General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMichael Moore in Trumpland, and my opinion and feedback---please read if you are interested in it
Trumpland
First, let me put out to you I am a fan of Michael Moore since he first came out with Roger and Me. In my movie collection there is a special shelf for his work, and if ever I can find a way to corner him and propose I will do so. I have been single since I was divorced at age 33, and that was just the right length of time ago for me to consider trying marriage one more time, and this time to the right person.
Now: Trumpland.
I think it's a little over an hour. Seems like 15 minutes. You buy it on itunes for about 5 bucks, and then you have it in your library.
The brilliance, like in all his work, is how he carefully, humorously and with deadly aim makes his points. The path to his ultimate end of: "No matter how you feel about Hillary you have one vote and one conscience and one responsibility: get in your car, hold the right hand with your left if necessary (or vice versa) and vote for her" Your life and your country depends on it, is a path where he includes a clip of what the first 30 days or so would be like in a Trump administration, and he likens it to Brexit and a potential American desperation to undo the vote.
He says he has not voted for Hillary, (Bernie fan) or Bill (Nader). He says, as he stands there in front of splendid photos that are billboards of the Hillary we know in her youth and activism, that she may not even see his show (though, somebody, surely, will give her a copy he muses).
He leans in hard into an audience of pro Trump people in a town that has very few Democrats, and he makes all the points and hears their pain of why they want change and why they want a rebel like Trump to bring it about. He brings Pope Francis into the picture, reminds us of all the cardinals who voted for him and little did they know they were unleashing a revolution of positive and unprecedented change that had lain dormant. And he says it is possible our vote for Hillary may bring about similar potentialities, and he names them.
And then he encourages the haters of Hillary to find a good hair on her, and manages to slowly but surely in a brilliant and unobtrusive way to start the stoned faced audience to relax and start smiling. Then he takes them through Hillary Clinton's hard times as a first lady and reminds them of all the scandals and persecutions she has come through, all the while looking out for us, the American people. He shows them how tough she was to kill Vince Foster by jacking up the car before breakfast, writing that suicide note, placing it in his hand, and arriving at the White House without ever being missed. He shows how she was in Estonia as FLOTUS interviewing doctors on their phenomenal record of low infant births in order to bring that skill to the US of A and how it all was dug under the rug and destroyed by the hatred of those who had no alternative but chastized her for doing a job she was not elected for.
Slowly but surely Michael Moore has them eating out of his hand.
Please
do yourself a 5 dollar favor, and see this film. I showed it to my grandson (24) tonight and he was very moved at the end.
The very end, where Michael Moore says: let's dig up Vince Foster and kill him again, and allow her to be the tough first lady we need and she has been waiting to be.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Wow. um. Were infant births a problem?
Mira
(22,380 posts)in North Carolina where I live, they still are.
Mira
(22,380 posts)it was infant deaths at birth. I was on a roll, should have been more careful
Anything else you need clarification on or that I missed?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That bit just sort of brought my thought process to a screeching halt.
Like, why would infants be having births, or was it they had made some dramatic decrease to their birth rate.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)But with reincarnation, they're the same thing anyway.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)not sure if that is still the case. The poor don't have ready access to prenatal care.
manicraven
(901 posts)It was extremely well done and Michael Moore was brave to do this. Loved that he received a standing ovation! I'm wondering if he changed any minds and votes of the audience members?
brer cat
(24,545 posts)Mira
(22,380 posts)believe me, it's a masterpiece for the times we are in and the folks we need to impact.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)As we know seeds that accidentally fall under the snow can at times sprout
JI7
(89,244 posts)Festivito
(13,452 posts)<iframe width="560" height="315" src="
" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe><iframe width="560" height="315" src="" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)And I'm sure they had their arms crossed when they left.
Good go mike Moore, but I don't think it made a difference. I hope I'm wrong.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)Mike Moore surely did not connect. These people are beyond reason. It would be like convincing me to vote for Trump.
They are cultists, and I live in the real world.
treestar
(82,383 posts)He is just talking to an audience and saying stupid stuff.
Mira
(22,380 posts)He is playing them like a fiddle - a masterful set up is underway
treestar
(82,383 posts)Deplorable in 1998 admitting Hillary is a good woman!
Egnever
(21,506 posts)You would have to believe all the nonsense he is spewing to get anything more than a bad taste in your mouth from that.
From the start he was wrong. How many Hillary people in the crowd ..it was the majority of the crowd and then he tried to pretend it was all Trump folks.
Sorry I found it completely insulting.
dembotoz
(16,797 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)It was only pissing me off.
Right from the get go it sucked. Relegating "Mexicans" to nose bleed seats and then saying they were all the same when a woman said she was from Bolivia .
No thanks .
His comparisons were simplistic and ridiculous.
Michael Moore has a place but that was a crapfest from the get go.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Entertaining, funny and pointed. His wit, though a wee bit too acerbic for me, is a wonderful proxy for many things I stop myself from saying aloud.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Like he was making goals for Hillary she would not have the power to meet. I doubt she could let all convicts of minor drug offenses out of jail by executive order.
And if she does not do all on his list, he is running! Though he tries to make that funny.
I enjoyed hearing her youthful voice. We women's voices change over the years! He played her speech from Wellesley.
Auggie
(31,156 posts)I think the world of Moore, but he was out of his element here. Waste of $5 to me.
napi21
(45,806 posts)deplorables and MAYBE he did a few. I laughed when he used the same argument regarding gay marriage & abortions as I always do. If you hate abortions..DON'T HAVE ONE! If you hate gay marriage...DON'T GET GAY MARRIED! Even made a joke that if you do gat gay married, it won't work, you'll hate it and it will end in gay divorce. Then he said "Wait! They legalized gay marriage but forgot to legalize gay divorce!"