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Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:14 PM

As a 67 year old white man, let me address this to my fellow Caucasians:

you cannot both remain silent about institutional racism AND call yourself a person of integrity.

As a much wiser man once said: “History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.”---Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

No demographic has a monopoly on either good or evil. No race is free of its haters, but none is without its saints.

Again, from Dr. King: “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”

Think about it---hard---, OK?

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Reply As a 67 year old white man, let me address this to my fellow Caucasians: (Original post)
Atticus Jul 2016 OP
Brickbat Jul 2016 #1
R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #2
babylonsister Jul 2016 #20
R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #36
Doctor_J Jul 2016 #82
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #3
Squinch Jul 2016 #11
840high Jul 2016 #4
Atticus Jul 2016 #8
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #14
840high Jul 2016 #29
alfredo Jul 2016 #35
R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #37
zentrum Jul 2016 #19
babylonsister Jul 2016 #21
zentrum Jul 2016 #24
babylonsister Jul 2016 #25
Protalker Jul 2016 #54
Marthe48 Jul 2016 #33
Chemisse Jul 2016 #55
spooky3 Jul 2016 #58
seabeyond Jul 2016 #60
Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #38
enough Jul 2016 #5
Atticus Jul 2016 #10
Squinch Jul 2016 #12
safeinOhio Jul 2016 #6
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #17
melman Jul 2016 #30
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #32
athena Jul 2016 #71
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #85
athena Jul 2016 #87
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #89
seabeyond Jul 2016 #45
etherealtruth Jul 2016 #49
seabeyond Jul 2016 #52
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #86
seabeyond Jul 2016 #88
AllyCat Jul 2016 #44
Marengo Jul 2016 #53
puffy socks Jul 2016 #57
Marengo Jul 2016 #68
puffy socks Jul 2016 #69
JI7 Jul 2016 #18
seabeyond Jul 2016 #46
zentrum Jul 2016 #23
dpatbrown Jul 2016 #83
Marthe48 Jul 2016 #84
seabeyond Jul 2016 #7
Atticus Jul 2016 #15
seabeyond Jul 2016 #22
GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #31
seabeyond Jul 2016 #47
tblue37 Jul 2016 #39
BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #40
seabeyond Jul 2016 #48
BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #50
seabeyond Jul 2016 #51
tblue37 Jul 2016 #72
tblue37 Jul 2016 #73
BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #77
tblue37 Jul 2016 #78
BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #80
tblue37 Jul 2016 #74
BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #79
etherealtruth Jul 2016 #9
Rex Jul 2016 #13
Squinch Jul 2016 #16
TryLogic Jul 2016 #59
seabeyond Jul 2016 #61
Squinch Jul 2016 #67
raven mad Jul 2016 #26
elias7 Jul 2016 #27
Joe Chi Minh Jul 2016 #42
elias7 Jul 2016 #62
Ken Burch Jul 2016 #28
creoledna Jul 2016 #34
lupinella Jul 2016 #41
MarianJack Jul 2016 #43
Chemisse Jul 2016 #56
seabeyond Jul 2016 #63
Chemisse Jul 2016 #64
seabeyond Jul 2016 #65
smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #66
WIProgressive88 Jul 2016 #70
lunatica Jul 2016 #75
RiverNoord Jul 2016 #76
Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #81

Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:17 PM

1. Very true.

That's what I was trying to get at with my thread, which I will shamelessly link here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027985611

There are many things people with white privilege must do to dismantle institutional racism. Fortunately, because many of us here are white and of a class that we have access to computers, we can write the pointed letters, do the research, communicate with on-the-fence thinkers or people who are outright opposed to such things, and do the incremental, painfully slow, boring work that those with privilege can do to make change.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:17 PM

2. Who says that we are?

 

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:20 PM

20. No one was accused of anything. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:55 PM

36. ...

 

you cannot both remain silent about institutional racism AND call yourself a person of integrity.


Sounds like something is going on...

