That PTSD comment should break the fucking camel's back - '...his ignorance is profound...'

[malaise]

He's a despicable human being - a narcissistic sociopath without conscience.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/04/joe-biden-donald-trump-veterans-ptsd-remarks
<snip>
Vice-President Joe Biden has attacked the Republican presidential candidate, Donald Trump, for remarks suggesting that soldiers who suffer from mental health issues might not be as strong as those who don’t.

“How can he be so out of touch?” Biden asked in an interview that aired on Tuesday on CNN. The vice-president also said Trump is “not a bad man”. But he added: “His ignorance is profound, so profound.”

[Orrex]

1. Every word out of that fuckwit's mouth should break the camel's back

But the media remain eager and willing to keep helping the camel stumble along in traction.

[malaise]

3. True but this one will be judged by the American people not the for profit

scumbag corporate media

[Orrex]

7. Damn I hope so

My local community's Facebook page has already started rolled out the "he was taken out of context" defense, so I expect that we'll see a lot of denial and rationalization as Trump's Chumps continue to grovel at their patriarch's feet.

[malaise]

10. Good effin' grief

How dumb are people?

[Orrex]

15. As dumb as we can imagine, and more...

[3catwoman3]

32. Pretty damn...

...dumb.

[Orrex]

43. About that...

Yesterday on FB I was arguing with a Trump Chump, and as a rebuttal he actually wrote: "Oh yeah? What about Whitewater?"

Next I suppose they'll unearth Vince Foster for another round of dumbass accusations.

[femmocrat]

2. I hope the democrats are putting together a montage...

of all his insults to the military. It will make a great ad.

[malaise]

4. +1,000

Agreed

[lame54]

5. Biden is so wrong...

Trump is a bad man

[malaise]

8. Yes - I don't know why he said that

He is an evil narcissistic sociopath.

[awoke_in_2003]

64. I said as much

but thinking about it, he probably didn't want any negative blowback to come HRC's way. Joe is a great guy, but he is also a smart political player.

[Koinos]

22. I agree with you. Trump is a bad man. Biden was being kind.

A good man knows himself and knows when he doesn't know. A good man knows his limits.

Trump is a bad man and a fool.

[sarge43]

25. Well said.

Trump is a middle school bully.

[ailsagirl]

70. I guess Biden was trying to give the benefit of the doubt but...

it simply doesn't apply in cheato's case

[Odin2005]

71. Biden was being polite.

[spanone]

6. K&R...

[malaise]

9. Hi there

Normalcy resumes in these parts.

[spanone]

11. good to know.

[Whiskeytide]

12. I agree. But I wouldn't count on it. How many...

... camels have we seen in need of orthopedic surgery so far in his campaign?

Most of his supporters are too ignorant to understand what he said, and are likely to live by a "suck it up" or "walk it off" philosophy anyway. They will agree with him, I suspect. Sad.

[HughBeaumont]

13. ABSOLUTELY. NOTHING. STICKS TO THIS GUY. NOTHING.

It fucking pisses me off SO much.

It's practically like he's going out of his WAY to sink his own campaign. Bringing on anti-human-rights nutjob Pence. Decades-long tax evasion. Serial sexism. A record of stiffing small businesses an arm long. Anti-veteran comments. Campaign rallies that should have RaHoWa as a soundtrack.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

These shit-ignorant troglodytes see all of these things as attributes and will never admit that they just simply HATE and would never vote for anything named "Clinton". They see that name as like some "Great Satan" . . . like they were trained to.

[trotsky]

53. You gotta keep in mind what they are comparing Drumpf to.

His loyal followers believe in a caricature of Hillary Clinton: someone who has literally murdered everyone in her way, who laughed maniacally while soldiers were begging for reinforcements in Benghazi, who sold all our state secrets to the highest bidder using her e-mail server and then destroyed all the evidence.

If you *truly believe* in all that, then yeah, nothing Drumpf has said or done is as bad, and you'll continue to support him over her.

They're ignorant and brainwashed by FAUX news.

[napkinz]

14. it should but it won't

Sadly, NOTHING offends his deplorable and deranged supporters.

