something surprising--lefties voting for T**** ??

[ginnyinWI]

(I have resolved not to mention or type his name through the election)

Anyway, a distant relative (son in law of my brother in law) is a Bernie supporter, and states on Facebook that he is voting for T. because Hillary is a war hawk and would only start more and more wars. He says T. would be more isolationist, and give foreign wars over to Putin, but "at least it wouldn't be us doing it".

He acknowledges that the wars will go on, and that meanwhile T. will wreck our domestic economy, but "he will be impeached immediately after taking office", so no worries!

I'm wondering how many others are actually going to go to the dark side for fear of voting for Hillary and her more "hawkish" tendencies. It's hard to believe!

[lonestarnot]

1. Maybe 10.

[ColemanMaskell]

8. What in the world does "maybe 10" mean in this context? -- Puzzled.

[JTFrog]

10. "I'm wondering how many others are actually going to go to the dark side for fear..." nt

[ColemanMaskell]

52. Thanks

[lonestarnot]

43. You wondered how many voters, I answered. Maybe 10.

[ColemanMaskell]

49. Well no, GinnyinWi wondered. What I did was fail to pick up on the question.

[still_one]

50. Isn't it a response to the OPs question, how many others would do this?

maybe 10

Implies not very many would do this, and that the vast majority of progressives would NEVER vote for Trump

[ColemanMaskell]

51. Yes, thank you. Yours is the third identical response to my question. I got it now.

[JoePhilly]

2. Sounds like a dope.

A dope who has adopted lies about Hillary as a way to justify burning down the world to save it.

[rug]

3. You do not prevent war by voting for idiocy.

[Cakes488]

4. How does he know he'll be impeached immediately? And what if he's not...

sounds like he really hasn't thought this through, hence his support for Trumphole.

[etherealtruth]

5. I can't fathom any liberal / "progressive/ "lefty" with any intelligence doing this

In the scenario outlined we would be stuck with Pence ... Pence is about as far right as one can be. I can't fathom any rational progressive voting for the short fingered vulgarian on the assumption a true far right nut-job will step in.

I can understand the attitude from those on the far right, unfortunately.

[ColemanMaskell]

6. So he wants Pence to be president?

btw, no need to type his name. Many creative substitutes can be found in these pages and on the larger Internet. Drumpf (archaic family name), Dumpster, -- Haven't seen Ducky but it would work (from NCIS Dr. Mallard's nickname) -- Tramp is another I haven't seen but would work -- Mickey's pal, Trumpkin (though that incorporates his name), the alleged unregistered sex offender, or just the Republican nominee.

[GWC58]

7. So this person has no problem with

President Pence!?! OMG!! These people have no fucking sense, none I tell ya!🙄

[Adrahil]

9. Ask him if he gives a shit about this country.

Trump will install an even MORE reactionary tax plan. He will roll back social progress. He will advance bigotry and hatred. Ask him if he gives a shit about any of that.

[Loki Liesmith]

11. Walking Brain Death: it's real and it's a problem.

[ColemanMaskell]

12. Try to convince him that Gary Johnson is a sounder choice.

At least it would deprive Trump of a vote.
I'd suggest Stein, but it sounds like he's probably motivated primarily by misogyny - you might ask his wife whether she's seen any other indications of that. Mind you I'd sooner vote for even Granholm (who I despise) than for Stein who works actively against HRC, but anything that takes a vote away from Trump goes in the plus column.

[ProfessorGAC]

13. This Seems To Fall Under The Category. . .

. . ."with friends like these...".

Sheesh is that stupid.

[TXCritter]

14. Your relative has proved one theory - BernieBro trump supporters are stupid.

So far all instances of BernieBros that support Trump fall in to three categories:

1) They are fairytales. They don't actually exist except in the minds of Trump supporters.

2) They are trolls who either never supported Bernie or won't actually support Trump. In the first case it's some pathetic right wing agenda. In the second case they are leftist purists trying to keep the flame alive or they really poorly informed and have never heard of Jill Stein.

