Is there any way to respond to "I can't vote for Hillary

[doc03]

because she is a liar and she killed those people" I have said they have had 7 Congressional investigations
on Benghazi and they will say they covered everything up. How can you prove they did or didn't cover something up
when nobody can tell you what was covered up? I had that conversation today with two women that say they are Democrats
but won't vote for Trump and say they can't vote for Hillary both were talking about voting for Johnson. These people have been
brainwashed by Fox News and they seem to have their minds made up and there are millions of them.

[rzemanfl]

1. I have a response.

It involves what Trump wanted to do to Nancy O'Dell and a horse.

[world wide wally]

2. Tell them to just vote for the rational, sentient bing

That eliminates Trump

[Imperialism Inc.]

3. If they think the highly partisan Republican House,

who openly announced the final investigation was designed to lower Clinton's poll numbers, covered up for her, then I think they are probably hopeless. I mean that is such a huge logic fail it seems unlikely you could reason with them for the simple reason they wouldn't recognize reason if they saw it.

[doc03]

6. They watch Fox News and that anti Hillary movie and are absolutely convinced she killed

the people in Benghazi. There is no way of getting to them as far as I know. It is a shame we will probably elect
a president that a large percentage of the people think she is a murderer and should be in prison. This nut job
Trump is doing nothing but undermining our democracy. He should be charged with treason for that and his ties with Russia..

[meow2u3]

40. That explains it

Those people are brainwashed by decades of nonstop propaganda. They've been fed one pack of lies after another in such a rapid-fire succession that they've been convinced that lies are truth and vice versa.

I'd tell them that if they can't vote for HRC because they've been conned into thinking she's a murderer, just stay home.

[lamp_shade]

4. If they claim to be Democrats and they watch Fox News, then they're probably not Democrats.

It could be that they're not even registered. I have a two relatives who claim to be Democrats. They're apolitical and we rarely discuss politics... but they say they can't vote for either candidate because they're both liars. It was easy for me to look up their voter registration information and guess what? Neither is even registered. I'm very skeptical of anyone who claims to be a Democrat and won't vote for Hillary.

[Bleacher Creature]

5. They're wrong. Objectively wrong.

One, she didn't "kill anyone." Second, analyses of her statements actually makes clear that she tells the truth significantly more than most other politicians, let alone Trump.

The facts are out there. If people refuse to believe them, I'm not sure what more can be done.

[Mike Nelson]

7. I would say...

...about the killing of people, where is the proof? Tried to find out if that was true and there have been numerous investigations, but not even the Republicans could confirm Hillary killed anyone. I would act very concerned about Hillary's "lies" but could not confirm that they were any different than any other politician, Reagan or Clinton. Also, Johnson seems very uninformed. You need to make quick, rational decisions as President.

[DeeDeeNY]

8. This sometimes works for me -

"Global Warming". Trump says it's a Chinese hoax. With the life of our planet at stake, nothing else matters concerning Hillary if she is on the right side of this issue. Sometimes even introducing a doubt into their thick heads is enough.

[beachbumbob]

9. They aren't democrats to begin with..so don't be bothered..

But if they care about their daughters and granddaughters....we don't want trump any where near the whitehouse

[milestogo]

11. Tell them to watch "The Choice 2016" on Frontline - PBS

which gives an even handed description of Clinton and Trump. If they aren't willing to put that much work into it, they are probably not going to be open to discussion.

If someone repeats a lie often enough, some people start to believe it.

[Binkie The Clown]

12. Tell them to stay home on election day and let the responsible adults cast their ballots. n/t

[femmocrat]

17. That's what I tell people.

Just stay home.

There is no requirement that every dumbass has to cast a ballot. They are too uninformed to vote for the down ballot candidates anyhow.

[Hekate]

13. Answer: "It's awful. You should really just stay home as a protest."

Be sympathetic to the poor dears, but do not try to encourage them to vote for Hillary if they are dead set against it. They'll be standing there in the polling booth voting for every down-ballot Republican there is, even if they don't vote for Trump. Encourage them to stay home as a form of protest.

See how that works?

[JoePhilly]

14. 7 REPUBLICAN congressional investigations covered everything up????????

So this IDIOT thinks the GOP held 7 separate investigations, so they could COVER IT UP.

If these people are this stupid ... give up ... there is no hope for them. Tell them Johnson is an ok choice. Or write in some one else. McCain is writing in Lindsey Graham. Who do they like ... who would they write in???

These people are nuts ... accept it.

[SwissTony]

18. That's the point that sticks out to me.

7 investigations by the GOP? If they could have criticised Hilary about anything, it would have been splashed around years ago. And the fact that they had a whole SEVEN investigations indicates they were desperate to find ANYthing. But they found nothing.

