God save me from my stupid, conservative family members.

[prarie deem]

My idiot great niece, who lives in Oklahoma and is a typical right wing extremist just posted a photo of a Wikileaks page claiming it showed that Hillary started ISIS. When I read the page it was Podesta's note that they needed to put pressure on Saudi Arabia and other countries who were supporting ISIS -but she reads it and thinks it means they need to put pressure on them to support ISIS. Christ on a Cracker - how do we share the same DNA?? I know she is stupid - but she is a high school graduate and basic reading comprehension ought to be within her grasp.

Sorry - I just needed somewhere to vent.

[Zynx]

1. Well, Oklahoma is just positively terrible.

[Egnever]

4. I wouldn't go that far

Lots of really nice folks in OK. It is the heart of the bible belt though.

[BigDemVoter]

36. But I think it is the ONLY state in which NOT one county went for Obama?

[Laffy Kat]

32. We spent a week there one day.

We were driving through and had to make a few stops. What is it with all the smokers? Good God, I swear EVERY person over the age of about 16 was smoking. The highways were horrible. We swore we'd go out of our way to avoid OK in the future. This was twenty years ago. Never went back. In all honesty, though, certain parts of Colorado are horrible, too. All states have their warts.

[Angry Dragon]

2. some people just have trouble connecting the dots

and Bush was the one that created the vacuum that paved the way for ISIS

[prarie deem]

3. Yes they are.

I have realized in this election that I truly am a snob. I really have no patience for the ramblings of misinformed morons. I know I should be tolerant but I swear - voting for him seems to me like standing up for animal abuse, or child molestation or being pro pollution. It is not just that I disagree - I am horrified that anyone could take this stand. I have got to find a way to not dismiss these people because I know that accomplishes nothing, but I am finding it difficult verging on impossible.

[Egnever]

5. I think you are going to be quite pleased with the results come election day

all the noise and bluster will be stripped away then and I think we are about to witness america stand up and thoroughly reject Cheeto Jesus.

[prarie deem]

14. Your mouth to God's ears -

I just wish those two outlier polls would quit showing him squeaking this out. It makes me crazy nervous.

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. Which polls show him squeaking this out?

[leftynyc]

52. Today there are ZERO polls

showing him with a lead. Get a good night's sleep.

[hlthe2b]

20. Are you going to try and reason with/inform them?

[RKP5637]

27. Same feelings here. The guy is literally a monster, I just don't get it that some

are so damn brainwashed they can't comprehend what he's all about. I guess they would have been super enthusiastic about Hitler too, FFS.

[BigDemVoter]

37. Same here

My parents live in a very red state, but thankfully THEY are liberal. My parents are friends with a couple I've known since I was small, and I'm middle aged now. I had never thought of this couple as being particularly conservative, but I did notice that they reacted in a strange way the first time I was there with my partner. In fact, it's not that they behaved strangely; they were fucking RUDE.

I just found out this couple is voting for the Orange Shit Gibbon, and I'm not the slightest bit surprised. I have two words for them and EVERYBODY else voting for Cheeto, and it is-- FUCK YOU.

[The Polack MSgt]

41. The only program the GOP ran in the last 25 years that was even partially successful -

Was the nonstop witch hunt/smear fest against Secretary Clinton.

They are a steaming barrel of fail at every other they attempt

[Warpy]

6. She is surrounded by people who feed her nothing but shit

When somebody outside her tight little group of shit spewers points out it's shit, she will get defensive and very upset.

Unless she gets the hell out of Oklahoma, this is the way it's going to be for her. Feel sorry for her. Do what you can to open her eyes, but realize she'll resist the effort and won't thank you if you do succeed.

DNA isn't everything. It only programs the limits of what we can be. Environment shapes who we are.

[rurallib]

7. My wife had a facebook friend in Oklahoma

She posted a really egregious RW anti-Hillary pic last week.
Mrs. Lib asked me for a bit of help.