3) They are delusional or stupid. Your relative looks like 50/50. ON the one hand he is apparently ignorant of the sociopathic narcissism so clearly prevalent in Trump which clearly belies his isolationist claim. On the other hand, the belief that Trump will be "impeached immediately" not only demonstrates an ignorance of the impeachment process but an irrational belief that the GOP will go along with any such maneuver sooner than 2019. (Which is to say, they might but the WILL try to work with him first).

[Proud Liberal Dem]

15. I have a FB friend and former Bernie supporter

voting for Trump because she believes that Hillary is hellbent on starting a war with Russia and doesn't believe that Trump means what he says when it comes to his boorish/aggressive comments. I've tried reasoning with her and asking about whether or not she is afraid of Trump's curiosity about utilizing our vast nuclear arsenal but, basically, she just really hates and loathes Hillary to the nth degree and won't listen to reason. Why that would take her all the way around the bend to voting for Trump I have no clue but it is what it is. Just as some people, even some on the left, became deranged with Obama hate, we seem to be seeing some of the same phenomena with Hillary.

[ginnyinWI]

22. same type of person.

More afraid of Hillary than anything. What doesn't make sense is that Bernie himself has endorsed her, so why are they holding out? They think they know better. And are in a bubble of self delusion.

[geek tragedy]

16. a small percentage of the left is actually crazy people using leftwing ideology to signal their

radicalization.

[JTFrog]

17. Sounds more like what was described as a "BernieBro" than a "leftist".

They polluted Bernie's campaign with unrestrained hatred of women. So of course they would turn to Trump. Seriously... how selfish and entitled does a guy have to be to call themselves a "leftist" and then say they are going to vote for all the racist, misogynistic, idiotic values that Trump stands for?

[ginnyinWI]

24. I had not heard that term before.

BernieBro.

Yeah it makes no sense to me either.

[Agnosticsherbet]

18. T**** "I love war." And his statements about using Nuclear weapons. What was that about "Warhawk?"

Wreck our domestic economy, Religous opposition to marriage equality, Trump and Pence opposition to abortion, Trump Supreme court Justices chosen to repeal Roe V Wade, Trump opposed to every progressive program in existence. So your friends opposition has nothing to do with progressive values.

The Constitution requires a 2/3rd vote in the Senate to uphold an impeachment, after a simple majority in house passes article impeachment. A Trump win would also mean the election went so badly that Republicans held onto the House and Senate, so this is just a pipe dream.

Since opposition to Clinton is not based on any rational or realistic criteria, I doubt that is why your friend opposes Hillary Clinton, but that is just my opinion.

[ginnyinWI]

28. I think so too.

He's just using any justification to be anti-Hillary. If you know anything about Madison, Wisconsin you will know it is very progressive/liberal, and he's got this idea that she isn't, and convinces himself that T. would be ineffective and not do much harm!

[Agnosticsherbet]

33. I forgot to mention T***** belief that being rich and powerful allows him to do anything he wants.

Sure, he said that about grabbing P****, but his actions show that is how he views everything. A man who thinks his wealth and power allows him to assault any woman's who has T*** that he likes or thinks he can walk into the dressing rooms of young women while they are N****, is a not qualified.
It has proven incredibly easy to install yes men who will do whatever the President wants. Look at the Bush administration or the Congress since 2010 to see the dangers of being ineffective.

[Jason1961]

19. Bernie Supporters

He can't possibly think that Trump is less likely to lead us into an unnecessary war than Hillary; I suspect he is still bitter.

A lot of Bernie Supporters think there is substance to the whole "Hillary cheated" or "Hillary got the debate questions in advance" crap coming out.

To my knowledge none of the leaks have been verified as accurate and the only reason the emails were hacked by the Russians was to help Trump; I imagine he's made certain guarantees to Putin that would only surface after he was elected.

