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Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:46 PM

 

the astonishing scale of traffic stops which Castile had been subject to, 31 stops

Black man whose shooting death by police was streamed live by his girlfriend had been pulled over AT LEAST 31 times and hit with 63 traffic charges

Philando Castile's dying moments were livestreamed on Facebook by his girlfriend, causing outrage
The black 32-year-old's death led to protests in St Paul, Minnesota, and was decried by the state's governor
Daily Mail Online can disclose the astonishing scale of traffic stops which Castile had been subject to
Public records say that he had 31 encounters which resulted in charges, and had 63 separate charges
He was found guilty of 43, and would have paid thousands of dollars in fines
Relative says it is evidence that police were targeting him for DWB - slang for driving while black


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Reply the astonishing scale of traffic stops which Castile had been subject to, 31 stops (Original post)
Liberal_in_LA Jul 2016 OP
malaise Jul 2016 #1
Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #17
MisterFred Jul 2016 #28
Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #41
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #40
Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #42
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #44
Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #47
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #49
Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #50
citood Jul 2016 #53
Recursion Jul 2016 #61
Corporate666 Jul 2016 #62
Recursion Jul 2016 #65
Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #66
Recursion Jul 2016 #71
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #84
lostnfound Jul 2016 #63
tblue37 Jul 2016 #32
Igel Jul 2016 #59
malaise Jul 2016 #60
metroins Jul 2016 #2
Sanity Claws Jul 2016 #3
metroins Jul 2016 #5
tblue37 Jul 2016 #31
uponit7771 Jul 2016 #45
tblue37 Jul 2016 #51
SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #6
bigwillq Jul 2016 #7
JTFrog Jul 2016 #68
whistler162 Jul 2016 #27
geardaddy Jul 2016 #9
maxsolomon Jul 2016 #12
geardaddy Jul 2016 #13
maxsolomon Jul 2016 #14
geardaddy Jul 2016 #16
StoneCarver Jul 2016 #23
geardaddy Jul 2016 #38
etherealtruth Jul 2016 #39
geardaddy Jul 2016 #52
Thor_MN Jul 2016 #55
Scruffy1 Jul 2016 #82
SusanLarson Jul 2016 #34
tblue37 Jul 2016 #35
bigwillq Jul 2016 #4
Rex Jul 2016 #8
passiveporcupine Jul 2016 #19
Rex Jul 2016 #20
passiveporcupine Jul 2016 #22
vanlassie Jul 2016 #33
gollygee Jul 2016 #10
metroins Jul 2016 #24
gollygee Jul 2016 #25
metroins Jul 2016 #26
etherealtruth Jul 2016 #72
metroins Jul 2016 #73
etherealtruth Jul 2016 #74
metroins Jul 2016 #75
etherealtruth Jul 2016 #77
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #43
etherealtruth Jul 2016 #78
JTFrog Jul 2016 #70
Vattel Jul 2016 #83
geek tragedy Jul 2016 #11
geardaddy Jul 2016 #15
geek tragedy Jul 2016 #18
geardaddy Jul 2016 #37
dembotoz Jul 2016 #21
MisterFred Jul 2016 #30
tblue37 Jul 2016 #29
Igel Jul 2016 #64
gwheezie Jul 2016 #36
Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #48
uponit7771 Jul 2016 #54
gwheezie Jul 2016 #57
uponit7771 Jul 2016 #46
IL Lib Jul 2016 #56
bigwillq Jul 2016 #58
IL Lib Jul 2016 #81
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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:47 PM

1. No wonder she was recording this

Bangs head on wall

If you stop me 31 times to harass me, am I a citizen?

Good fuggin' grief what did we do to white people? What the fuck did we do - wait we were dragged over in slave ships.

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:04 PM

17. Depends

 

I coun't 19 times he was driving without a license. Thats not harassment, that is enforcement. Although once it happens that many times, they should impound the car so he can't drive anymore.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:11 PM

28. No.

No one gets stopped 19 (+) times unless they're a terrible driver or its DWB. How many times have you been pulled over by the cops?