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #36)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 04:00 PM

82. I wonder whom atticus believes he/she is lecturing, here at du

 

And what his/her point has to do with Dallas.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:24 PM

3. Wait ... a Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. quote used in its proper context? ...

 

I'm going to need a minute.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:51 PM

11. LOL! Right?

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:29 PM

4. Why would you think we are silent?

 

Far from it.

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Response to 840high (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:43 PM

8. As this is the 2nd "Who, me?" reply, I guess I'll respond.

I never said "we" were all silent. But, some of "us" are paying lip service to full racial equality as an ideal and a goal while denying our white privilege and expecting congratulations for our "enlightened" attitude. I'm simply saying, don't talk the talk on the internet unless you are walking the walk in your daily interaction with your social group. If you are already doing what's right, wonderful. But, not all of "us" are and it is time for that shit to stop.

Hope that clears things up.

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Response to Atticus (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:57 PM

14. +1 ...

 

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Response to Atticus (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:18 PM

29. I did and do more than

 

talk on the internet. I'm 77 and have marched. I'm also good at shutting down prejudice.

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Response to Atticus (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:08 PM

35. Being "good Germans"

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Response to Atticus (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:11 PM

37. It doesn't clear anything.

 

Who are these "some" that you speak of: DUers, Faux News watchers, NRA supporters?

Nobody in their right mind feels anything but sick on what has happened inthe past few days...or with gun violence in general...or police preying on POC.

Ah, but yes we do have to have the knee-jerk "white privilege" posts.

Carry on.

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Response to 840high (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:19 PM

19. When was the last time you heard or saw

…a loud demonstration organized by White people to demand reparations?

Or even truth and reconciliation trials?

Or restorative justice?

Or demand there be a rewrite of all the textbooks to tell the damn truth for once about what and who built this country since 1619 when the Pilgrims first landed?

Showing up at marches etc. in support of Black civil rights and all the rest of it, is not enough. I speak as a White woman. White people have a lot of work to do to begin to address the truth and effects of on-going systemic racism in this country.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:24 PM

21. Word! The textbooks disturb me;

we're teaching untruths to susceptible minds who will carry what they learn through the rest of their lives. We must do better.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:42 PM

24. The lies we were

…..told and still are being told about our history are horrifying.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:52 PM

25. Yea, but

I feel grateful I had a fairly decent education in a -gasp- public school. And I'm old enough now to call out the lies I see if I feel so inclined. And I do. That's why I think early ed and truth are so crucial. And why those idiotic textbooks being allowed is the current culture in some states. People are apathetic and some probably would prefer the untruths; some are just worried about surviving.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #21)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:48 AM

54. Texas Text Book review board

All major publishing houses of text books have to be cleared by this ultra conservative rewrite of history.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:48 PM

33. Hosted a Spanish boy in 1998

He took American history which was one of his favorite subjects. He said it was all different from Spanish history. I always help the students we host if they ask, so I said, 'It's the same history, isn't it?' and he said, ' Yes, but in the Spanish textbooks, we are heroes.' Quite an eye-opener, that I never forgot.

And in the same vein, we visited Brazil to see a student we hosted. We got to walk through a governor's winter palace, and I was knocked sideways by the art hanging on the walls--all South American artists I had never heard of. So I understood Eurocentric.

Every single time I meet students from other countries, I learn something that opens my eyes and stretches my mind. I am also lucky to meet local students who befriend the exchange students and they make me hopeful, that there are families who accept different people and cultures and value human life in an individual way.

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #33)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:55 AM

55. A visit to a museum in Canada revealed the same thing to me.

The history on display was from a totally different perspective. That was decades ago and I've never forgotten it. That kind of thing stretches the mind.

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #33)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:23 AM

58. This is great. I really think many people's perspectives

Would change if they postponed buying new cars, clothes, Starbucks coffees, etc., and traveled outside the US instead.