[Volaris]

28. Losing will

Mark my words their tears will be Rare Vintage this time round.
Oh, they'll blame the nominee for not being a Conservative, (like they did with Jr)
They'll blame the Establishment for not supporting said Non-Conservative Nominee (like they probably shouldn't if they want to keep being the Establishment)
They'll blame Hillary Clinton for being a Clinton (like they have for 30 years).
They'll blame the Liberal Media (without ever considering that the Fairness Doctrine might solve that problem if it actually existed)
They'll blame Obama (because he's black, OBVIOUSLY)
They'll blame Facts (because fox 'news')
They'll blame the Dirty Illuminati (because you can't disprove something that doesn't exist)
They'll blame American voters for turning into filthy, brainwashed communists
They'll blame Wall Street (for all the wrong reasons, because they're about as economically intelligent as their Non-Conservative Nominee up there)
They'll blame Liberals for being smarter than them (that's called 'eliteism')
Women, LGBTQ, Muslims, Catholics, Immigrants, all make the list. Doesn't matter why. They hate themselves and this is the most useless exercise in Projection since 1930's Germany.

They'll blame everyone and everything they can possibly find but the one thing that actually IS to blame...

Themselves as the manifestation of the worst kind of Human Ignorance. When they realize this, oh will they be mad. Fuck em, we can drive the country forward WITHOUT THEM.

They're tears for a Lost America (that never existed) will be so delicious. I can't wait.

[FailureToCommunicate]

37. EXCELLENT summation! May it come to pass. (They should by name brand tissues that 'pop up')

[calimary]

48. You might enjoy this:

http://www.gq.com/story/a-word-for-donald-trump-voters

It sure speaks for how I feel about that misbegotten bunch! If their guy does lose, does that mean they'll be down in the Trump-Dumps? My only real concern is how some of them will inevitably act out. We've already seen too many disgraceful and utterly nauseating displays of that just at the rallies.

[malaise]

56. +1,000

I can't wait either

[saltpoint]

16. That was one of the most powerful

moments of the campaign.

Trump and Pence are two guys who live in worlds where the needs of others are just a flickering annoyance. Trump is interested in profit, in fattening his wallet, in gaming the system for his own personal financial gain. I haven't been able to detect any reverence in him. He smears women and minorities at every turn. His public speech is fractal, just bigotry blurted out without thought. He cheats the rules.

Pence looks smooth but there's a very rough bigotry to him, too. He's a self-described born-again fundamentalist and accordingly, has vigorously opposed most progressive social issues. He's apparently more able to understand complex social issues than Trump, but ignores science and medicine and pushes a far-right agenda at every turn. He's way to the right of most U.S. Americans on social issues.

Joe Biden would demolish either of these guys in a debate.

[malaise]

17. Pence is a corrupt ReTHUG scumbag

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mike-pence-used-campaign-funds-to-pay-his-mortgage--and-it-cost-him-an-election/2016/07/15/90858964-49ed-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html

[saltpoint]

18. Yes indeed. Evidently Pence thought if he

could score the veep slot with Trump, it would lift him out of a loss in Indiana and into the national spotlight.

I hope Tim Kaine runs up the score bigly tonight.

[malaise]

19. Shouldn't be hard

[saltpoint]

21. - - - -

[Volaris]

68. I think he will.

What Trump is to Home Ec classes, Pence is to Social Studies. From what I understand, Kaine is pro life BY CHOICE and understands that tornados aren't connected to the actions of the LGBTQ community. That alone should be enough to wreck Pence in any discussion of Serious Issues.

[catbyte]

20. Gotta disagree with Joe. Trump IS a bad man. The worst.

[Bucky]

24. Oh, you're just prejudiced against him coz of his real estate scams, renegging on debts, tax dodging

and--oh yeah--that child rape he's accused of.

But doesn't his denouncing veterans who can't hack it, POWs, and the disabled show just how brilliant and heroic he is?

