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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAngry Trumpers Screwed Themselves.
Blue collar, middle class and lower class voters who have been economically screwed did it to themselves. A lot of them are anti labor, anti government and anti union. They disparage the institutions that would have helped them. They have bought into the racism, misogyny and bigotry that has them believing that brown people and gays screwed them.
So many of them have voted for the GOP and kept them in power enough to trash these workers. Their bible and their guns are more important than having a good job. Even union members vote GOP because of social issues. Their religion also overrules voting for anyone but a GOPPER.
Now they support their economic executioner. Trump will make matters for these people worse.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)above mentioned folks. These same folks are the Reagan Democrats who would never except reality.
Uben
(7,719 posts)...building a damned wall.....and then he'll stiff them on payday. It's what he does!
dawg
(10,624 posts)many of the Trump supporters aren't actually all that poor.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)I see lots of low class people with money these days.
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)and seeing lots of changes in the world vs longing for a past that they imagine was better.
A lot of the rapid social progress we've seen recently just baffles Trumpers. Everything from gays and transgender rights to womens rights and the fact that minorities have been born in the US and are US citizens. Life is different and Trumpers don't like it.
That's why Trump's slogan resonates with them. They think progress is bad for them.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)jmowreader
(50,553 posts)History shows that when a wannabe dictator like Trump takes power, one of his first acts is to start grabbing guns.
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)I thought President Obama took them all already.
ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)That way they couldn't claim he took ALL of them.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)printed in Russian
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)gays, blacks, Mexicans, women, public employees, unions, ...
everyone but the people actually screwing them.
Ligyron
(7,627 posts)among other states.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)We are now the northernmost southern state.
Bobcat
(246 posts)Trump campaigns in Ohio and Pennsylvania telling people he will bring jobs back - even specifically mentioning the steel mills. And laid-off steel workers cheer the man who built three of his towers with Chinese steel and aluminum. Idiocracy has won the day!
judesedit
(4,437 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)what did I miss? sounds like yall have already started teh wake
ladym55
(2,577 posts)I was handing out Democratic sample ballots at our early voting location. Every African-American took our ballot with a smile and thank you. Sadly that was not the case for all the white folks. Maybe two-thirds turned us down--many with a sneer. This was especially the case white male voters in trucks (yes, they did a great job this afternoon feeding the stereotype) and elderly voters in older American cars. At one point, we saw an elderly lady enter the lot in an old Buick. My companion said to me, "What makes me think she will turn us down?"
She was right. The elderly lady said, "Oh, no. I don't want THAT ballot!"
So she went in and voted for people who will be more than happy to cut her Social Security and her Medicare. We have a toxic mix of angry and uneducated whites and white "Christians" who vote exactly as their pastor tells them. Apparently, ol' pastor is cool with the orange dude with three wives, a history of sexual assault, a history of cheating the people who worked with him, and a habit of lying every time he opens his mouth.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 4, 2016, 08:36 PM - Edit history (1)
this F150 driving 48 YO white male was smiling in line while waiting to vote for HRC
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)Good on ya!
ladym55
(2,577 posts)You aren't the one I'm worrying about. It's the fine folks who sneered and said pointedly, "No, THANK YOU!"
cwydro
(51,308 posts)jaxind
(1,074 posts)Let's just say Trump gets elected, and things get worse for those in his base, the sad thing is that they won't even see that it's Trump and the other Rethugs that are responsible for them being worse off! Just like those who voted in Bush W, don't see how things got a whole lot worse for this country because of him! Do you think any of them have buyer's remorse because they voted for Bush W?? No, they don't!
kcr
(15,315 posts)History has never shown that to be true.
vi5
(13,305 posts)Dems have obviously been better on labor issues, but they've tried to thread the needle in such a way that they still get labor donations and support but don't piss off large business and corporations.
Trying to have it both ways has cost us support of non-racist blue collar workers.
I know more than a few friends and family who aren't racist but are second or third generation blue collar/labor/manufacturing types who just feel that both sides have left them behind by letting big corporations get away with murder (sometimes literally). Their rationale in supporting Trump is that at least he's saying the right things about putting the American worker first, even if he doesn't end up doing anything about it. Their feeling is that for them, it can't really get worse.
I don't agree with them, but if we had better messaging and stopped trying to have it both ways we might not be in such dire straits right now electorally.
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)I supported Bernie during the primary, in part because I thought that Hillary would immediately run center-right on economic issues once she had the nomination sewn up. Much to my pleasant surprise, she has not, and now I firmly believe that if she agreed with Big Business as often as I feared she did before/during the primary, she would be catapulting the RW orthodoxy free market propaganda right now, knowing that labor has nowhere else to go. She is not. She seems to have taken the issues that Bernie supporters brought to the table to heart. I had the distinct pleasure of voting for Hillary yesterday.
Even if Hillary is stonewalled by a Republican House, she will still do light years more for labor than any Republican.
vi5
(13,305 posts)The party as a whole seriously needs to reevaluate how it does business (no pun intended). We may dodge a major bullet in this "change" election despite having the epitome of an establishment candidate but we can only hold back this tide for so long.
Playing both sides and trying to thread an ever narrowing needle is not going to cut it.