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angrychair

(8,686 posts)
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 02:39 PM Nov 2016

MSNBC: Trump has no internal polling

Marc Caputo, a Florida pollster for Politico, just stated that the Trump campaign has no internal polling as they have refused to pay their polling company and they owe that company over $800,000 dollars (updated to reflect numbers from Vanity Fair article - thanks Napi21). The campaign is almost completely relying on publicly available polls and only those that favor their position.

Edit to add Washington Post link about Pollster:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/31/donald-trump-is-refusing-to-pay-his-campaign-pollster-nearly-three-quarters-of-a-million-dollars/

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MSNBC: Trump has no internal polling (Original Post) angrychair Nov 2016 OP
That's unlikely... Is there a link? nt Chichiri Nov 2016 #1
I agree unlikely, especially with Kellyann Conway as campaign manager. tammywammy Nov 2016 #3
My guess is Bannon's running the campaign rather than Conway emulatorloo Nov 2016 #6
That makes sense LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #16
Not for this person as it was just said on MSNBC angrychair Nov 2016 #8
POLITICO reporter, link to a tweet here emulatorloo Nov 2016 #19
Well vadermike Nov 2016 #2
He probably got rid of his pollster cause he didn't like adigal Nov 2016 #32
deadbeat don Motley13 Nov 2016 #4
Caputo was wrong RandySF Nov 2016 #5
Not according to my digging angrychair Nov 2016 #10
Apparently not emulatorloo Nov 2016 #20
two words: ground game ericson00 Nov 2016 #7
All he ever had was yard signs Rose Siding Nov 2016 #24
And those stupid hats QED Nov 2016 #25
Same here with the yard signs Lindalouuu Nov 2016 #29
They probably didn't give him the "right" poll numbers ginnyinWI Nov 2016 #9
He stuffed his primary pollster, so likely is blackballed bettyellen Nov 2016 #12
Pollsters not paid doesn't appear to havr any connection to KellyAnn. napi21 Nov 2016 #13
"administrative issue that we’re resolving internally.” central scrutinizer Nov 2016 #22
The Good Guys Will Probably Win This Time Around, But Vogon_Glory Nov 2016 #14
Trump also appears to have no rudder C_U_L8R Nov 2016 #15
Donnie does Bankruptcy Wellstone ruled Nov 2016 #17
When you rely on instinct bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #21
He also lacks an internal monologue superpatriotman Nov 2016 #23
They are stealing Hillary's Johnny2X2X Nov 2016 #26
Interesting idea bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #30
Trump only pays for good news! Sancho Nov 2016 #27
In his mind: number of hats sold = number of votes FSogol Nov 2016 #28
Makes sense, Trump operates pretty much independently of feedback andym Nov 2016 #31
Not surprised relayerbob Nov 2016 #33
Trump wants to keep all that lovely money for himself.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #35
The Trump organization has a history of misinformation April Lee Nov 2016 #41
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emulatorloo

(44,106 posts)
6. My guess is Bannon's running the campaign rather than Conway
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 02:46 PM
Nov 2016

She spends far too much time on cable shows to be doing the nitty gritty work of managing a campaign

LiberalLovinLug

(14,168 posts)
16. That makes sense
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 03:21 PM
Nov 2016

Never thought about that before. But now that I do, you're right, she'd never have time to be able to go on show after show spewing her insane talking points.

I suspect they gave her the title of "Campaign Manager" as a way to give her more credibility when it is displayed under her image in her appearances in the media.

angrychair

(8,686 posts)
10. Not according to my digging
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 02:50 PM
Nov 2016

Their had been no numbers from the campaign in months. There is still polling coming from the RNC (they pay their bills) but nothing working within campaign itself.
If you have something that says that is wrong than I will stand corrected...I have no problem being wrong I just haven't seen what you have I guess.

emulatorloo

(44,106 posts)
20. Apparently not
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 03:32 PM
Nov 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512588512

https://twitter.com/FridaGhitis/status/794971824824188932

Frida Ghitis
Frida Ghitis – Verified account ‏@FridaGhitis

11:37 AM - 5 Nov 2016

Político writer tells MSNBC that Trump has stopped polling - because he refuses to pay his pollster. May explain campaigning in odd places.
 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
7. two words: ground game
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 02:46 PM
Nov 2016

Trump has none. If its a close night and he loses, that's why. Or if its wider than expected, ditto.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
24. All he ever had was yard signs
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 04:10 PM
Nov 2016

In our area, they're only on public medians and such, thank goodness. I always get a kick out of hearing how many Trump signs there are. That ALL they have.