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Response to MisterFred (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:45 PM

41. If your liscense is expired it will come up on their computer

 

So I drive by my plate is scanned and nothing. Somebody else drives by his plate is scannerd at it beeps. Of course he is going to get pulled over more than me.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:45 PM

40. Question: How would an Officer know he was driving without a license ...

 

until the Officer stopped him?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:46 PM

42. liscense plate scanner

 

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #42)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:55 PM

44. Why would the Officer scan the license ... Do you think they scan all licenses or even at random? ..

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #44)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:01 PM

47. Some departments scan every liscense plate

 

Its an automated system, as they are driving it scans the plate, and will tell you if the person has an active warrant, or plate license is suspended.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:20 PM

53. IIRC Dylan Roof was nabbed by one of these plate scanners

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #44)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:53 AM

61. In a picture of dystopian equality, some departments have automatic scanners at stoplights

Not even in patrol cars: the same cameras that automatically ticket people who run red lights also do optical character recognition on license plates, run for warrants/revoked DLs, etc., and alert any nearby patrol cars.

This obviously isn't what happened to Mr. Castile, of course; I bring it up because it argues for your point: the towns that have done this have been getting a lot of pushback because white drivers now get pulled over a lot more.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #44)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:54 AM

62. What do you think cops are doing when they sit at the side of the road?

I got pulled over and ticketed once for having an expired license - I had no idea it was expired. The officer said he was running plates of cars that went by, mine came up that the registered owner had an expired license, so he took a chance and got lucky.

It has nothing to do with black or white.

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Response to Corporate666 (Reply #62)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:03 AM

65. Oh, it has a lot to do with black or white

As in, I've been pulled over with an expired license, given a warning and a pat on the head, and sent on my way to "take care of it as soon as possible". I doubt the officer even wrote down the interaction, and probably congratulated himself for good community relations that day.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #65)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:21 AM

66. expired and suspended are two very different things

 

The cop did do a good job. You didn't know it was expired, and you got it renewed. If you license was suspended, you likely would have got a ticket.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #66)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:44 AM

71. My license was actually *revoked*, but I told him it was "expired", and showed him my passport

He obviously believed me and didn't even run it, because I should have gone to jail or at least had the car towed.

So, yeah, my point stands.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:58 AM

63. If we want change, we need to address this:

(John Oliver segment on municipal fines destroying people's lives)
http://time.com/3754023/john-oliver-municipal-violations/

To make the penalty more fair, make license fees and fines proportional to INCOME, or make penalties and punishment consist of hours or days in jail..

Problem in part is that our society is so unequal that it's easy for many people to be devastated by fines that wealthier people don't blink an eye at.

Being white, disorganized, and busy, I drove for a year with an expired out-of-state plate before I got pulled over. I certainly never would have worried about a fine -- or about getting shot by the police.

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:17 PM

32. She started the recording after he was shot, because he was shot. nt

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:48 AM

59. Oddly, the 31 times he was pulled over include parking violations.

Including a snow emergency parking violation.

I've never once been pulled over by cops while both driving along and being improperly parked simultaneously.

(Then the question is, is leaving your vehicle improperly parked DWB? How would they know he was black if he's not in the vehicle?)

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Response to Igel (Reply #59)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:51 AM

60. It's crazy

It has to stop

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:49 PM

2. But he was driving

On a revoked license and without insurance most of the time.

I don't know how those are driving while black...that's driving illegally.

His death seems to have occurred because of race.

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Response to metroins (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:55 PM

3. But why was he pulled over?

The last time was for a broken tail light.
Most times, officers don't bother pulling someone over for that.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:07 PM

5. I don't agree

Usually when I get pulled over, it's speeding or one of my lights have been out....and the light went out that day (twice).

But I didn't get a ticket...so the convictions seem racially motivated but I do want police pulling over people without insurance or revoked licenses (insurance won't cover if revoked). I don't want them hitting me and dealing with subrogation.

Most of those tickets are common sense things he wouldn't have gotten and most of the country understands those easy rules.

But again, his death is nuts, I'm just talking about getting tickets, his death seems completely racial quick trigger pulling.