I'm of course talking about the RWers who can afford this, of course.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #58)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:02 AM

60. I was always very cheap. A shirt had to be around or under 10, shoes under 20. lol. I am a believer

 

in wearing clothes out. My oldest at 21 has taken it a step further. Stupidest damn decision to spend on a new car. Cars do not identify us. Which is challenging because I have always done new cars for my reason, and as a woman on the road by myself, a lot, for a lifetime. Or 16.

He takes his used clothes, that he treats very well, to sell, then picks something up at the place, for ten. Like these FABULOUS pair of European jeans. Wow, he is a different child, but yes... Point.

I am seeing more kids, my kids ages 18-23, see money and things differently. My boys would get scared looking into the future. They still do. But... I always told them, their generation is walking into this and can see clearly. You all are brilliant. You will figure it out, I have confidence. Lots of awareness out there, lots of fear, too.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:16 PM

38. I agree with Bernie Sanders' stance on reparations.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:34 PM

5. You assume people here are and have been silent?

Think about it---hard---, OK?

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Response to enough (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:49 PM

10. (facepalm)---See # 8 above, please. I assumed nothing. nt

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Response to Atticus (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:52 PM

12. Yep. It's the "Not all" monster.

For what it's worth, this Caucasian woman is with you.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:35 PM

6. Here is what us 67 year old White men can do.

Join and donate to the NAACP, SPLC and the ACLU. Speak up in public, Church and where ever it needs to be done.

I'm one also.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:04 PM

17. I support ...

 

donat(ing) to the NAACP, and joining and donating to the SPLC and the ACLU. Speak up in public, Church and where ever it needs to be done.


But hesitate on the joining the NAACP suggestion, unless that person has thoroughly disabused him/herself of the notion that join means "gives equivalence of opinion on racial issues" or "the right to be heard."

Just saying ... that "How to be an ally" thing.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:21 PM

30. So

 

People need to speak up but also remember they have no right to be heard. lol

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Response to melman (Reply #30)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:27 PM

32. If what I wrote means that to you ... Yes.

 

I suspect you are exactly the type of person I am speaking of.

I think it would be better for all involved if you donate; but, not join.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #32)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:34 AM

71. I'm not sure why you think joining means anything other than joining.

I think that a white person joining the NAACP shows that some of us believe the goals of the NAACP are good for all of us. It shows solidarity. I've been a white member of the NAACP for years and would never say that I know as much about racism as a Black person.

Moreover, joining means paying a nominal amount each year for membership. For those of us who don't have a ton of money to donate, being a member ensures that one donates at least that nominal amount each year.

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Response to athena (Reply #71)

Sun Jul 10, 2016, 07:34 AM

85. Because I am an African-American, who had been involved with ...

 

Civil Rights activism my entire adult life ... and have experienced white people that have said that they knew as much, if not more, about racism as a Black person, and felt their membership entitled them to not only be heard; but, followed. (See: some of the posts in this sub-thread, and just about any decision about being an ally to African-Americans).

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #85)

Sun Jul 10, 2016, 09:04 AM

87. That's interesting.

I can imagine that the type of white person who thinks he knows more about racism than a black person would be attracted to membership in the NAACP and be particularly outspoken as a member. It's amazing that such people don't realize that their attitude is not only stupid but also racist.

But there have got to be many others who join the NAACP because they want to do something to help end racism, and being a member symbolizes the idea of unity and solidarity. I do think that movements are more successful when more people feel engaged and involved. As Ben Jealous said, Black people can't end racism all by themselves; if they could, they would have done it already. It's only when white people as a group decide they want to end racism that racism will be history. That's not to say that white people should have leadership roles, but white people should not be discouraged from being part of the movement.

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Response to athena (Reply #87)

Sun Jul 10, 2016, 09:47 AM

89. Oh, absolutely ... The vast majority of whites that join organizations like the NAACP ...

 

are true allies seeking solidarity. But, too many come in wanting to teach and inform and direct. We see it all the time on DU in our discussions.

I could give a perfect example; but, I would be accused of fighting the primary war over, again.