I'd have crawled over broken glass to vote Dem but I didn't put up signs. There aren't any in yards around here.

Lindalouuu

(91 posts)
29. Same here with the yard signs
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 04:22 PM
Nov 2016

Only they really piss me off. A couple in my development which I turned into the HOA. They're gone. Made me happy. There are hundreds of them aong every public road here. What a moron. Do they really think that makes people vote for that lunatic candidate. I'm rambling but I get so pissed off by the signs...sorry

napi21

(45,806 posts)
13. Pollsters not paid doesn't appear to havr any connection to KellyAnn.
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 02:57 PM
Nov 2016

Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio, a veteran polling strategist, claims that the Trump campaign currently owes his firm $766,756.67 dollars for his work, as well as an additional $55,300 in debt, The Washington Post reports. This isn’t the first time that Trump has stiffed Fabrizio, either: according to Federal Election Commission filings, Trump previously failed to pay Fabrizio between May and September, when his firm finally received nearly $624,000.

Out of all the pollsters in the Republican orbit, it’s hard to imagine that Fabrizio would have done a poor job: the career pollster, an ally of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, has worked on several presidential campaigns, and previously architected Rick Scott’s win in the 2010 Florida gubernatorial election. When Fabrizio was hired in May, Politico surmised that Fabrizio’s experience with Scott, himself an outsider businessman, would translate to an affinity with Trump. But Fabrizio reportedly made enemies within Trump’s inner circle, clashing with Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, who said there was no need for focus-group testing, and with Trump himself, when he and Manafort reportedly chided the G.O.P. nominee for his self-defeating feud with the Khan family.
The Trump campaign did not tell the Post why it had not yet paid Fabrizio; spokesman Jason Miller described it as an “administrative issue that we’re resolving internally.” Other pollsters, including Kellyanne Conway, who was promoted to campaign manager this summer, have found favor with the mercurial billionaire. But Conway learned early on that to stay on Trump’s good side, or to maintain any control over him, you have to treat him like a child, finding the silver lining in every negative story in order to placate his fragile ego. Perhaps Fabrizio—whose job is to conduct the polling that currently shows Trump hurtling toward a resounding loss—confronted his boss with too much unvarnished truth.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/10/donald-trump-pollster-unpaid

I think the Con is dealing with the pollster the same way he deals with his contractors. Sign an agreement they pay 'em what you feel like paying when the job's done. If they're unhappy, they can sue!

central scrutinizer

(11,642 posts)
22. "administrative issue that we’re resolving internally.”
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 03:49 PM
Nov 2016

Translation:"We're kiting a check right now."

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
14. The Good Guys Will Probably Win This Time Around, But
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 03:00 PM
Nov 2016

I fear that the Donald's Presidential campaign will be shown to Tea-baggers and other little vipers as a prime example as to how NOT to run a presidential campaign. The bad hats will be better organized next time.

C_U_L8R

(44,997 posts)
15. Trump also appears to have no rudder
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 03:03 PM
Nov 2016

Donnie will only pay for the most beautiful numbers.
The hugest numbers.
Not these loser numbers,

bucolic_frolic

(43,121 posts)
21. When you rely on instinct
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 03:45 PM
Nov 2016

and laugh off the ideology and status quo of your party, the opposition party, the
government, the military, and figure you can rig the election with operatives and
launch a coup d'etat, you need polls?



Johnny2X2X

(19,021 posts)
26. They are stealing Hillary's
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 04:17 PM
Nov 2016

I guarantee they are stealing the Dems. Internal polling is everything, you need it to be able to properly allocate resources not just by state, but by county and even precinct. You have to know which of your voters you need to reach out to.

bucolic_frolic

(43,121 posts)
30. Interesting idea
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 04:29 PM
Nov 2016

what makes you think they steal Democratic polls?

It wouldn't benefit the GOP GOTV much

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
27. Trump only pays for good news!
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 04:17 PM
Nov 2016

If they want the money, they have to report that the Trumpette is winning.

andym

(5,443 posts)
31. Makes sense, Trump operates pretty much independently of feedback
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 04:33 PM
Nov 2016

so polls are only useful tools for publicity to obtain his goal. You don't have to worry that Trump has any hope of being rational/scientific in his decisions.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
35. Trump wants to keep all that lovely money for himself....
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 04:53 PM
Nov 2016

Watch him refuse to pay ANYONE because they preformed inadequately based on his loss.

April Lee

(14 posts)
41. The Trump organization has a history of misinformation
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 07:19 PM
Nov 2016

They like implying things through back channels that are not true just to mess with the opposition and keep everybody off balance. They did this throughout the primaries.

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