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Response to metroins (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:16 PM

31. But it turns out that his light was not broken and not out. It was just a fake excuse for

pulling over a POC in hopes of nailing him for something else.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:56 PM

45. fuckin wow, I've never read that... so the fuckin cop... fuckin wow... man died due to a lie

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:10 PM

51. As Tom Jones was wont to sing, "It's not unusual. . . ."

ON EDIT:

A video capture of the car taken from behind and later posted on social media showed both lights were intact and on at the time, and the woman, Diamond Reynolds, who videotaped her fiance's death also said it turned out the light was fine.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:08 PM

6. I'm guessing it depends on where you live

Happens fairly frequently where I am (NOVA).

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:13 PM

7. It's a reason to get pulled over

 

Seen it happen a lot in CT.

COPS are always looking for a reason to pull one over, at least from my experience.

Once they have a reason, that's when they usually find something else to charge one with.

I'm always checking to see if I have a light out.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:28 AM

68. Except the light wasn't out. nt

 

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:00 PM

27. One of the last time I had a dead tailight

 

I was pulled over twice on the way home. Different departments.

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Response to metroins (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:43 PM

9. I live in Minneapolis proper and I have never, NEVER seen anyone pulled over for a broken tail light

Falcon Heights is a suburb of St. Paul and I frequently see people pulled over for one thing or another.

It's a revenue stream for a tiny suburb. I haven't been in Falcon Heights enough to see what the race of the drivers have been, but I'm guessing that the majority pulled over are PoC.

That cop should never have been on the force. He needs to be indicted.

eta: I agree his death is all because of race.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:53 PM

12. does FH have its own police force?

I thought I read that the MPD covered them...

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:58 PM

13. Yes, FH has their own PD. If you read that MPD covered FH, it was crappy reporting.

All suburbs in the area have their own police force. If they don't they would be covered by the county sheriff.

If one of the Twin Cities were to cover FH, it would be St. Paul because FH is in Ramsey County, as is St. Paul. Minneapolis is on the other side of the Mississippi and in Hennepin County.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:00 PM

14. okey doke

That seemed likely to me given the BS stop and itchy trigger finger.

I did hear someone on NPR yesterday saying consolidation of police forces (he said there were 18K separate forces in the USA) was needed to provide better training and supervision.

Podunk forces that rely on speed traps/harassment for revenue should be the 1st to go.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:02 PM

16. Agreed. I don't trust suburban cops.

To be fair, I don't really trust MPD either.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:51 PM

23. Stop this nonsense!

 

I live 10 blocks form where this happened in Roseville. Falcon Heights DOES NOT HAVE their own police force, they contract with St Anthony. They used to contract with Roseville, but St Anthony was cheaper. Go figure.
This is the suburbs and stuff like this does not usually happen. Let's all wait until the investigation is done.
In my view this should have never happened. I'm tired of the POC bs too. The policeman who pulled the trigger was Hispanic, a person of color. I'm pissed too, but wait until the investigations done. Then get pissed and motivated with facts. Otherwise we're just a lynch mob and shame on us.
Stonecarver

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Response to StoneCarver (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:35 PM

38. My mistake. I went to the st Paul campus and I thought I saw cop cars with Falcon Heights on the sid

Sorry

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Response to StoneCarver (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:39 PM

39. Could you clarify what you mean by "POC bs"?

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #39)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:52 PM

52. +1

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:24 PM

55. Falcon Heights contracts with St. Anthony for police coverage.

 

That's why the officer was with the St. Anthony PD.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 10, 2016, 07:06 AM

82. Saint Anthony PD actually polices Falcon Heights.

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Response to metroins (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:20 PM

34. White privilege is nice

 

I wonder why when you take someone who is already poor and hit them with dis-proportionally high fines and they can't afford to pay the ticket because you know you gotta feed your kids and wife, then their license gets suspended, and they have to let their insurance lapse since they can't afford it since they are now trying to just stay out of jail. They gotta work to pay the tickets so they continue to drive so they don't lose their job.

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Response to metroins (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:22 PM

35. But here is an all too common scenario:

He might have ended up with hundreds or thousands of dollars in tickets and fines that he couldn't afford to pay, and the initial ones might well have been racked up on spurious charges because he had been pulled over for DWB and that cop needed to come up with something. Then being unable to come up with the money to pay off his fines would lead to a revocation of his license, which would leave him without insurance, too. Don't forget, fines are the main revenue source for a lot of small towns, and cops are pressured to give out a lot of tickets--i.e., illegal ticket quotas.

