say about using her heritage to pull strings:

she didn't! lots of people were interviewed that supervised contested versions of her CV, when wingnuts insisted she used heritage to take unfair advantage. NOT ONE whit of evidence that she pushed her background to gain advantage.

Rumors:
1>>Elizabeth Warren lives in a multi-million-dollar mansion, and has referred to her native American background
2>>relied on scant Native American heritage claims to land a job at Harvard, which paid her $350K for ONE CLASS





TRUE: 1>>Elizabeth Warren's home is likely worth more than the average American home, and the Senator has spoken of her Native American ancestry.

FALSE: 2>> Elizabeth Warren lives in a mansion valued at several million dollars.

UNPROVEN: 2>>Elizabeth Warren used claims of Native American heritage to gain an edge over other candidates for a job at Harvard; Warren drew the salary for teaching only one class.


and this:

The legitimacy of Warren's claims to Native American heritage has certainly been challenged by many critics, and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the "Minority Law Teacher" list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member. But specific evidence that she gained her position at Harvard (at least in part) through her claims to Native American heritage is lacking. Warren denied applying for special consideration as a person of Native American heritage during her career, and when the matter was examined in 2012 in response to Brown's claims, people with whom Warren had worked similarly denied her ancestral background's factoring into the professional opportunities afforded her:

read the rest at Snopes (I edited the charges/refutation slightly so they'd be easier to follow) for details on the career advancement Swiftboating 'evidence'.

NOBODY on CNN/MSNBC has mentioned ANY of the Snopes rebuttal. surprised? of course not. will they give dem surrogates a chance to put an end to this latest Swiftboat fantasy?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/politicians/warren.asp

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Perhaps the media should take a look at Snopes, vis a vis E. Warren's use of her heritage to.... (Original Post) Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 OP
Politics 101 - don't give your opponents ammunition to use against you yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #1
And what is the Ammo? trumad Jun 2016 #2
heh....you beat me by Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #4
examples, please? Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #3
Meaning what exactly? Live under a rock? Trump is a Birther; this is just his new phase. Hekate Jun 2016 #8
EXACTLY, and thanks for that Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #10
CNN 5PM opening headline about Warren....talking about it now Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #5
they just showed the Trump quote: ''she made up her heritage, which is RACIST'' Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #6
here's what I found Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #9
OMG Skittles Jun 2016 #22
'the media's last hard hitting story....' spanone Jun 2016 #7
They've always smeared Liz, but now it looks as if they are escalating it to Hillary smear Squinch Jun 2016 #11
I think I know the answer, and it's irrelevant. they have played dirty, filthy politics Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #12
Nope. Not irrelevant. Not the same. Squinch Jun 2016 #13
I have certainly known more than one blond haired blue eyed person SheilaT Jun 2016 #14
the media is promoting this lie--why would they want facts? riversedge Jun 2016 #15
that's the KEY in this case. I think it's going to be the fork in her possible Veepness, which, Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #16
talking about trump's charge of making up her ancestry right now: Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #17
REC riversedge Jun 2016 #18
tweety brings up the trump/brown slurs, fails to deal in any way, so far, with Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #19
finally, chris hayes goes deep into the heritage story, basically quoting from snopes, re: the Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #20
Level Two on the heritage imbroglio, with Sam Sedar Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #21
 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
4. heh....you beat me by
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jun 2016

THAT much

and, even if she had political asperations, was filling out a FORM unethical?

if she has no native heritage, of course, that's another story

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
3. examples, please?
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jun 2016

if you're talking about her referring to her ancestry, did she do something unethical in mentioining it?

if not, what are you talking about?

did you read the Snopes article?

if not, please do

thank you for your time

Hekate

(90,618 posts)
8. Meaning what exactly? Live under a rock? Trump is a Birther; this is just his new phase.
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016

Trump will use ANYTHING and lie about it.

Tinyhands wanted Obama's birth certificate to "prove" he was born in the US, a seriously racist and anti-miscegenation type charge.

Now Tinyhands wants Elizabeth Warren to take a DNA test to "prove" she has some Native American heritage, another seriously stupid charge, since nearly every American has family stories that include a remote NA ancestor.

The vulgar talking yam can just take one look at you and tell if you are a "real" American, right?


