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ancianita

(35,915 posts)
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 10:07 AM Oct 2016

U.S. History Must Be Revised To Stop Glorifying Indian Killers

I know this argument won't be accepted around here, but give this some thought. Please.

This includes our public spaces and the US military, particularly the Army.

Most people here remember our majority consensus on the removal of Confederate military statues in the South. Well, that has raised a related issue for my friends there.

And that issue of public concern is, just as importantly, that we US civilians have to stop thinking war statues in public spaces are a good thing. An occasional statue, you say? But have you traveled, seen how they are everywhere? How Mount Rushmore sits on Indian tribal land against the repeated protests of Indigenous America?

When we glorify the memories of men known for their Indian killing on behalf of the US's white settler government, we are no better than Confederate battle flag wavers and statue defenders of slavers.

Yes, Southern and Northern generals look powerful, even protective. They meant well for their own people. And so, while we support the removal of much Confederate statuary, we still allow statues that romanticize leaders in this country's monstrous, land stealing project. Our forebears were so into the vision of "Manifest Destiny" and other doctrines, that they didn't know any better about the larger scope of the grand project that others designed.

We do now.

This is the commemorative statue of Andrew Jackson in Jackson Square, New Orleans. There are many more around the country, including across the street from the White House in Lafayette Park in Washington, DC.



Jackson killed off thousands, drove off several Indian nations in his day, aided and abetted by US presidents as the tools of business, stealing their land to farm and establish plantation ownership for cotton agriculture.

New Orleans is also the site of one of the two legal slave shipping ports of the United States.

My friend, Chuck Perkins -- marine veteran, business owner, radio talk show host, father of college educated, activist women -- and other residents of NOLA have decided that, along with Confederate monuments, this monument to Jackson must, too, be taken down.

Apparently the local rulers think such protests are, at best, "too soon," and so recently he was hauled off to jail.



In defense of Chuck and all those who want to restructure our history to better match our increased knowledge of US history:

Memorializing Indian killers because "it was their job" is like memorializing Nazis because killing Jews was their "just following orders" job.

Indian killing, scalping them, enslaving their women and sending their children off to be brainwashed as 'wrong' was wrong. Stealing their land was the wrong way to settle land.

White Euro settler forebears here did what the Israelis are doing right now -- settler imperialism -- counterinsurgency stalking, raiding, setting fire to housing, food supply and water of old land occupants -- aided and abetted by counterinsurgency white horse riding militiamen called "rangers," bankers, and their tools in government, commanders-in-"chief."

Statues ain't okay cuz it's in the past. Because that past, memorialized, validates a continued hateful, racist present -- toward black people, Indians, women. With our military abandoning the continental landbase and moving its war control centers onto the oceans on naval carriers, with our country being officially, legally designated a "battleground," we have even more evidence that the military agenda and the military industrial complex's agenda was never to really serve US citizens, anyway. We have to re-see public space so that it no longer supports a racist, wrong present culture.

We're not denying our past with statuary removals. They can well go into great Military Museums. But we have to think about a public self, and public space that inspires The People's future children every bit as much as glorify past "heroes." We will need better statues.

There are so many other great accomplishments of this country to memorialize beyond war in a new Works Progress and Infrastructure Project. We must build our public imaginary away from war and mass murder. We said these things to our Southern neighbors. It's time to say it to the rest of us.

No, there is no "draw the line" argument. As history is researched, and new, relevant actions, events and racial politics come to light, so must our public spaces reflect our better, changed selves today.

That national self says: Wrong is wrong. We must admit it. It is never too soon to do what we know is right.