This is what was found in Ferguson, MO, when the DOJ investigated them.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:04 PM

4. I'm in double digits

 

As far as stops

And the cost of tickets and two driver retraining courses is into the thousands of dollars.

Although I don't think it has anything to do with my race (I am white, although I consider myself to be Italian-American, for the record) rather that I drive like a freaking nutball.

But I do think there is a problem with officers stopping non-whites at high rates. Statistics support this.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:17 PM

8. This imo explains why she was so calm and rational - this was repeated abuse by cops.

 

She had become accustomed to it. This explains a lot.

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Response to Rex (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:20 PM

19. Not only that, but

I think she thought he was just shot in the arm. She didn't realize the bullets had penetrated his chest and he was dying...until he actually died in front of her.

Didn't the cop shoot four times? Four times in the arm, or in his chest?

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:22 PM

20. I don't know, that is a good question. Did he get shot once in the arm or four times?

 

I'm not sure. I just respect her ability to keep her composure, she had her 5 year old daughter to think about as well. What I do know is that the cop kept pointing his weapon at the car - so her calmness probably save her life and her daughters.

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Response to Rex (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:39 PM

22. Yeah, glad I was never a Mom

I would have been a screaming meemie at that point.

Or maybe she was in shock. Sometimes in the shock of an extreme event, you can hold it together a little, then when something changes, you just lose it.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:18 PM

33. She did lose it, and her little girl tried to comfort her. It was heartbreaking.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:48 PM

10. I am in my mid-40s and I have been pulled over one time.

One time since I started driving at 16. It was late and I forgot to turn on my headlights.

The police officer told me to turn them on and have a nice night, and then left. No ticket or anything.

It's totally ridiculous to get pulled over so often. They're hoping to find an excuse to give a fine or something. It's a form of harassment for sure.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:53 PM

24. Do you drive

Without insurance?
On a revoked license?
With broken taillights?

I don't and I don't get pulled over.

I have been pulled over for speeding and my headlight bulb burned out. I'm not sure if that counts as broken light.

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Response to metroins (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:55 PM

25. I've driving with a broken tail light without being pulled over.

And they wouldn't know about the other stuff until they actually did pull me over, so those aren't reasons for being pulled over. They're problems that are found after someone is pulled over for some other reason.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #25)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:58 PM

26. I'm pretty sure

They can scan license plates now that check for insurance and driver information, but I think that depends on the state.

Maryland has something called an FR19 system that notifies your registration if there's no insurance and I think the fine is $7/day.

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Response to metroins (Reply #26)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:09 AM

72. I am quite sure that they can discern NO driver information from license plates

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #72)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:14 AM

73. You're wrong.

Pulls up registration, can tell if car is insured and owner information.

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Response to metroins (Reply #73)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:25 AM

74. Again, you are quite incorrect about driver information

... and from what i can see you are incorrect about Minnesota police being able to verify insurance from running vehicle plates/ registration. The following may have changed but I can find no information indicating this has changed in Minnesota.


http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-lawmakers-target-uninsured-drivers/285572331/


Is it your contention that only the registered owner of a vehicle may drive the vehicle? That would be an astoundingly ignorant contention.

Again, THERE IS NO WAY TO DISCERN ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE DRIVER OF A VEHICLE BY "RUNNING THE PLATES"

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #74)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:27 AM

75. Again, not true

You can see the vehicles owner and look them up. And many of h his tickets were for uninsured which in many states can be seen via registration.

But honestly, the local police knew the car. If you live somewhere long enough, they know you.

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Response to metroins (Reply #75)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:41 AM

77. My gosh .... i can't believe you are sticking with this ....

Last edited Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:53 AM - Edit history (1)

It defies reason.


To assert that a DRIVER of a vehicle can be identified by licence plates and registration truly defies common sense and reason.

Using your logic I am currently driving my car, despite the fact that my son is currently on the way to the store driving my car... there is no way to identify the driver of a vehicle via license plates.