[PatSeg]

42. I agree with Joe on most things,

but you are right. Trump is a truly bad person. He has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

[catbyte]

62. He's nothing but political pornography. No redeeming social value, whatsoever.

[Bucky]

23. "Should", but won't

The whole point of Republicans tribalizing their politics and leaning on the nonstop slur machines at Fox News and Clear Channel radio stations is make unpalatable politicians acceptable to conservative voters.

[randome]

26. Honestly, I don't think Trump meant to deliberately disparage veterans.

He was his usual unscripted, bombastic self and tried to compliment those gathered to hear him speak by making a comparison he has no knowledge of whatsoever. It all came out wrong and he's a buffoon for thinking he can handle a public forum without any speaking skills or deep understanding of, well, anything.

We're right to mock him but as much as Trump enjoys self-destructively shooting himself in the foot, I don't think he meant for this shot to go the way it did.

Some of those veterans he was addressing suffered (and perhaps still do) from PTSD and Trump is such a clown, he can't conceive of that and speak into a microphone at the same time.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[RKP5637]

29. He seems to totally lack the ability to think as he speaks. I also think it came out

ass-end-too.

[tonyt53]

30. As a vet myself, I disagree. He knew what he was saying.

Trump likes the perception of strength. All bullies have that in common. When he made the statement about McCain, then doubled down on it later? He knew exactly what he was saying. He was sitting in a room of mostly retired officers that never saw combat. The the ones that had been around combat, likely never fought, but more likely happened to be deployed to a country were we had people fighting. The group that hosted Trump was only formed two months ago ad is based in Austin, TX. They formed for one purpose and that was to raise money for Trump because he would keep the weapons machinery working.

Trump said it and he meant it. He is a worthless draft dodging piece of shit.

[randome]

34. Well, your opinion counts more than my non-vet one.

Trump seems like a cloned merge of Beavis and Butthead rather than a product of reality TV. Those who have spent any time with him in an unscripted setting have all described him as vulgar.

He continually wants -needs- to astound us with his outrageous statements when he feels no connection with the very people he speaks with.

He is everything you said and more.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[tonyt53]

52. Nah, my opinion doesn't mean more. Hell, if we all thought alike, we'd all be Republicans.

[randome]

55. Okay, then. Cheers!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[Victor_c3]

57. I'm not at all disagreeing with your point

But as officer I was very close combat and I was right there with my soldiers shooting, giving first aid, and handling the dead and wounded - as were most of my platoon leader peers.

However, that being said, I was an infantry platoon leader and pretty much went on a patrol every day for the 13 months I was there. That was expected of us (and what anyone who cared the slightest about the men they served with) would do.

Of the 11 people killed in my company in 2004, 2 of them were officers (my company commander and my company XO). Two of the platoon leaders in the company were wounded.

But you are right. The group Trump was addressing are exactly the sorts you described.

Incidentally, I'm the only officer that is ever in any of the PTSD groups I attend. So I'm probably not the normal sort of officer...

[spanone]

65. regardless of his intent, that is exactly what he did.

[randome]

66. I am in no way defending that loser, just trying to see things accurately.

He is worse than Palin, imo, with less forethought and no self-filter. He is a work of art, in a way. Some works of art disgust us but we still look and try to see the message or at least the artist's intent.

Trump is another nail in the GOP's coffin. I hope this is enough to seal it for a hundred years.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[RKP5637]

27. WTF is wrong with Americans that support this guy! Part of the US is such a brainwashed and

propagandized country. It's disgusting and frankly frightening. Do Americans really want a damn ignorant bellicose fool such as Trump as president. He would likely start WW III and other nations would have to take up arms against the US as Trump tried to dominate the world.

[Initech]

31. This guy has zero business being commander in chief.

[DemoTex]

33. Breathtaking ignorance and cynicism

Trump's comments about PTSD and POW/MIAs are breathtaking in their wanton ignorance and cynicism. To Trump, nothing is sacred but the almighty dollar. Even KIAs are fair game, as the Khan Family found out in July and August.

[TonyPDX]

35. I could build a house with the "last straw" statements Trump made this election.

[meow2u3]

36. Biden is being extremely charitable when he says Trump is not a bad man

I strongly disagree with him in that regard--Mango Mussolini IS an evil man!