I am not attempting to discourage white participation ... only a bit of self-awareness.

I

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Response to melman (Reply #30)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:55 AM

45. It does. It means standing behind in support, while the one with the experience speaks.

 

Yes. I am a strong believer.

It isn't your story to tell, it is the one experiencing. It is not yours to lead, it is the one experiencing. It is yours to be the support to voice.

I am a strong believer in that, yes.

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Response to melman (Reply #30)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:22 AM

49. It's sad that you took that from the other poster's post

Why would a white person believe that they could define a black person's experience with racism or believe their views would be equally as valid as those of a PoC experiencing racism.

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #49)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:35 AM

52. Men often want to take the leading role in Feminist org or voice. It is interesting. Nt

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #52)

Sun Jul 10, 2016, 07:41 AM

86. And I give the same caution to men with respect to Feminists ...

 

and/or woman issues ... our job in that association is to listen, learn and take the "women's voice" to men ... and fill whatever organizational SUPPORTIVE roles that fit our skill set.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #86)

Sun Jul 10, 2016, 09:13 AM

88. And since white listen to whites. And man listens to men. The HUGE gift being given to us...

 

And yes, it is a good role to have.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:48 AM

44. Another suggestion I read on FB (I know...), was apparently from a white man

The idea was for allies to pull over and stand with black motorists or pedestrians stopped or otherwise detained by the police. Admittedly, it seemed frightening to me and that made me feel that I should do it. Thoughts? Would that be helpful? I've read accounts of black citizens detained on the streets and having a passerby stop passing and stand with him or her, and that was what seemed to make the citizen able to continue on with the day instead of be brutalized or arrested.

It is frustrating that certain groups of people should need someone to do this. None of us should need to have an "escort" or "buddy" to get through our day. But if this would somehow show solidarity and start to turn the tide of murder, brutality, and injustice, I will do it.

Thanks for your opinion, 1SBM

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #44)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:44 AM

53. That assumes all stops/detentions are for the purpose of harassment.

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #53)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:08 AM

57. I don't think so.

 

Either way whomever is stopped has white witnesses and may cause an officer to think twice before resorting to excessive force or pulling their gun.

I'm not sure how that would work being that a lot of this occurs in predominantly AA communities. Not a lot of caucasians around.
If you stopped behind a vehicle pulled over on the highway I think you might get arrested for obstruction of justice or whatever they can pile on. It may escalate the situation and cause a pile on a charges to the AA driver youre trying to help.
And the fabricated charges and the fines alone can mess up a life pretty badly even if you're found innocent by the courts.


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Response to puffy socks (Reply #57)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:41 AM

68. Interfering with an unknown LE situation seems a bad idea

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #68)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:01 AM

69. Yeah. Its probably just asking for trouble and won't likely help. nt

 

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:08 PM

18. i think better is to talk to other white people about racism in their community

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Response to JI7 (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:57 AM

46. I agree. Peers listen to peers, not those on the outside. It is the Christians job to talk to

 

Christians. Men's job to talk to men. Whites job to talk to white. Republicans to speak within their group.

People look for validation with their peers.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:36 PM

23. And at school board meetings.

….to demand diversity on such boards. And to get truthful history textbooks.

And write and call your Mayor, City Council members, Congress member and Senator and demand they pro-actively address systemic racism with concrete and specific programs. What are they going to do starting immediately?

And call radio talk shows and demand they start talking about systemic racism and what it is and how it's used by the courts and economic powers that be.

And find out what's going on with the real estate practices in your town (if you live in a town). Find out who's being excluded and who's being helped, and expose it in Letters to the Editors.

There's a lot more to be done than just paying membership dues.




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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:29 PM

83. I agree,

 

but to add something I've been thinking about a lot.

There are many, many good cops, but they are doing more harm than ANYONE. They need to destroy the culture, and start identify all the bad cops. The good ones know, but they are allowing themselves (and profession) to be dragged through the gutter. Folks always tell the public how courageous cops are. They need to use some of that "courage" to stop the madness.