If you want to try to reach him just tell him that Bernie has endorsed Hillary and he wouldn't endorse someone that cheated him or that would lead us into an unnecessary war.

[Iggo]

23. A lot?

Wow! That sounds like a lot!

[fishwax]

48. .

[awake]

25. Please stop painting these leftists nuts as "Bernie Supporters"

I was and still am a Bernie supporter and I am fallowing his lead and backing Hillary so please stop suggesting those of us who back Bernie are the problem.

[Lifelong Protester]

41. I agree with you, awake!

Drumpf could wreck a lot before he went....

[Ratty]

44. I no longer call them that

Divisive and untrue. If they're voting for Trump they most certainly aren't "Bernie supporters." Nowdays I refer to them as "Busters". Delusional is probably a better word though.

[Jason1961]

46. I stand corrected

Busters is far more accurate a term as true Bernie Supporters are now supporting Hillary 100%

The "Busters" refuse to listen to Bernie when he tells them anything they don't want to hear.

[pampango]

40. JPR attracted a lot of Bernie supporters but is turning pro-Trump, pro-Putin and anti-Bernie,

at least in the sense that Bernie himself is neither pro-Trump nor pro-Putin. Bernie gets thrown under the bus much more than Trump or Putin

I think most at JPR still consider themselves to be 'left' even if most of Trump's policy ideas (all vague, of course) are much more conservative than they are liberal.

In pro-Trump posts there you will often see a comment that "left and right don't matter anymore" which seems what a liberal would say to defend a voter for Trump. It is probably music to Trump's ears and ignores what his policies proposals actually are.

[Sunlei]

47. IMO many were republicans pretending to support sanders to lower clinton votes

I still support Sanders. I've always said Sanders is a benefit to the D party and would work with & back Clinton.

[CrispyQ]

21. And he thinks President Pence will be better than President Clinton?

Anyone who was a Bernie supporter and now support Trump, totally missed Bernie's message. Sheesh, the stupid - it's everywhere you don't want it to be.

[4lbs]

26. This would be the Susan Sarandon faction of the liberals.

The ones that want a shakeup, and if that means Trump gets elected so be it.

Sarandon was last seen pouting at the DNC.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/29/susan-sarandon-trump-might-be-better-for-america-than-hillary-clinton.html

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/03/susan_sarandon_hillary_clinton_more_dangerous_than_donald_trump/


Anyone ask her lately if she still feels that way, or is she still supporting that sexual assaulter Trump?

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

27. Supreme Court

would be in the hands of a lunatic.

[ronnie624]

29. Sounds like one of those silly internet stories one hears regularly.

No "lefties" in significant numbers, are voting for Trump, I'm sure.

[ginnyinWI]

31. no, not many, I agree

This is the thinking of some in progressive Madison, WI who were all out for Bernie earlier this summer and now just can't get on board with Hillary.

This is a real person who is very active politically. Educated, but in a bubble, IMO.

[awake]

35. A few of people who said they backed Bernie but turned tail when he asked them to back Hillary

Bernie is campaigning strongly for Hillary and most of his supporters are voting for Hillary as well!
There may be a handful of people who just want too "burn down the house" thinking that TRUMP would start a revolution destroying our Goverment and bringing on anarchy.

[-Steph-]

30. All of the Dems I personally know that supported Bernie in the primaries are not even considering

voting for that orange-faced cretin. They're all voting Hillary. So from my own personal experiences, this doesn't seem to be any kind of widespread thing.

[Gothmog]

32. Any Democrat voting directly or indirectly for Trump is no true democrat

We saw what happened when Nader gave W the win in 2000. We got the Iraq War, Citizens United and the gutting of the voting rights act. A vote for Stein, Johnson or Trump is a bad idea

[ginnyinWI]

37. no Dem, I agree.

Very anti-war and seeing both parties as essentially the same. But handing the government to a buffoon is not even caring about the future of our country.

