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Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 06:24 PM Nov 2016

The best case scenario is that he will be as bad as George W. Bush

If we make through this Trump administration with a huge terrorist attack, another war in the Middle East, inept handling of a natural disaster, and an economic collapse on the same scale as the Great Depression, then we should consider ourselves damn lucky.

Bush II was horrific, but Trump is far, far worse. I'm not optimistic in the slightest regard. I have no hope that he will moderate. In fact, I know that he will not moderate. I know that he will be awful, and we as a nation may never recover.

My advice is prepare for the worst. The very worst. Protect yourself and your family to the best of your ability. Support those in need and be active every single day.

Things are going to get bad, really, really, really bad.

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The best case scenario is that he will be as bad as George W. Bush (Original Post) Yavin4 Nov 2016 OP
He's going to be way worse Mosby Nov 2016 #1
Trump will make historical firsts. lunatica Nov 2016 #2
He is even more ill prepared than Bush, and probably no smarter Siwsan Nov 2016 #3
1, how in the world is he going to do better than 4.9% unemployment with rising LFPR? uponit7771 Nov 2016 #4
I think there is a better possibility: that he will accomplish next to nothing. randome Nov 2016 #5
How does Ryan getting rid of Medicare look DOA??? dixiegrrrrl Nov 2016 #13
He has no plan and states will need to sign onto it. randome Nov 2016 #15
From your lips to God's ear....n/t dixiegrrrrl Nov 2016 #16
I know. That's how it looks to me now. randome Nov 2016 #19
He's already backed down on deportation and coal Nevernose Nov 2016 #20
Soon to be added: his vow to convene his generals to have a plan in 30 days for ISIS. randome Nov 2016 #21
Oh! And gay marriage! Nevernose Nov 2016 #23
For those who hate the US, this is everything they've been dreaming about. mn9driver Nov 2016 #6
This line of thinking was going to be my next OP; What "tragedy" will bring unite America's behind uponit7771 Nov 2016 #7
I don't know if the 9/11 playbook will work again Yavin4 Nov 2016 #8
The only thing that will do such is something bigger than 911... we're fucked ... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #10
Dubya would listen to more people. kentuck Nov 2016 #9
I'm pretty sure he'll take us to war, wreck the economy, Mc Mike Nov 2016 #11
For me, it's not really about Trump... Wounded Bear Nov 2016 #12
He is the useful idiot not only to the rigid right politicians dixiegrrrrl Nov 2016 #14
Bush tried to hide a lot of what he did JonLP24 Nov 2016 #17
Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over' madinmaryland Nov 2016 #18
And this time we can not...be all nice...when they tell us...to not dwell on mistakes... Tikki Nov 2016 #22
He'll make bush seem benevolent in comparison SammyWinstonJack Nov 2016 #24

Mosby

(16,299 posts)
1. He's going to be way worse
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 06:26 PM
Nov 2016

that's my prediction.

He might not start any wars, but he's going to gut the government, think Reagan on steroids.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
2. Trump will make historical firsts.
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 06:26 PM
Nov 2016

Hopefully some of them will be accidentally very good for the country

Siwsan

(26,259 posts)
3. He is even more ill prepared than Bush, and probably no smarter
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 06:28 PM
Nov 2016

And he has a VP who, IMHO, is equal in evil to Cheney, to run the show for him. In fact, Pence is probably, in some ways, even more vile.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. I think there is a better possibility: that he will accomplish next to nothing.
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 06:32 PM
Nov 2016

Already the Mexican Wall is gone. Obamacare has some good aspects. And Ryan getting rid of Medicare looks DOA. They don't know how to win so they will continue to flail about angrily, and keep losing.

I think we will see the most blunders on foreign policy but that sure won't do the economy any good, either.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. He has no plan and states will need to sign onto it.
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 10:19 PM
Nov 2016

Just like with Obamacare, they talk about it but have no specifics and no way to get from Point A to Point B.

If they come up with anything -and I don't think they can- it will be vastly more expensive and no one's going to sign up for that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. I know. That's how it looks to me now.
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 10:44 PM
Nov 2016

And Josh Marshall pointed out that GOP reps are refusing to comment on it because there is no plan as yet. I don't think they will be able to get anything together that won't utterly bankrupt the country. And there are enough level-headed GOPers that they won't vote to self-immolate.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
20. He's already backed down on deportation and coal
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 10:49 PM
Nov 2016

I'm actually keeping a running list in my wallet at all times of shit Trump has already backed down on, just so I can throw it in his supporters' faces.