Their silence is reprehensible. And yet an honest effort would go along way
.

The good cops need to man up.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:04 PM

84. Walking into a store today

talking to my daughter about white privilege. We were having a spirited conversation, as she thinks white privilege is having automatic access to advantages, while I think white privilege is taking for granted that your children will come home every day, and not get shot or worse. As we walked and talked, passed several other shoppers, got a lot of glares too. Guess whatever we think white privilege is, some people don't want us opining in front of them. Too bad. Maybe we planted a seed.

Another story about meeting an exchange student: As an AFS voluntter, I met a girl from Ghana. The first time we went out, she complained that she could not find hair products. At that time, there was 1 black family in Washington Cty. and it wasn't her host family. I worked for a beauty college at the time, and knew some stores where she could get what she needed. Her problem made me realize how hard it can be to be a minority somewhere. I can get hair care products anywhere. What if I couldn't? It was a little thing, but helped me to understand bigger things.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:36 PM

7. I am a lowly receptionist, too old and two decades out of the work force, and need my job.

 

I am the only Democrat in a building of 20 and a group of 50.

I do not talk politics at work.

There was a group text and the cool "kid" (in his 30's) on the block texted "nigga that", in a confirmation message received.

One of the women was bothered and showed me the text, since I am not high enough to be in that group of 50, lol.

Later, I went to a hot tub, drinking gathering with my boss and a couple of the other women agents. I made a comment about that going out thru group and it was unprofessional and should not have happened.

I also texted to his boss's assistant. She knows it was wrong, and still... " Ya, he is the most laid back though, just who he is".

I got that from another agent at the hot tub, though all of them knows it was wrong. They started joking about how the young use slang.

This is a professional setting though, and didn't belong. Looking in my boss's eye. She knew it. And she knows she is in the position to say something.

She did.

Only for awareness, but it is so much a part of our white culture. It is important to draw lines. I often do not say anything. Even when an employee stated Obama prays to the wrong God.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:58 PM

15. I understand your situation and certainly find no fault with your actions.

You did what you could, given your position and the "powers that be". Some are not willing to speak up, not for fear of losing their job, but for fear of "causing a scene" or losing a "friend". That's the BS I'm addressing.

Thanks for your response.

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Response to Atticus (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:29 PM

22. I feel do feel I have to speak up. It is hard, never easy. Not for me. But, I do.

 

I really believe if I do not speak up, I am part of the problem. I have little wiggle room.

And it is not only racism.

Yes, people get tired of it. Yes, I have had people walk out of my life. It is what it is.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:27 PM

31. I often ask a question

The last time when one of my leaders was talking about whining black folks. I have an AA coworker whose demographic is about the same as mine; middle class raising, college Ed and a good job. His actually better than mine. But he, driving a nice car has been stopped but the police over 15 times in his life. Me, 4 times. 3 speeding and one running stop sign. And only 1 ticket!

So rather than disagree with my leader I just said yeah, but what about 'John' and explained about the different treatment he faces. My leader look surprised and just said "man, that sucks". So maybe it changed nothing, but hopefully it made him think.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #31)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:03 AM

47. Mostly it is while coddling ego, gently nudging to be heard. Sometimes it is a simple,

 

that is wrong.

I hear ya.

The internet has allowed people to feel their views are valid with finding support outside. Or maybe in the south (Texas) just enough people feel the same there is a validation outside of the net.

Being the sole person that sees things different though, just the difference in conversation affects the others around, and help them to think. Having a different view of the world. After less than a year, I see these people softening up to a different view.

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Response to Atticus (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:01 PM

39. I have a sneaky tactic. On the rare occasion someone dares to say something racist

in my presence, I look them hard in the eye and say, "I imagine you don't realize that I am black. A lot of us are have light skin because of mixed ancestry, you know."

