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This is NOT OK for 12 year olds (Original Post) kpete Oct 2016 OP
Inappropriate doesn't even begin to cover it Siwsan Oct 2016 #1
Who bought those shirts for those kids? I can see kids thinking they were being cool, napi21 Oct 2016 #2
child abuse Angry Dragon Oct 2016 #3
Nothing surprises me any more. Nothing. nt Grammy23 Oct 2016 #4
It's not OK for anybody, really. Brickbat Oct 2016 #5
If/when Hillary wins, I hope these kids cry themselves to sleep for a year. Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2016 #6
I blame the parents 100%. (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2016 #7
Those parents are training those boys to be misogynists. SunSeeker Oct 2016 #8
Shame on Mom and Dad. In_The_Wind Oct 2016 #9
Trump supporters have no shame ITW. bluesbassman Oct 2016 #10
Sadly, in our small town in Iowa Bettie Oct 2016 #11
I bet they are bullies in school, also. NT Ilsa Oct 2016 #12
I teach in a LWolf Oct 2016 #13

napi21

(45,806 posts)
2. Who bought those shirts for those kids? I can see kids thinking they were being cool,
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 05:27 PM
Oct 2016

the the person who bought the shirts should be slapped upside the head!

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
6. If/when Hillary wins, I hope these kids cry themselves to sleep for a year.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 05:38 PM
Oct 2016

Yes, I'm blaming them. They're 12, and they probably know everything that the shirt's referencing.

Hell, I hope we get a whole montage of crying Fascist Cheeto supporters like we did in 2012 after RMoney went down.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
8. Those parents are training those boys to be misogynists.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 05:52 PM
Oct 2016

Does not bode well for the quality of those boys' future relationshops with women. As someone noted up the thread, this is child abuse.

Disgusting.

bluesbassman

(19,370 posts)
10. Trump supporters have no shame ITW.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 07:13 PM
Oct 2016

That they can hear the things Trump says and still support him says all you need to know about their moral compasses.

I've always been hesitant to make snap judgements about people, but when someone lets me know they support Trump I immediately think "idiot". Usually doesn't take but a few sentences from them after that to confirm my assessment.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
11. Sadly, in our small town in Iowa
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 08:32 PM
Oct 2016

I bet at least one or two of the kids have shirts like this.

My 15 year old son is constantly trying to argue with the stupid Trump-worshiping spawn of the local Trumpkins. I've told him to just shake his head and walk away because you can't argue with that level of stupid.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
13. I teach in a
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 08:29 AM
Oct 2016

rural, conservative area. There are some Democrats. There are tea partiers and survivalist types. They voted for Obama in '08, not in '12.

I teach 12 yos. First of all, if parents buy their kids this shirt, it won't be worn at school. While we don't have the draconian dress codes found in many places, we do have "no clothing with messages that disrupt or distract from learning."

I know that many of my students' families support Trump. We've already had one incident in which a student tried to start a Trump campaign rally in the middle of class. I then had to explain to angry parents why I shut it down. Fortunately, when they understood that the class was not having a campaign-related discussion, was not working on anything remotely connected to politics, but were analyzing a character in a novel, and that the "rally" stopped all learning in the classroom, it was then the kid who "got in trouble" at home.

My 13 yo class, on the other hand, had an assignment to analyze the first debate last week. I told them I didn't care who they or their families preferred, that we weren't campaigning, but analyzing the process of the debate and the strengths and weaknesses of the performances. And they had to report back without bias, no matter how difficult that would be. All of these students have had instruction and experience in actual formal debates, with judges, at some point in their careers here. So they noted that "it wasn't a real debate," because it didn't follow the rules they've learned. They noted instances of fallacies and outright falsehoods. They had a 45 minute discussion, nobody wearing campaign slogans or bringing their own preferences into the room. They were more insightful, and it was a more substantive discussion, than any I've heard from adults online. When they wanted to challenge something that someone said, they didn't use personal attacks; they simply said, "evidence?"

Two of the comments that I heard that day:

"Well, Clinton is clearly the better debater. She has more knowledge, more skills, and led him down the garden path several times. Trump, on the other hand, really knows how to rile people up."

"Something to walk away with is that Donald Trump says despicable things but Hillary Clinton has a terrifying track record."

My point? Kids can be taught to discuss hot issues respectfully and substantially. This pair of 12 year-olds have not been, and that is on the adults in their lives. Finally, if they were shirts just as offensive but in support of Clinton and putting down Trump, I guarantee some right here at DU would be cheering them on.


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