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babylonsister

(171,032 posts)
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 07:43 PM Oct 2016

All defendants in the Oregon standoff found not guilty

HUH???

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/all-defendants-in-the-oregon-standoff-found-not-guilty/#.WBKP7zcQ78U.facebook

All defendants in the Oregon standoff found not guilty
Reuters
27 Oct 2016 at 19:31 ET


A federal court jury on Wednesday acquitted anti-government militant leader Ammon Bundy and six followers of conspiracy charges stemming from their role in the armed takeover of a U.S. wildlife center in Oregon earlier this year.

Bundy and others, including his brother and co-defendant Ryan Bundy, cast the 41-day occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge as a legitimate and patriotic act of civil disobedience. Prosecutors called it a lawless scheme to seize federal property by force.

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All defendants in the Oregon standoff found not guilty (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2016 OP
WHAT?? canetoad Oct 2016 #1
Damned if I know; here's another link... babylonsister Oct 2016 #2
I posted 3 or 4 times in the past two weeks about a pain in my gut over this happening. n/t UTUSN Oct 2016 #3
Guilty Verdicts had to be unanimous so one juror could have done this underpants Oct 2016 #4
Wouldn't that be a mistrial? Nye Bevan Oct 2016 #7
Could be underpants Oct 2016 #12
Yes it is Travis_0004 Oct 2016 #29
They were hung on one charge, but voted to acquit on all others. Yo_Mama Oct 2016 #24
White and armed occupation, Mendocino Oct 2016 #5
THIS 100% Runningdawg Oct 2016 #8
Yep. dalton99 Oct 2016 #9
UN-liscensed guard dogs at that!!! sagetea Oct 2016 #10
I guess we should expect more and probably from the thug gang of Bundys meadowlark5 Oct 2016 #6
Bad bad bad message being sent by this. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2016 #20
It is - no consequences meadowlark5 Oct 2016 #32
Yep... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #41
WTF? malaise Oct 2016 #11
did you see THIS bit???? dixiegrrrrl Oct 2016 #25
These goddam precious white snowflakes! Lars39 Oct 2016 #13
Meanwhile..If you are a Native American SHRED Oct 2016 #14
The water protectors are being shot at with rubber bullets NightWatcher Oct 2016 #16
must have been a jury of Trumpers nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #17
Wow, they got lucky. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #19
"The defendants also were unanimously acquitted of illegal possession of firearms... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #21
They had an unusually large pool to pick jurors from JonLP24 Oct 2016 #27
Jury nullification. rug Oct 2016 #22
So is there any recourse that you know of? nt babylonsister Oct 2016 #26
No, that's it. rug Oct 2016 #28
Thanks. This is incomprehensible to me. nt babylonsister Oct 2016 #31
Oh, no NBachers Oct 2016 #30
it is now a matter of judical precidence in this country........ Takket Oct 2016 #33
Yep. And screw any laws that prohibit guns on government grounds. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #34
That doesn't work for the poor or minorities... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #43
how long until armed whites occupy buildings in predominately black neighborhoods to prevent Takket Oct 2016 #37
How many millions of dollars sorefeet Oct 2016 #38
If they were black???? sheshe2 Oct 2016 #39
i would love to see... Takket Oct 2016 #40
Takket. sheshe2 Oct 2016 #42
No truer words. dalton99 Oct 2016 #50
This country just died. jmowreader Oct 2016 #44
Holy Fuck progressoid Oct 2016 #45
Who decides if it is a jury trial? Jim Beard Oct 2016 #48
Everyone is allowed a jury trial Travis_0004 Oct 2016 #53
Remember how they got Al Capone. roamer65 Oct 2016 #49
White wing gun nuts will celebrate. Hoyt Oct 2016 #51
WTF!!! burrowowl Oct 2016 #52
Go her to take action burrowowl Oct 2016 #54
Dec 1969 #

underpants

(182,604 posts)
4. Guilty Verdicts had to be unanimous so one juror could have done this
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 07:48 PM
Oct 2016

Weren't there pictures of them WITH guns?

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
29. Yes it is
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:36 PM
Oct 2016

Not guilty requires all jurors to vote not guilty. Even even one did not agree, its a hung jury and a mistrial. At that point it can be retried. If most jurors vote guilty, a retrial is more likely. If most vote not guilty, its less likely.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
24. They were hung on one charge, but voted to acquit on all others.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:25 PM
Oct 2016

So this is the work of ALL the jurors.

Mendocino

(7,482 posts)
5. White and armed occupation,
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 07:51 PM
Oct 2016

no sweat. Peaceful protest by Native Americans, send in the stormtroopers and their dogs.

sagetea

(1,366 posts)
10. UN-liscensed guard dogs at that!!!
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:01 PM
Oct 2016

The difference is one group had guns, one has feathers and sage smoke...they fear one when really they should fear the other.


Thank you, Mendocino, for mentioning Standing Rock!