I am not really black. I am actually a freckled redhead whose paternal grandparents came over from Sicily in the early 20th century, and I have Russian Jewish, Scottish, and Irish forebears on my mother's side. But since I carry pictures of my sister's two black kids in my wallet, I show them pictures of my niece and nephew and say, "Maybe you should be more careful about how you talk about other people." I also carry around pictures of two young adults who were in my home daycare throughout their childhood and still spend a lot of time with me, and I show such people those pictures, too. (They think of me as their other mother, so I don't feel it is entirely a lie to refer to them as members of my family.)

I get a big kick out of the mumbling embarrassment of the jerks who assume that they can safely make racist comments and jokes if they are in a lily white group.

I also like the idea of making them nervous about whether they might at any time be talking to an apparently white person who is actually a person of mixed race who happens to have light skin. That might teach them to refrain from making such comments in some situations. It won't make a difference around people they know well, but at least they might not be spreading their racist poison in groups of people they don't know as well.

I had a student in my class back in 1979 who was so pale skinned and light haired that he made Julian Assange's look like a brunette. But this young man's stepfather, who had been his father since he was about 6 months old, was black, and so were his 4 siblings. He told me once that when he hears someone being racist around him, he just pulls out his wallet and says, "I'd like to show you a picture of my family." He was delighted to discover that we were shutting down loudmouthed jerks in the same way.

Too many people, especially LEOs, still don't seem to realize that black people are not the "other"--they are us. They are our children, our friends, and our families. We feel no solidarity at all with white racists, and we are enraged at the racist police tactics that put our loved ones' lives at risk every time they dare to leave the house.

As a 65-year-old white woman I don't fear the police for myself, but I am always afraid for my relatives and my close friends who could at any time be targeted by the police.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #39)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 05:52 AM

40. "I imagine you don't realize that I am black."



And it's true. So many whites don't realize that the "color line" and defacto "1-drop" rule continues, even if subconsciously, and gets inextricably associated with race in the U.S. And that means that one might not know who or "what" they are talking to. And it shouldn't make any difference but once a race and/or ethnicity is "established" between parties, it suddenly changes perceptions and behaviors as the stereotypes or cultural foibles, suddenly kick in.

For example, yesterday I saw G.K. Butterfield giving a statement on the recent shootings of black men on behalf of the Congressional Black Caucus (which he heads this Congressional term). You look at this man and may blink....



Yet here are his parents (as posted on his Congressional website as part of his bio) -



As he was talking, there was no doubt of what he was, but this is the type of thing that one has to deal with in the U.S.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #40)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:13 AM

48. Doing family line my husband found that his aunt was registered mulatto in New Orleans

 

and was not allowed to go to college. That was back in late 40's, 50's. His father was 15 yrs younger than his sister so didnt know. His father had died when he was really young. Family secret. they have found a whole line of black family and has spent the last decade getting in touch. But it does make my very white and privileged boys what, three generations from their black blood.

They say that, they can argue with others they are black.

I tell them, do not dare, lol. Nothing like a privileged white boys taking the role of oppressed. It certainly is not their story to tell.

There was a video of a black woman whose sister having the same parents genetically got the very white genes. the black woman in the video talking about how there are times when it was her sisters role to address the prejudice of whites she saw committed to her black sister. It was a very touching, excellent video.

Love this woman. Found it.



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Response to seabeyond (Reply #48)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:30 AM

50. Someone posted that video on DU before

The hope is that her story would be eye-opening to folks at just what happens in real life.

Many black families are peopled with all shades and folks may be surprised that the "lightest" ones, who one would assume would enjoy a "higher status" in this society because of skin color, end up being the most radical, because they see and experience that disparate treatment up close and personal.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #50)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:34 AM

51. +1. Nt

 

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #40)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:28 PM

72. Quincy Jones' daughter Rashida is lighter than I am, because my Sicilian half

gives me a slightly darker complexion than most freckled redheads:

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #72)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:36 PM

73. BTW, my dad, first generation Sicilian-American, changed his VERY Italian first

and middle name from Salvatore Giovanni to Samuel John when he joined the Air Force because we were at war with Italy at the time, and he found out that he was treated better with that Anglo name. (Dad was a 19-year-old airman at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked.)