I don't know if they are still "friends" but I am guessing she will think twice before posting that crap again.

[Warpy]

10. Another reason I don't have a Farcebook account

People talk about being contacted by people from high school, from their past. Well, my high school past was in Dixie, so I know about what most of them would have to say and no thanks.

I cured my high blood pressure. I want to keep it cured.

[hlthe2b]

21. Ditto... Better to think of the truly ignorant as strangers and not to find they are those we know

(and perhaps, previously respected).

[manicraven]

24. I dumped my FB account, too.

Too frustrating!

[apcalc]

28. Me too. I reactivate or log on for happy birthdays. That's it.

[PJMcK]

12. Can you share your advice?

Thanks, if it's not prying into your marriage.

[rurallib]

29. it wasn't advice, she just asked me to respond to the post and following posts

Mrs. Lib is not as political as I am.
After about an hour of back and forth - I kept asking for links that would verify the stories of the murders and corruption she accused Clinton of. I told her as liberals we dealt with reality, that the accusations against Trump had a ring of reality based on the priest scandals from a few years back.

After saying about three times that her reality was different she finally let out a gasp and said - "we must just agree to disagree" and dropped off.

I told my wife to unfriend her - they are just some people we met years back.

I do have a facebook account, but only look at the entries of two people and the get off. Almost nothing political - I save that for here.

[PJMcK]

30. Thanks for your response

It's always helpful to hear how others deal with the brain-dead among us.

[progressoid]

43. " agree to disagree"

That's exactly how someone responded to a discussion I had on Facebook too! He couldn't defend his ridiculous statements about Obama so we were supposed to agree to disagree. What a cop out.

Needless to say we are no longer "friends".

[Lucinda]

8. I know the feeling. They've been fed so much crap from the alt-right haters

funneled through the media, that they think they know what truth is. It's both sad and infuriating.

[jbond56]

9. When you enter Ok from Texas there are signs that say "If you can read this turn around" -nt

[prarie deem]

11. OK jbond56 -

I didn't think that anything would make me laugh after this little confrontation, but you succeeded.

[OncoRN]

13. Same here

I know and feel your pain. I have family who are to the right. A male cousin, who considers himself a police officer when he's only a corrections officer aka jail guard, posts the most uninformed racist posts on fb. My husband gets pissed but I just shrug it off and ignore him. The other day he had a post that said racism in America was dead until Obama. I just take a deep breath and move on. But like you, how do we share the same DNA? Well, we don't. I get my liberal side, I believe, from my father's side. He shares my mother's DNA with me. DNA doesn't matter but you would think since we both grew up in the same lifestyle right next door to each other we'd have some similarities. I've resigned myself to very little fb time lately. Fb makes me lose faith in humanity. Stay strong!

[prarie deem]

17. Always -

fought against St. Reagan for 8 years - so I hope I can handle this twerp for the next two weeks (hopefully).

[OncoRN]

19. I remember be a kid a challenging my family over Reagan

We will be celebrating soon. But sadly we can't change minds of those we care about.

[wryter2000]

18. Welcome to DU

I discovered you can unfollow people on FB without unfriending them. That way their tripe doesn't show up on your timeline, but they don't feel unfriended. It's saved me a lot of headaches.

[OncoRN]

22. Thanks!

I have tried the unfollow option but he still keeps popping up on my notifications. Maybe I did it wrong? I hate to unfriend. I feel mean doing that.

[wryter2000]

25. I don't understand FB all that well

I don't know why posts would show up in your notifications unless he's doing it in a group you follow. Good luck.

[TrishaJ]

15. She is reading the email

to say what she has already been told - that Hillary started ISIS.

I have the same type of relatives.