[TheDebbieDee]

38. I always tick off the investigations I can remember...

Travelgate, Whitewater, Chicago Futures & Commodities, Vince Foster, WhiteHouse Christmas card list, blah, blah, blah, Benghazi 1, Benghazi 2 and Benghazi 3...

And then I point out that there were NO INDICTMENTS. I then point out that these investigations have been used to slander her reputation and harass her!

Finally, I point out that her accusers are like Wiley Coyote and Sec Clinton is like the Road-runner and I post a picture of Wiley Coyote holding a sign with "HELP" written on it just to mess with their heads!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. no. that is not a mind open to discussion. if anything your arguments will cement their views

further

[gratuitous]

16. First, say, "No, she's not a liar and she didn't kill those people"

Then move on to a brief resume: Hillary Clinton has been in public life for nearly 40 years now. There is no aspect of her life that hasn't been fly-specked to a fare-thee-well by the most hostile forces imaginable, and she has withstood all scrutiny. She has been the first lady of Arkansas and the United States. She has been a consistent, tireless champion for children during that time. She was a successful lawyer with a prestigious law firm. She was elected to the U.S. Senate in her own right, and named Secretary of State. She is arguably the most qualified person ever to run for president.

Back to those hostile forces: Do you suppose good old-fashioned sexism or male chauvinism has anything to do with it? Do you suppose that all the negative publicity about Hillary Clinton is driven by something other than a noble quest for the pure truth? Would someone guilty of even a tenth of all the accusations leveled against Hillary Clinton be walking around free? She is about to win the presidency; aren't you curious how such a remarkable achievement could be pulled off by someone guilty of all the charges brought by her political enemies?

"Cover up" can't begin to explain it. That's a baby's answer. Put on your grown-up glasses and look at the candidates objectively if you can. If not, then just admit that you prefer the sexists' narrative that's been fabricated for you.

[Gman]

19. Tell them vote for Johnson

Split the vote

[roamer65]

27. Yes. It will drive a stake right into the heart of the GOP.

It will split them for years.

[kentuck]

21. If it is so traumatic, then maybe...

they shouldn't vote at all?

[davidn3600]

22. Some people just flat out don't like either candidate

Nothing you can do about it. It is what it is.

It's ultimately their vote. Bullying them will only push them further away.

[aikoaiko]

23. If they can't/won't vote for HRC by this point, then tell them to vote libertarian if they are right

Or Jill Stein if they are left.

As long as they don't vote for Trump, its a net gain for HRC.

[doc03]

24. After reading all these posts I believe the best thing would be to encourage them

to vote for Johnson or write someone else in. At least they won't be voting for Trump. It is impossible to change their minds about
Hillary the Republicans brag about spending 2 years to drive her numbers down.

[Mr. Ected]

25. Tell them to spend 2 weeks on DU reading articles and learning the truth

The brainwash effect on them was unilateral and calculated. The only way to deprogram is to immerse oneself in the facts. You cannot obtain facts from FOX or most any other major media outlet. They are profit-based and exist solely to capture attention, clicks and your hard-earned cash. They sway opinion without a conscience. They would endlessly splash Hitler on our TV screens if it meant a ratings bump.

I live in rural red country in the South and have absorbed a whole lot of anti-Hillary rhetoric by osmosis. A few weeks ago, I remembered my old friend, DU. So I came back, and it changed me. It emboldened me and my beliefs. And more than anything, it made me realize that this utter BULLSHIT about Hillary that spreads around like a flu-like virus around here in Georgia is based on a perpetual hate machine that hasn't let up on her in a quarter century.

Hillary is NOT the lesser of two evils. That assumes that both candidates are flawed or, worse, wicked, corrupt or depraved . There is only one evil candidate, and his churlishness in born out with every utterance he makes on a daily basis.

If these women sincerely want to choose the right person for the presidency, they need to turn off their TV's, turn off their radios, roll up their sleeves, and seek the truth. When you cut through the bullshit, the truth will inevitably lead them to HRC...and just in the nick of time.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

26. I truly would not waste my time and energy on them -- if they are that ignorant, it must be willful.

[Thinkingabout]

28. I spoke to my neighbor who has the same opinion that Hillary lies, he told me he was staying home,

though I encourage everyone to vote, in this case I dropped the subject, one vote Hillary will not get but neither will the others.

[Warpy]

29. "Yeah, i felt that way too

but they spent millions of dollars trying to find crimes she committed and nobody could and then she adopted 80% of Bernie Sanders's agenda in her platform."

Works for me without shutting them down completely. The ones who consistently squawk emails and Benghazi after that are generally the ones who would never vote for either a Democrat or a woman. That's when I cut my losses and walk away.