I offered information (with a link) indicating it is not possible for police in Minnesota to discern whether or not a car was insured .... you offered nothing but your opinion .... do you have verifiable information that the information at my link is no longer true?


edit to add: more current link indicating Mn law enforcemnt can't verify insurance from license scan http://www.startribune.com/new-minnesota-laws-affect-drivers-tobacco-users-pot-patients/363966881/

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Response to metroins (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:51 PM

43. Question: How would a police officer know ...

 

a driver was driving without insurance or on a revoked license ... until they stopped the driver?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #43)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:04 AM

78. I think its pretty obvious (as implied by the poster) ....

The police have powers of divination ... which would be the only way they could identify the driver


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Response to metroins (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:32 AM

70. As has been pointed out, the broken light was a lie. nt

 

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Response to gollygee (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 10, 2016, 07:16 AM

83. wow, you are lucky. I have been pulled over for fake reasons many times.

 

The funniest was for a parking tag hanging from my rearview mirror. When I asked if I should remove it, the officer said not to bother because no one would give me a ticket for having it there.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:52 PM

11. cops from the northern suburbs bordering the city of Minneapolis are notoriously racist

 

they act as a de facto border patrol and view anyone coming from North Minneapolis (highly African-American) as intruders.

My brother knew cops from Golden Valley who would refer to such stops as "pulling over a load of coal."

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:01 PM

15. Just to clear Falcon Heights is a suburb of St. Paul

not Minneapolis, but yes, suburban cops in both of the Twin Cities are notoriously racist in my experience.

Plus, MPD over north is dangerous.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:09 PM

18. yes, correct. for some reason got it mixed up with Columbia Heights nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:33 PM

37. Understandable

Columbia Heights is notoriously bad as far as cops go

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:28 PM

21. we live in a upper middle class white area...my wife had this old beat up minivan....

seems that quite a few times with my youngest son would drive it he would be pulled over for tail lights or what ever....
so he would take the van home and i would take it to the cop shop and the tail light was alway working.....so the warning ticket would be dismissed.....
i understand driving while black but my son showed me all about driving while being young and looking poor.

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:16 PM

30. Cops followed me for five minutes for driving while poor once.

Then circled a residential neighborhood three times so they could keep driving past me once I parked on a random side street and sat in my car waiting for them to go away. They looked angrier each time they circled and saw me still sitting in my car, watching them. But they apparently they had enough "integrity" to not pull me over without something they could cite me for.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:11 PM

29. His tail light was not out this time, but that was the excuse the cop gave for

pulling him over. Obviously he was profiled and pulled over just for DWB.

But since any interaction with the cops can go bad at any time, and especially since for even the most innocent black person it is many times more likely that the interaction will lead to a brutal beating, a slew of unjustified charges, jail, a police record,[font color = "red"][font size = "+1"]*[/font][/font] ever-increasing fines, penalties, and court charges--quite possibly death--every unjustified pull-over of a profiled black person by a cop is like playing Russian roulette with that person's life!
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[font color = "red"][font size = "+1"]*[/font][/font]Notice that whenever a cop murders an innocent POC, the PD and the complicit media rush to point out that the victim "had a record," but that record is often just a consequence of having spent so many years being harassed and profiled and then slammed with charges and forced to plea deal to avoid long prison terms.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:01 AM

64. So here's where that's at.

There's a witness who said that the taillights were both working.

But the one side was covered with tape. Red tape, I believe.

We have another source saying that the one wasn't working.

So what's up? One's obviously lying, right? And if a disagreement between a blue and an anonymous person, the blue has to be lying. Because blues always lie, can't trust them.

Then again, it was daylight. I know my taillight isn't routinely on during the day.

My taillight is on when I brake. But when I put the car in park I take my foot off the break.

That means if the cop is telling the truth, either we're talking brake light or turn signal. Now, perhaps Castile kept his foot on the brake. It's possible that the witness did see the brake lights on. But if the witness said both were on, that rules out turn signal.

Or perhaps it was the turn signal light. I could all either of them "taillight" because in a sense they are. Now, how many lights that car has, I don't know. But the fact that it had tape over it meant that something had happened.

Can we rule out the options that may make both true in order to say one was wrong, or do we just jump to conclusions on the basis of cloth color? Because you know if somebody goes and checks the car and that taillight isn't working, it won't be because it wasn't working at the time but because somebody rigged it. ("Rig" might be the word of the year.)