Ho`

sage

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
6. I guess we should expect more and probably from the thug gang of Bundys
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 07:53 PM
Oct 2016

Talk about no consequences. Permission for this to happen again. Not just by the Bundys but any militant nut.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
41. Yep...
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 09:25 PM
Oct 2016

now, the next time, LE will have to take the site by force, or these buffoons will walk again.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
25. did you see THIS bit????
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:26 PM
Oct 2016
the coda to the stunning verdict, undoubtedly a significant blow to federal prosecutors, was when Ammon Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford argued that his client, dressed in a gray suit and white dress shirt, should be allowed to walk out of the court, a free man.

U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown told him that there was a U.S. Marshal's hold on him from a pending federal indictment in Nevada.

"If there's a detainer, show me,'' Mumford stood, arguing before U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown.

Suddenly, a group of about six U.S. Marshals surrounded Mumford at his defense table and grabbed on to him.

"What are you doing?'' Mumford yelled, as he struggled and was taken down to the floor.

As deputy marshals yelled, "Stop resisting,'' the judge demanded, "Everybody out of the courtroom now!''

Mumford was taken into custody, a member of his legal team confirmed.

Ammon Bundy's lawyer J. Morgan Philpot, said afterwards on the courthouse steps that Mumford had been arrested and a taser had been used on him. That could not be independently confirmed.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_verdicts_annou.html
 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
14. Meanwhile..If you are a Native American
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:12 PM
Oct 2016
Developing: 100+ Militarized Police Raiding #NoDAPL Resistance Camp Blocking Pipeline’s Path


http://m.democracynow.org/web_exclusives/3051

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
21. "The defendants also were unanimously acquitted of illegal possession of firearms...
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:22 PM
Oct 2016

... in a federal facility."



Did the prosecutors give the defenders free reign to pick the jurors or something?!

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
27. They had an unusually large pool to pick jurors from
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:31 PM
Oct 2016

According to Wiki.

Judge Brown previously said the case would require an unusually large jury pool.[189]

She briefly addressed jury selection for the case, and noted it would require an unusually large pool.
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/malheur-refuge-occupiers-court-date-set-for-sept-7/

On August 3, about 1,500 potential jurors were summoned and asked to complete questionnaires that would be reviewed by the attorneys and parties involved in the September 7, 2016, trials.[192] Judge Brown previously said the case would require an unusually large jury pool.[189] The defense will focus on the argument that the federal government doesn't actually have jurisdiction of federal land, as they lost the right to own the land inside of Oregon once it became a stat
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

Takket

(21,528 posts)
33. it is now a matter of judical precidence in this country........
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:44 PM
Oct 2016

that an armed citizen can seize and occupy a government facility at their will.

every homeless person in this country to take over government buildings and refuse to leave since it is legal now. no sense sleeping on the streets anymore.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
43. That doesn't work for the poor or minorities...
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 09:30 PM
Oct 2016

because the cops will either beat the hell out of them and charge them with assault on an officer (at best) or kill them outright.

Takket

(21,528 posts)
37. how long until armed whites occupy buildings in predominately black neighborhoods to prevent
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 09:08 PM
Oct 2016

blacks from voting? this is now deemed an acceptable form of protest and perfectly legal.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
38. How many millions of dollars
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 09:09 PM
Oct 2016

did this fiasco cost the American tax payer. Now will the Bundy boys be able to sue the Feds??? Will the family of the guy they shot get to sue. Will the tax payer be libel for millions more to a Bundy retirement fund.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
39. If they were black????
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 09:11 PM
Oct 2016

They would have been shot and killed within minutes.

The Bundies....not so much. Now set free.

Amerika.







Yes, white men with privilege take what they want. Whether it be Bundy taking land for grazing with out paying for the right or Trump grabbing a P**sy at will. Because he can. I am so incredibly angry right now.

The men on the right believe their manhood gives them rights others do not deserve, 'cause they be white and a black man a person of color is less than a man.

They are wrong.



Takket

(21,528 posts)
40. i would love to see...
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 09:16 PM
Oct 2016

a black, a muslim, a woman and a Latino person all get together with assault rifles and take over a government building just as a social experiment for their treatment to show the hypocrisy in the system.

unfortunately they would all be sentenced to life in prison, so its not worth the risk.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
42. Takket.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 09:26 PM
Oct 2016

They all would have been murdered at the site and never made it to court...let alone life in prison.

Painful.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
44. This country just died.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 09:38 PM
Oct 2016

The last chance law and order has to survive will come in the Nevada trial. The sovereign citizens cannot win.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
48. Who decides if it is a jury trial?
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 10:24 PM
Oct 2016

Why did they have to try all of them at the same time on the same charges? Surely not all of them committed the exact same crimes.

This all or none is now good.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
53. Everyone is allowed a jury trial
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 11:52 PM
Oct 2016

Its guaranteed in the 6th amendment. In a lot of cases the defense can waive it for a bench trial.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
49. Remember how they got Al Capone.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 10:30 PM
Oct 2016

Income tax evasion.

Have patience and confidence. We the people aren't done with these scumbags yet.

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