The wall is downgraded to a fence (there's already a fence).
His deportation plan is literally Obama's exact same deportation plan.
He's backed down on Obamacare
He and McConnell realized that natural gas is cheaper than coal and coal mining jobs aren't coming back.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
21. Soon to be added: his vow to convene his generals to have a plan in 30 days for ISIS.
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 10:53 PM
Nov 2016

Haven't heard anything about that recently, have we?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

mn9driver

(4,423 posts)
6. For those who hate the US, this is everything they've been dreaming about.
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 06:38 PM
Nov 2016

There will be a crisis of some sort pretty quickly after the inauguration, before the new administration has a chance to get whatever tiny bit of shit they have together. It will be geared to cause a major mistake on our (Trump's) part. I have no doubt it will work.

If it involves a massive and foolish military overreaction, we can only hope that the Joint Chiefs have the guts to say no. At the very least that will trigger a constitutional crisis the like of which has never been seen in this country.

We live in interesting times.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
7. This line of thinking was going to be my next OP; What "tragedy" will bring unite America's behind
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 06:41 PM
Nov 2016

... Donald Putin?

I will never unite behind hate, I'll give Putin a chance but only slightly more than they gave Obama which was damn near none.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
8. I don't know if the 9/11 playbook will work again
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 06:43 PM
Nov 2016

Bush rode that to re-election in 2004, but I just don't see it working again.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
10. The only thing that will do such is something bigger than 911... we're fucked ...
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 06:51 PM
Nov 2016

... I'll never get behind hate, Fuck Donald Putin

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
11. I'm pretty sure he'll take us to war, wreck the economy,
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 07:36 PM
Nov 2016

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abuse executive office power in an insane and illegal way, break the government, and have a record number of appointees indicted.

Just a wild guess. I want to get this prediction in early.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
12. For me, it's not really about Trump...
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 07:53 PM
Nov 2016

he's a suit. Not much more IMHO.

The problem is that he won't be able to stand up to the extremist RW agendas he will face. The real politicians will lead him around by the nose, and every single bad thing the Repubs want to do will be on the docket, and many will pass.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
14. He is the useful idiot not only to the rigid right politicians
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 10:07 PM
Nov 2016

but also to Putin.
And a lot of shit is being stirred up in the ME right now as various states and factions try to position themselves for the change in our Gov.

Plus, Trump has one playbook ( I have read a lot about him this week)
extract wealth at the expense of other people even if it means bankrupting them.
He is gonna milk every asset he can find as Pres.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
17. Bush tried to hide a lot of what he did
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 10:31 PM
Nov 2016

Now Trump has the keys to the NSA, indefinite detention sites, drone kill lists and we already know what he is open about doing.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
18. Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over'
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 10:38 PM
Nov 2016

The Onion Nailed it. I'll be watching to what they publish in the next two months. From January 2001, just the day before DU came into existence.

http://www.theonion.com/article/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-pros-464

WASHINGTON, DC–Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight years of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
President-elect Bush vows that "together, we can put the triumphs of the recent past behind us."

"My fellow Americans," Bush said, "at long last, we have reached the end of the dark period in American history that will come to be known as the Clinton Era, eight long years characterized by unprecedented economic expansion, a sharp decrease in crime, and sustained peace overseas. The time has come to put all of that behind us."

Bush swore to do "everything in [his] power" to undo the damage wrought by Clinton's two terms in office, including selling off the national parks to developers, going into massive debt to develop expensive and impractical weapons technologies, and passing sweeping budget cuts that drive the mentally ill out of hospitals and onto the street.

During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years.

"You better believe we're going to mix it up with somebody at some point during my administration," said Bush, who plans a 250 percent boost in military spending. "Unlike my predecessor, I am fully committed to putting soldiers in battle situations. Otherwise, what is the point of even having a military?"

..snip

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
22. And this time we can not...be all nice...when they tell us...to not dwell on mistakes...
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 11:02 PM
Nov 2016

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with their...let's move forward speech...when he f^^ks up...and he will f^^k up/

We need to hold each and every one of his voters responsible for his s^^t.

AS HE BREAKS IT...THEY OWN IT...

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