 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
10. EXACTLY, and thanks for that
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jun 2016

I just linked an Atlantic article that goes into some detail of the family stories that were passed along about her heritage.

how I LOATHE these monsters in human garb who call themselves republicans

and as bad as they are, the media are infinitely WORSE, because they let BS like this pass as quickly as cholera effluent through Rush Limbaugh

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
5. CNN 5PM opening headline about Warren....talking about it now
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jun 2016

will they mention that these charges are either completely FALSE, or are unprovable, leaning to FALSE

didn't stop the swiftboaters, nor did the media do anything to stop them

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
6. they just showed the Trump quote: ''she made up her heritage, which is RACIST''
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

let it go without a word

what's the status of her ancestry? I never checked, but you would think CNN could take five seconds to type in Warren native American ancestry controversy, just as will momentarily, and see what comes up, instead of just ACCEPTING the word of the planet's most egregious serial liar.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
9. here's what I found
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

she MIGHT be 1/32 Cherokee, which, according to tribal law isn't enough to claim ancestry. but the current principal chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker, is only 1/32 Cherokee himself.

her story comes down to family lore; the so-called geneaologists can't find anything substantiating the stories....oh, because they go so FAR BACK into the wilds of wherever. what a surprise

read for yourself here:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/is-elizabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/

so suck on that Scott Brown, and all you other scumbugs, like CNN, who can't be bothered to mention any of that, much less the snopes-researched gainsaying of the wingnut frothmouthers

Squinch

(50,934 posts)
11. They've always smeared Liz, but now it looks as if they are escalating it to Hillary smear
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jun 2016

proportions. And my wager is that they will continue coming after her, hard and viciously and untruthfully, for the rest of her career.

And what do these two people have in common?

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
12. I think I know the answer, and it's irrelevant. they have played dirty, filthy politics
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jun 2016

since Nixon, at the very least.

Read The Selling of the President in 1968, for a good starting point. that didn't even mention the first October Surprise, in which Nixon/Kissinger conspired to commit TREASON to lengthen the Vietnam War.

then 72 and the ratfuckers (one of whom was Roger Stone, who has a tattoo of Nixon on his back)



need we talk about Carter/October Surprise, and so on? too mad to keep this up

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
14. I have certainly known more than one blond haired blue eyed person
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jun 2016

claiming Native American ancestry. How far back does the given ancestry matter? Different Native American tribes have different standards of the percentage of ancestry needed to be registered with the tribe. Does anyone who doesn't meet the given standards lose all claim to naming that ancestry?

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
16. that's the KEY in this case. I think it's going to be the fork in her possible Veepness, which,
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jun 2016

according to the powers that be, won't happen, because she's too anti-wall street, and it'll hurt Hillary on the donor scene, and amongst independents, who apparently think she's too much of a comsymp

media maven/goon Halperin, late-loathed perpetrator of The Note (Kool Kids media blog of many years ago, and who called Obama a DICK on the air awhile back) is showing her now. can't wait to see how he slobbers all over the heritage imbroglio

I'm betting he won't say word ONE about the bogosity of the charges, and the IRONY of trump calling her a racist

here we go:

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
17. talking about trump's charge of making up her ancestry right now:
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jun 2016

only discussing the wisdom of doing this. not one word about whether his charges are true

what a surprise!

will give them props for emphasizing what BAD POLITICS the personal nature of his attacks against her are, bringing up the Pocahontas bit

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
19. tweety brings up the trump/brown slurs, fails to deal in any way, so far, with
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jun 2016

the veracity/lack thereof

simply astounding

talking, instead, about the downside of a Warren Veep

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
20. finally, chris hayes goes deep into the heritage story, basically quoting from snopes, re: the
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jun 2016

family story, then playing the relevant excerpt from Brown's phone call, sponsored by the RNC, in which he calls for a TNA, not not DNA test for Warren. nobody caught that one

TNA, like in Charlie's angels, or what?

he did a good job getting at the heart of the issue, and calling them on their hypocrisy, charging HER with racism

btw, Brown sounded VERY hesitant, and unsure of himself while going through his paces. very unpolished, perhaps because he knew the garbage he was putting forth

I often ask myself of these people after witnessing such travesties: how do you SLEEP at night, huh?

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
21. Level Two on the heritage imbroglio, with Sam Sedar
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jun 2016

they agree on a salient point: Trump is dragging the RNC closer to his madness than they are making him a more controllable, fit for mass consumption candidate: this RNC call hosting, IOW, was a big mistake

agreeing on a 40 percent floor for ANY republican these days, regardless of how heinous

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