[Skittles]

16. It is not her interpretation

it is what she hears from the conservative whackjob media

[manicraven]

23. I'm with you on this!

We have rifts in our family since GWB/Cheney, which became worse when President Obama came into office, and they only deepened even more with Trump. My brother would actually send me racist comics, even though he's married to a minority and knows full well I supported (and still support) the President. Meanwhile, my nephews post bogus right-wing extremist, anti-Clinton crap on Facebook and have begun wearing guns. They're all very suspicious and intolerant of "other" people, too, though they're supposedly good Christians. It's very frustrating!

[treestar]

26. That's extreme!

It's amazing how they want to think a thing and tailor everything around that to that point.

I have right wing relatives doing that too. False equivalencies everywhere. And of course they all claim to be smart.

[Missn-Hitch]

31. Great post!

Excellent vent.

However, I do identify some of my family members as caught up in their environment. I know deep down they really don't support the orange menace - it's kind of like local group think.

Just this past weekend, I got a family member second guessing. I just kept asking him about "specifics" of his own disdain for "big government". Of course, there was no cogent response. His wife, my niece, keeps politics to herself but I know deep down where her heart and mind are. It's a kind of *wink, wink*.

BUT, some family members - they are too far gone.

You are not alone.

[Dreamer Tatum]

33. I don't think I would go on a message board to talk crap about family members. nt

[ProfessorGAC]

34. I Would

Why not? Need a place to vent? DU seems like a good place.

What i wouldn't do is scold someone who is on the same side.

Perspectives differ.

[Dreamer Tatum]

35. Sorry to miss the bootclick

Will be sure to point out noncompliant family to the authorities from now on.

[prarie deem]

46. I guess I don't think it is talking crap.

Also - better to me to vent to like minded politicos than to lose my temper and tell her she is an idiot.

[leftynyc]

54. Why not?

It's all anonymous and DU gives us a friendly place to vent. What's the problem?

[Dreamer Tatum]

56. No problem at al. Can I talk crap about yours, too? nt

[leftynyc]

57. Now you're changing the argument

(like people who are losing an argument love to do). This isn't someone trashing someone else's family - they're venting about their own (and you know it). But if you think an anonymous poster on the internet talking about my family would mean anything to me, you'd be very wrong.

[qwlauren35]

38. If you don't mind me asking...

do you know why they are voting for Trump?

We're going to have to find a way to work together on November 9th, so it might be good to understand where they are coming from.

[prarie deem]

47. Probably the main reason

is she is a vehement pro life Catholic. She married into a conservative catholic family and is one of those women who totally immerses herself in her husband's world and beliefs.

What she says publicly is that HRC is a liar and misused emails. I have given up trying to explain the deal about the emails and she does not believe anything I dispute even though I use facts and documentation to do so.

She lives in the bubble.

[qwlauren35]

48. Pro-life is a black/white reason.

She would have no choice but to vote Republican.

[retrowire]

39. somebody told her what it meant

Done!

[Saphire]

40. Your not alone. We have some okie relatives, too. Happens

to the best of us.

[OkSustainAg]

44. If the dnc would

start showing a presence in OK things would change. Stop running republicanesque candidates on the democratic ticket.

[LeftInTX]

49. My family is very polarized politically

My sister is fairly involved with liberal causes professionally. My dad is outspoken the other way. We used to have battles at dinner during the Vietnam War. It went on and on every night, even after the war ended. (My dad served in Vietnam(66-67) when I was 10 years old, so it really sucked) He would be rubbing it in and it hurt. No consideration to what it did to us kids.

It's best just to avoid politics with her and change the subject if she brings it up. You aren't going to change her. Nobody can change my dad. I just ignore his politics.

[barbtries]

50. without sharing your opinion of her IQ,

you could point out the error. worth a try eh?

i've been going back and forth with the son of one of my oldest and dearest friends. i'm getting nowhere with him but other people read the threads too. we're maintaining civility so far.

[appleannie1]

51. Just be glad she does not think God sent Trump to save the world.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

55. Thanksgiving Dinner should hold great conversations this year. nt