Dad had a dusky olive Italian complexion, and he got a lot of crap for it. Bigots will always find a reason to hate other people.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #73)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 02:33 PM

77. The Salvatores that I knew

always went by "Sal" or "Sonny". All sorts of immigrants from most areas of the world ended up having to "anglicize" their names coming here. I know several with the name "Hua" who became a "Helen".

My father, who was black, was often mistaken for Italian (he was swarthy, near white-skinned and had straight hair slicked back). He was a blond from infancy all the way until he was about 4 years old (he was born in 1924). My mother was brown and joked that dad would always tell her "the blacker the berry the sweeter the juice".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #77)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 02:36 PM

78. I have cousins named Salvatore who go by Sonny or Sal, but Dad went full Anglo on his name. My older

brother was named after Dad's father, but legally changed his name at age 18 from Pasquale to Pat. (It just made a lot of things easier.)

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #78)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 02:41 PM

80. I hear ya

although nowadays, those born here are insisting on keeping their given "ethnic" names for ancestral cultural reasons.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #40)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 12:43 PM

74. Did you ever see the movie "Too Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything--Julie Newmar"?

It has a kind of "I am Spartacus!" scene near the end. A corrupt cop is hunting a gay man in a little town, and everyone there says they are gay to protect the man.

If you haven't seen that film, you should. It is delightfgul.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #74)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 02:36 PM

79. I remember when that came out

when Wesley Snipes was flying high. I have to add it to my list of movies I need/want to see.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:47 PM

9. K&R

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:54 PM

13. Very true.

 

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:59 PM

16. One of my dearest friends is a black woman (yeah, I know how that sounds) who likes

to smack me in the head when things come up, and to tell me, "This one has to come from you," meaning that I, as the white person, have to speak up to the other white people.

She is always right, but the shocking thing to me is how often I don't see it till she says it. Over the years, I have gotten much better at seeing it, but I still miss some of them till she points them out to me.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:55 AM

59. I love this. Those on the receiving end of prejudice are the experts on prejudice.

And persons with the least power know much more about a relationship than those with the most power. Children are experts on adults. Most wealthy people know almost nothing about poor people. Women know a lot more about men than men know about women. (I am a retired man, but I was a marriage and family therapist.)

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #59)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:05 AM

61. Isn't that fascinating. And so true. Logical and reasonable. Kinda an obvious, lol

 

the way you state it. One up, women are raising these boys. We know boys. We start, well.... in conception. And for the rest of our fuckin' lives, lol.

Fun post.

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #59)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:39 AM

67. Awesome post. Something that I think I instinctively knew but never consciously looked at till

you said it.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:00 PM

26. I've never been known to be silent.

My mom wasn't either.

She raised me to believe that "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:12 PM

27. I don't think there is anyone on DU who would disagree or who needs prompting to do the right thing

You're preaching an excellent message, but to an activist group (which explains why you're getting more than a few slightly indignant replies).

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Response to elias7 (Reply #27)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:03 AM

42. I think you are very naive to think a political group as large as DU

wouldn't contain a significant number of people who would disagree or need prompting. My greatest reservations, in the absence of other information, would concern those very prima donnas, since there was nothing in the post to suggest that the OP was accusing EVERYONE.

And to fail to understand the validity of the point being made reflects very poorly on the awareness of the OP's petulant, myopically self-referential critics. Do they want a prize ?