But I do agree with VP Biden that MM's "profoundly ignorant." Not only that, he's also willfully blind.

[Fast Walker 52]

40. exactly-- he IS a bad person, there's no doubt

[calimary]

49. The Mango Mussolini!!!

[mountain grammy]

38. "can't handle it"

like Trump would know anything about it. Insulting jerk.

[malaise]

67. Effin' draft dodger

He really thinks his opinions matter

[Victor_c3]

39. As one of the vets that was criticized, I kind of feel that way

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I'm 36, served as an infantry platoon leader for 13 months in Iraq more than a decade ago, and totally disabled as a result of my severe PTSD. I struggle with suicide attempts and frequent hospitalizations. I've lost some great jobs over the years because of it and I was just recently awarded SSDI for it.

A lot of the guys who did the exact same stuff and served under me didn't get PTSD. What makes me different from the guys I served with? That is the thought I have a lot. Then I realize that a big part of PTSD symptoms come from the amygdala (part of the base of the brain that controls involuntary fight or flight responses, among other things). The amygdala controls responses that you can't consciously control and is significantly impacted with PTSD. So, the truth of the matter is, for some reason the amygdala in my brain got all messed up - which is something I have no control over.

What I do have control over is how I react in the moments after an intense fight or flight response is triggered. It's very tough - almost impossible at times - to take a step back and realize I'm not in a dire situation like combat. Little stresses like hearing yelling or smelling something that resembles cordite illicits an over-the-top reaction. That might be appropriate in war, but when I'm making macaroni for my kids it becomes a serious problem.

Anyways I can go on and on about PTSD. It's tough for me to believe it at times, but I'm not any less strong mentally than someone who doesn't have PTSD. Trivial daily activities like going to the grocery store reduce me to a shaking mess of a person - and yet I still make myself persevere. To me, that is strength.

[flamingdem]

46. Thanks for sharing your story

I just learned a lot about PTSD.

[calimary]

50. These are important stories to be shared. Particularly for those of us who haven't served,

or did serve but never saw combat.

Thank you for letting us in, Victor_c3. People need to understand. Listening to this coddled self-congratulating lunkhead panty-waist CONman certainly won't help.

[flamingdem]

60. ++1

[malaise]

47. You are much stronger than

scumbag Trump

I had a nephew in Iraq - he changed forever.

[flamingdem]

59. ++1

[ffr]

41. Our sacred obligation to our troops and their families, as Americans.

"We have only have one sacred obligation, to care for those we send to war and to care for them and their families when they come home." - Joe Biden

Moving words, to say the least.

Thanks you yuiyoshida -http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017403870

2:54s

[bigtree]

44. so many out here who think and behave just like him

...the reason he's where he is today.

[kairos12]

45. Nope. The deplorables are out in force this cycle. Nothing he's says will change that.

[Gothmog]

51. Trump's comments on PTSD were profoundly ignorant

[Ilsa]

54. But Joe Scum and Mika B said trump is just misunderstood...

They said the big bad media is taking his vile comments out of context.

Joe and Mika are Trump's bitches. I'd rather watch Mike & Mike these days.

[loyalsister]

58. This is not one we should pursue

When I watched the clip, it showed a different character from the buffoon. What he actually said to veterans is that it's a terrible experience and people handle it differently.

It is our side that is grasping at macho straws here. People are naturally primed to read that what he said as an insult to veterans because of what he has said in the past and the exploitation soldiers and veterans is very popular in political campaigns.
But this one has been taken out of context. There is no reason to desperately stretch what he said to fit a goal to get veterans to dislike him. They have plenty of reasons already.

Snopes has it...

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-didnt-say-vets-with-ptsd-are-weak/

[Rex]

61. What the fuck would he know about misery and hardship? What a total piece of crap Trump is!

Sitting there, LYING his ass off about wanting to help vets...FUCK TRUMP.

[awoke_in_2003]

63. I have to disagree with Joe this time

tRump is a bad man.

[AmericanActivist]

69. His ignorance is profound and

Highly Offensive!

And an idea that is as old as war not to mention one that research has proved false! And all this from a cowardly draft dodging con man.