[blm]

30. Benghazi was a covert CIA operation under the direction of Gen Petraeus, and State Dept

did what every State Dept has done for over 6 decades….provide plausible cover for CIA in the world's hotspots.

Every man who died that night knew they were working with CIA. Gen Petraeus had DOZENS of men on the ground there before, DURING, and after the attack. Congress knew within weeks it was a covert op, and also knew damn well the WH wouldn't out all the many agents and operatives and cooperating locals. CIA documents wouldn't see the light of day for at least 10years - perfect opportunity to use the attack to smear Obama before 2012 election. When that didn't work they turned the blame onto HRC and State to damage her politically before 2016.People should be pissed at Republican opportunists using valuable taxpayer dollars over FOUR YEARS as a political smear job. Remember GOP wouldn't allow 9-11 to be so closely scrutinized.

Your friend fell for GOP bullshit.

Have your friend read this Wall Street Journal news article from Nov 2012.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204712904578092853621061838

CIA Takes Heat for Role in Libya
By ADAM ENTOUS, SIOBHAN GORMAN and MARGARET COKER
Nov. 1, 2012 9:05 p.m. ET
When the bodies of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans killed in Benghazi, Libya, arrived at Andrews Air Force Base after the Sept. 11 attack, they were greeted by the president, the vice president and the secretaries of state and defense. Conspicuously absent was CIA Director David Petraeus.

Officials close to Mr. Petraeus say he stayed away in an effort to conceal the agency's role in collecting intelligence and providing security in Benghazi. Two of the four men who died that day, Tyrone Woods and...

[still_one]

31. Those with that mindset obviously approve of a Supreme Court with the likes of a

Scala or, Thomas, because that is exactly who trump would support.

Obviously, those with that mindset don't care if the right to privacy between a person and her doctor is taken away. They don't mind if the results of the Civil Rights Act continue to be whittled away, they don't mind if Citizens United will become a permanent part of the landscape, and have no problem with blatant racism and sexism

Anyone who refuses to vote for Hillary is a Trump enabler. There are no two ways about that, and no rationalization to explain.

History has PROVED that the Nader's mantra, that "there is no difference between republicans and Democrats", is not only false, but a blatant LIE.

These so-called "principled" folks who won't vote for Hillary, are to only to willing to enable a Hitler like candidate, and for that alone, they are as despicable as the KKK and the white suprematists that support him

[LaydeeBug]

32. Tell them they are lying, there's no g-d way around it

The backtrack a little to explain that it doesn't matter whether they are stupid (dereliction) or lying (design) they are WRONG nonetheless.

Freedom isn't free, and security costs money. They needed additional security forces because the area grew less stable. They requested it, and the GOP played fucking politics with those people's lives. THAT'S why it doesn't matter who was there or not. THAT'S why it doesn't matter what the eyewitness accounts were. Those people were left out on the lurch because the Republic Party decided they hated Obama more than they loved their country, and that despite their elected office and government paycheck, they REFUSED TO WORK.

Then tell the asshole to watch the words come out of his mouth, and show them this:

[Generic Other]

33. I ask people to try and shake off the conditioning

We have all been carefully brainwashed. It's not just about Hillary. It's any woman. And all liberals. They branded us for forty years. Put targets on our backs. Groped our genitals. Emotionally abused us. Made us ashamed of our strength. Afraid of Raising our voices.

AND STILL WE RISE!

[LaydeeBug]

35. Hell yes!!! nt

[cheapdate]

34. No. That person is a lost cause.

Time and effort better used in other pursuits.

[bhikkhu]

36. Resorting to numbers is good: there have been 40 attacks on US diplomatic facilities

since 1970. The death toll among US diplomats and US security from then to the present time is about 82. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_U.S._diplomatic_facilities ). We were hit hard under Reagan, under Bill Clinton, and under George W Bush. Congress never blamed them, and they certainly never blamed the secretary of state.

The state department primarily is responsible for US diplomatic missions overseas, which are almost always geared toward making or keeping the peace: diplomacy. I has always been dangerous, as many parties are not interested in peace.

In all cases I have read of the incidents were basically terrorism, and treated as such; we were already in conflict with the attackers. There were 23 secretaries of state during that same time period. Only two were women, and only one was ever so intensely investigated (or investigated at all). Given the complete lack of evidence of any wrongdoing, its reasonable to ask - why?

[lovemydog]

37. "Hey you friggin' moron...

Hillary Clinton has worked hard for working families her entire adult life."

Or some variation, perhaps without the 'you friggin' moron' part.

[librechik]

39. ask them to prove it. They shrink to mere nubs

not that it will change their so-called minds. Troglodytes.