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Response to Joe Chi Minh (Reply #42)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:14 AM

62. Perhaps I am naive

And most certainly myopic, but you do seem to have a disdain for many in this community that I would not be so quick as to underestimate. But you say it yourself - the OP does project an accusatory air, and directs it at his fellow Caucasians. Though a freshman may benefit from a sophomore's wisdom, a gentle chiding of the sophomore by upperclassmen may not mean what you think it means.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:13 PM

28. Absolutely. And I say that as a 55 year old white man.

 

We need to be united in this as Americans.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:07 PM

34. One small step for....

Convince yourself we are all equal and the rest will follow.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 05:59 AM

41. Perhaps I've missed something

from another thread, but I don't understand why there is any defensive reaction to this post.
No matter how progressive a person is, being reminded to 'do better' about issues in which we wield privilege is never bad.


There are always moments we can confront issues, whether it's pointing out the quantifiable differences in school discipline of white vs POC for the same infraction or explaining how the 'Southern Strategy' has led to voter disenfranchisement.

I'm mixed race, but appear white. My middle-aged white privilege doesn't just allow but demands that I do more than just condemn overt racism. In speaking to & acting on the issues surrounding the institutional racism on which our country was built I know that I receive a different response than my sister, who appeared mixed race, ever would.

As i once read (not certain where, so i cannot attribute) Ally-ship is a continuing journey, not a fixed point. It is also something that all of us can strive to do better.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 06:20 AM

43. This 61 year old white guy COMPLETELY agrees with what you say in this post!



PEACE!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 09:08 AM

56. Another 61-year-old agreeing.

There is so little we can do to change all of society and the massive energy of hatred and racism.

But the little things help. I never let a racist comment go by me without challenging it - anywhere - ever. I actively talk about racism on-line. I am a high school teacher, so feel I have a slight impact on the views of students through my words and actions.

I used to get involved in protests and marches, but not anymore. I thought about going to a BLM vigil being held tonight, but it's a 2-hour drive from me.

Such little things I do. But if many, many people do them as well, it could take the edge off the racism in this nation.

Any suggestions for what else a busy, low-energy, white woman can do?

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #56)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:15 AM

63. Every little bit helps. It is what creates a whole.

 

During the confederate flag thing, this a fav picture of mine,



A stupid ass 18 yr old white boy.... My boys age, drove up in a truck with Texas and confederate flag. Oh, the blood pressure went up instantly, my lips persed like an old woman, glaring at this boy.... my sons age. We are getting Sodas and finally, ... I just say, you are such an ass. Take my drink to the counter.

Oh, oh. There was a black woman checking out when he drove up.

A black man walked in after him, older.

My age.

I was so pissed, and this is my store, my very white neighborhood, my territory. The cashier knew what was coming and when I glanced at him, he was smiling and pretending to duck. The same age as my son.

It was hilarious, in my anger.

When I got to the counter he asked with a shit grin, if I was mad. I laid it out, for everyone to hear, turned to the black man and said, doesn't that piss you off?

The kid was humiliated. BUT.....

But, Texas and guns. That is no joke.

I just obviously went into my mama role.



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Response to seabeyond (Reply #63)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:19 AM

64. Another little bit.

Maybe that white boy shifted his mindset in that day, during that embarrassment. Maybe that cashier was impressed enough to make his own statements about racism on occasion.

And on and on.

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #64)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:23 AM

65. Yes. And when we raise our children well, they grow up with it, seeing it done in

 

passion and respect. Lol. we create more. That is what gives me hope. That is what I learned long ago. As hard as it is to speak up, we gotta.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:31 AM

66. K&R

 

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:16 AM

70. Excellent post, and I think that all of us could do better at speaking up against injustice.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 01:38 PM

75. Thank you for saying what needs to be said

I've actually lost jobs for standing up for equality for others. And I have no regrets. Who wants to work for bigots?

My point of view probably comes from being an America Citizen who grew up in another country. My family lived in Mexico from the time I was 2 years old until I was 25 years old. I feel that although my citizenship is from the USA, my heart is half Mexican. As a matter of fact I would gladly go back to Mexico in a second if I could.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 02:21 PM

76. Very simply, well put.

 

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 03:08 PM

81. A tactic of the Right is to intimidate other whites into silence by claiming to be in the majority.

 

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