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:30 PM

36. I'm white they don't even ask for my license

I've been pulled over for lights and told ma'am your brake light is out without even asking for ID

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:04 PM

48. It also helps that its not suspended

 

If your liscense was suspended, and they pull you over and run your plates, I bet they would ask to see your license. Perhaps you are borrowing the car, that is fine, then you will be on your way. If your license is suspended, I'm willing to bet you would get a ticket.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #48)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:23 PM

54. Specious position seeing they don't know its suspended till they pull him over. The REASONS he's...

... pulled over in the first place is the salient issue here and its NOT because they "know" he's driving on suspended.

I was pulled over 23 times in KC metro... NEVER was driving with a suspended license, I'm black though and the cops there are almost as bad as Ferguson.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #54)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:54 AM

57. I used to live in kcmo

I have run up on some stupid cops in that city.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:58 PM

46. I was pulled over 23 times in the KC Metro area, one time the cop said my rims "look nice". It was..

... the 20th time I was pulled over that my wife started balling and crying seeing she didn't grow up around that kind of environment.

She was afraid for my life knowing the cop gave a bullshit answer to why I was pulled over...

The cops face grew bright red...

This was KC Metro, the west side of the Show Me... aka...west Ferguson

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:07 AM

56. DWB is very real

I have been pulled over for having an air freshener tree hanging from my rear view mirror. I think it is a law on the books in Illinois, but I have asked some white people I know if they've ever had that happen, and all have said no.

When you're black you know what time it is when you have encounters with the police. Those that engage in this type of behavior view us all as criminals, and they often expect to find that the driver has outstanding warrants. Haven't had as many encounters in my 30's and 40's.

I've only had 2 or 3 positive traffic experiences with the police as far as professionalism is concerned.

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Response to IL Lib (Reply #56)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:30 AM

58. The Air freshener pull over happened to me, and also to a friend. We are both white.

 

We both Got ticketed for it. We live in CT.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #58)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:52 PM

81. Have you ever been stopped for having a licensed applied for sticker in the window of a new car?

I was also stopped for having 3 friends in the car. I told them I wouldn't allow them to search my car. The officer asked why if I didn't have anything to hide? He was black, also, but was teamed with white officers. The question was stupid. Why should I be inconvenienced because I was in a new car that apparently they thought I shouldn't have been driving?

I was a passenger during another stop where a cousin was stopped for an fraternity plate on the front of his car. Again, technically you have to have both plates in Illinois, but the point is that POC get stopped for these minor infractions more than Caucasians. The LEO was Hispanic. Probably in his thirties at the time. We ended up having a conversation with him, and I told him that he wouldn't have stopped any white people for that same infraction. He was honest and actually agreed. In fact, there were many white people driving by with no plate at all on the front of their cars during our stop.

POC are profiled by LEO of ALL races. It's something I'm aware of on a daily basis. It's truly a problem, and we have seen the effect unnecessary contact with POC and LEO can lead to.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:24 AM

67. The Daily Mail is a right-wing British tabloid

 

They frequently take other people's reporting and package it together like this without attribution.

Also, if a person continuously drives with expired registration and no insurance they will probably get pulled over.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:28 AM

69. I witnessed an intoxicated driver being pulled over...

She was white,blonde, she was the driver....her passenger was black, male - he was hauled out of the car, dragged on the ground by officers
officers called a taxi for the driver, and she was allowed to go home,and not detained...her passenger was hog tied into the back of a cruiser..

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:36 AM

76. Blue lives matter claims

 

Castile wasnt being stopped for a tail logjt but because of an armed robbery.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:05 AM

79. Ironically I was stopped last night

I'm a white female. The officer pulled me over at about 1am to let me know my 3rd brake light was out. He didn't pull a gun out like what happened to Castille
When I was poor I drove illegally for years. I couldn't afford to drive legal. I never got stopped.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:28 AM

80. WCCO (CBS Minnesota) Reports Castile was stopped 52 times

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/09/philando-stops/

Clearly a dangerous career criminal who had to be stopped.

I'm a white, middle-aged male who drives a battered old light truck. I admit I speed regularly, though I do my best to be a safe driver. I've never deliberately run a red light but it has happened a couple times when I screwed up or wasn't paying quite enough attention. I've been pulled over a few times, but never had more than a warning ticket.

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