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PCIntern

(25,540 posts)
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 02:55 PM Oct 2016

What if there were other papers mailed with the return?

Perhaps there's a faulty assumption that that's all that was in the envelope. Perhaps there were other documents which will take a bit longer to verify. Perhaps some very incriminating documents.

Some people think this might be the case.

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What if there were other papers mailed with the return? (Original Post) PCIntern Oct 2016 OP
Like the deduction page... asiliveandbreathe Oct 2016 #1
From 1995? former9thward Oct 2016 #17
Hummm - you made me do some research - that is a good thing asiliveandbreathe Oct 2016 #19
The IRS would have audited that return. former9thward Oct 2016 #20
IIRC duncang Oct 2016 #2
If I were one to bet, I'd bet on that. MANative Oct 2016 #3
Only if it's a joint filing. Exilednight Oct 2016 #4
Yup - working on the assumption that it's a joint filing. MANative Oct 2016 #5
Read the article in the Times by the reporter who received the docs. MANative Oct 2016 #9
Yes they were joint filings - look at the top of the pages as shown in the NYT article csziggy Oct 2016 #11
Well, the NYTimes says, "No comment." longship Oct 2016 #6
Some people say that there's more PCIntern Oct 2016 #7
Based on a "no comment", that's a stretch. longship Oct 2016 #10
I couldn't agree with you more PCIntern Oct 2016 #14
Sometimes people make shit up. longship Oct 2016 #15
Right longship PCIntern Oct 2016 #16
Good one, my friend. longship Oct 2016 #18
The guy on morning joe MFM008 Oct 2016 #8
Hey, if lots of people are saying - that's good enough for me eleny Oct 2016 #12
Exactly. nt PCIntern Oct 2016 #13

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
19. Hummm - you made me do some research - that is a good thing
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 07:12 PM
Oct 2016

from an article -

http://tax.findlaw.com/tax-problems-audits/what-is-the-irs-statute-of-limitations-or-deadline-for-action-on-.html

False, Fraudulent, or Missing Returns: No IRS Statute of Limitations


It is also important to note that no deadline applies where the IRS can establish that a taxpayer has: 1) filed a false or fraudulent return; 2) willfully attempted to evade tax; or 3) failed to file a return. Unlike the circumstances above where tax returns are filed (even with errors), these are cases in which a taxpayer is willfully or intentionally not filing taxes or is filing fraudulent return(s). Not only will there be no time limit on IRS action against such taxpayers, but heightened interest fees and penalties will apply.

Just sayin' - I'm sure there is more here than meets the eye...be well..

MANative

(4,112 posts)
3. If I were one to bet, I'd bet on that.
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 03:07 PM
Oct 2016

I'd love to get confirmation that it was Marla who sent them. That'd be sweet retribution, and completely legal.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
4. Only if it's a joint filing.
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 03:13 PM
Oct 2016

The NYT received the documents anonymously two weeks after the reporter who published them said he would happily spend time in jail if he ever got his hands on them.

There is actually no fear of him going to jail since he did not solicit the source of said material to break the law. It's also unlikaely that Trump will sue due to the fact that he would have to answer questions about their legitimacy and open the door for further tax records to be entered into evidence and court records. Once they're entered into court records they are public domain.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
5. Yup - working on the assumption that it's a joint filing.
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 03:17 PM
Oct 2016

Marla was dumb enough to marry the idiot, but I hope she's smart enough to have consulted an attorney before letting these documents out into the world.

Based on my very limited knowledge, I think you're right about the reporter's legal position. (Sent a note to an investigative reporter friend and awaiting her feedback - she's been in the business for 30+ years, so I'm betting she'll have some insight.)

MANative

(4,112 posts)
9. Read the article in the Times by the reporter who received the docs.
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 03:47 PM
Oct 2016

She says they were signed by both Marla and Donald, so it was a joint return.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
11. Yes they were joint filings - look at the top of the pages as shown in the NYT article
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 05:11 PM
Oct 2016

On each form (New York, Connecticut and New Jersey) the names listed are "Trump, Donald J. and Marla" and the box for "Married filing joint return" is checked. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/01/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. Well, the NYTimes says, "No comment."
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 03:21 PM
Oct 2016

Which is really all it means. Whether there is more or not, they are not saying. And only a fool would interpret "no comment" as meaning anything other than what it literally says.

The Times has journalistic and legal standards with which it should abide. If I had such info which they released, I would release it as soon as I could, as they have apparently done.

However, if another journalist asked either if there was more, or if I knew who sent the document, the only rational response is, "No comment."

That's why I would not intuit anything into Suzanne Craig's response.

PCIntern

(25,540 posts)
7. Some people say that there's more
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 03:41 PM
Oct 2016

That's all I'm saying I don't know but some others say this. I'm just repeating what I've heard.

longship

(40,416 posts)
10. Based on a "no comment", that's a stretch.
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 03:52 PM
Oct 2016

Because Craig and the Times would say the same damned thing whether there was more or not. So, the "no comment" gives one absolutely no information, just as it is intended.

They want no more info released on this other than what they have already published. If there is more coming, putatively still under analysis, they are not saying. Drumpf is a highly letigious person and the Times isn't stupid. Any more info might reveal a source, whether it is anonymous or known.

"No comment" makes absolute sense here. However, it would be wrong to conclude anything about that.

longship

(40,416 posts)
15. Sometimes people make shit up.
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 06:18 PM
Oct 2016

But in this case, that stretches the facts a bit too far. That's why I am posting on it. I prefer that DU be grounded in facts. I don't mind some conjecture, but "no comment" specifically by a respected journalist certainly does not mean "speculate as you will".

My best.

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