[brush]

34. That sounds absolutely idiotic.

[beachbum bob]

36. Trump more likely to launch nuclear attack....

[beachbum bob]

38. Kiss gay rights good bye... environmental protections away..

[yesphan]

39. As so many do on social media,

he may just be stirring up some shit to see how many people will talk about it.

Mission accomplished.

[kimbutgar]

42. Same here can't write his name he is Cheeto to me when I comment

Not giving him another google hit.

My hubby has a friend who is voting for Cheeto because Hillary wants to start a war with Russia. He has some conspiracy friend who convinced him Hillary wants war with Russua. This guy was also a Bernie supporter.

[JHB]

45. Mickey Maoists who think we have to go off the deep end before...

...we'll get the "revolution" they want (not the political revolution Bernie talked about, undoing the damage of the Reagan Revolution, but a "real revolution" for "real socialism" ).

And histrionic dopes.

[ColemanMaskell]

53. Ask your Bernie-backstabber about Obama's Clean Power Plan to reduce greenhouse gas

Try this argument (from Paul Krugman) on your Pence-fond connection. He may no longer support Bernie's attempts to improve our mutual lot, but there is a chance he might care about the planet. It's worth a try.

Excerpt from Paul Krugman’s NYT column for 14 Oct ("The Clinton Agenda&quot :
. . .
a Democratic Senate . . . would, however, allow [the president] to fill the Supreme Court seat left vacant by the death of Antonin Scalia.

Doing that would have huge consequences, for environmental policy in particular. In his final years in office, President Obama has made a major environmental push using his regulatory powers, for example by sharply tightening emission standards for heavy trucks.

But the most important piece of his push — the Clean Power Plan, which would greatly reduce greenhouse gas emissions from coal-fired power plants — is currently on hold, thanks to a stay imposed by the Supreme Court. Democratic capture of the Senate would remove this roadblock.

And bear in mind that climate change is by far the most important issue facing America and the world, even if the people selecting questions for the presidential debates for some reason refuse to bring it up. Quite simply, if Democrats take the Senate, we might take the minimum action needed to avoid catastrophe; if they don’t, we won’t.

----------- end of quoted excerpt. Read more at the NYT website. ------------
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/opinion/the-clinton-agenda.html?

[zipplewrath]

54. Battleground state?

I tend to find that these folks aren't in a battleground state. That results in a freedom to make "conscience votes", or protest votes. Basically that is voting so they don't feel responsible for the outcome. It means they can go out afterwards and buy a "don't blame me, I voted for..." bumper sticker. Those of us in battleground states have some far more serious thinking to do about our votes.

[ohnoyoudidnt]

55. If he is really a lefty, he should really be concerned

about the Supreme Court. If Trump is impeached like he believes will happen, does he think our military actions in other countries will really diminish? And then we end up with a conservative court for who knows how long.

[David__77]

56. I understand the reasoning.

I also don't agree with it. Such reasoning might even work out sometimes- perhaps at a very high cost, in my opinion.

[GulfCoast66]

57. Please. Predictable type

-white
-employed and well paid
-hipster in the sense that he despises those who are not as cool as him. Like blacks, immigrants and blue collar workers
-liked Bernie because all the cool dudes his age did.
-not used to losing. Got trophies for 4th place and losing sends him off the rails...kind of like the person he will vote for.

Bernie and his supporters have become stalwarts in electing Hillary. I like the guy more than ever. And I always liked him.

Guys like the dick in the 'concern story' are as rare as people of color supporting the trumpster fire.

And it is hard to believe

[AgadorSparticus]

58. A bunch of bullshit excuses. Some men just don't have the balls to say they can't bring themselves

To vote for a woman. Plain and simple.

[JTFrog]

59. Very true.

I have a really good friend who started out saying he wouldn't vote for Hillary because of her Iraq war vote. We talked, I asked a lot of questions, asked if that was the biggest reason he couldn't vote for her etc... He said it was the line drawn in the sand.

So then we started talking about how hard he campaigned for John Kerry....

Yeah, maybe that will sink in someday.