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U.S. History Must Be Revised To Stop Glorifying Indian Killers (Original Post) ancianita Oct 2016 OP
True. deathrind Oct 2016 #1
As a Berner I believe Bernie would approve of this revising project of US public space. ancianita Oct 2016 #2
Ditto. deathrind Oct 2016 #6
Jackson is probably memorialized in NOLA Adrahil Oct 2016 #3
There is a narrow rightness in that argument that, as you say, obscures the larger damage he did. ancianita Oct 2016 #4
Absolutely. Adrahil Oct 2016 #5
Off the $20 bill, too, imo. ancianita Oct 2016 #7
Here's a recent article on the Take Em Down NOLA group's protests. ancianita Oct 2016 #8
I agree madokie Oct 2016 #9
"The American Indians were in tune with nature like no other group of people ever" EX500rider Oct 2016 #10
Well stated. That was the military's strategy. Use locals as scouts, advisers, then kill 'em all ancianita Oct 2016 #11
It truly sucked the way they destroyed madokie Oct 2016 #13
I come from Maine, Penobscot land. Peace to you. ancianita Oct 2016 #14
May I madokie Oct 2016 #15
... ancianita Oct 2016 #16
I am sorry GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #19
Kick and Rec. nt DLevine Oct 2016 #12
No thanks. tritsofme Oct 2016 #17
I don't have any problem LWolf Oct 2016 #18

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
1. True.
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 10:19 AM
Oct 2016

If we are going "revise" for one we absolutely should do it for the other. Our conduct towards Native Americans was every bit as horrible (if not worse) as it was towards AA.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
3. Jackson is probably memorialized in NOLA
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 10:29 AM
Oct 2016

Because of the Battle of New Orleans.

Having said that, he was a terrible, terrible man and a genocidal murderer.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
9. I agree
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 10:41 AM
Oct 2016

rather than live with the native Americans the white settlers killed them and stole their land. The American Indians were in tune with nature like no other group of people ever and we didn't accept them and learn from what they'd learned after hundreds of years of living but rather slaughtered them like animals.


I say we take down every single one of these statues and do it now.

IMHO

The Cherokee's were who showed them how to build log cabins otherwise the settlers would never have made it. For that the Cherokees were slaughtered.

EX500rider

(10,791 posts)
10. "The American Indians were in tune with nature like no other group of people ever"
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 10:47 AM
Oct 2016

Don't know about "ever", I'd say no more then most other paleolithic stone age tribes.
And some of the Amazonian tribes or African Bushmen or Australian Aborigines might object to that characterization also.

ancianita

(35,915 posts)
11. Well stated. That was the military's strategy. Use locals as scouts, advisers, then kill 'em all
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 10:47 AM
Oct 2016

by equal military justice.

We have a lot to thank Indigenous America for. But we are a most ungrateful settler nation, and we MUST do better.

Or else, what the hell is our participation in all this election bullshit for, anyway. We can't keep being tools for some distant globalists. We just can't.

We remake ourselves, rebuild our souls and then we can stand up to globalists.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
13. It truly sucked the way they destroyed
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 11:02 AM
Oct 2016

these brave and honest peoples lives

The settlers had so much to learn but rather they killed instead

I'm 1/8 Cherokee and that 1/8th is what I'm most proud of.

Peace

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
19. I am sorry
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 02:06 PM
Oct 2016

But the whole 'in tune with nature stuff' is just romanticism and even patronizing.

They used fire to totally change natural landscapes, making them more suitable to their preferred species. And it is now accepted that they were responsible for the extinction of our native megafauna.

The fact is they were a low technology society with limited ability to wreak havoc on the landscape. But they did a good job with what they had.

They are humans just like we are. They killed each other and took each other's land as happily as the colonists did. Had 90% of the native peoples not been killed by disease without even seeing a European it is doubtful that Europeans could have successfully colonized the continents. In the 1500's European weapons were not that much better than what they possessed. And they were as smart as Europeans and would have quickly equalized the playing field.

There is no defending what Europeans did, but the natives were not paragons of virtue and in tune with nature like characters out of Avatar.



LWolf

(46,179 posts)
18. I don't have any problem
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 12:11 PM
Oct 2016

with your argument.

But then, from childhood I've never been nationalistic or it's supposedly "gentler" sibling, "patriotic." I've always recognized that our history is shameful, and shamefully hypocritical, when it comes to liberty and human rights for non-europeans.

I can't take calls for "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" seriously when it's exclusive and achieved by subjugating and destroying others.

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