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Why did Hillary not challenge the results? (Original Post) Equinox Moon Nov 2016 OP
I don't think you can challenge if its outside the percentage. bullimiami Nov 2016 #1
Because we got our asses kicked. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #2
Then that is a battle with republicans suppressing the vote (selectively) Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #3
"They only win because they cheat." NCTraveler Nov 2016 #6
I understand the voting rights act was gutted by the Supreme Court before this election Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #7
This election wasn't as different as you want to think. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #8
From the moment I heard about her private server, I was worried. MoonRiver Nov 2016 #11
Of course you are correct. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #15
GWB had done it with no repurcussions. And the State Dept servers were very unsecure. ehrnst Nov 2016 #20
Yes, and that is the point. MoonRiver Nov 2016 #22
Look at Gerrymandering Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #12
You have yet to make your case as to how Clinton could challenge the results. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #13
Fair enough. I have gotten off track some, yet completely related. Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #18
If you are going to ask the question.... NCTraveler Nov 2016 #21
It doesn't have to be "great" imho... just enough... and the suppression numbers compounded uponit7771 Nov 2016 #10
Due to voter suppression, that she SHOULD challenge... the numbers bare this out if the suppression uponit7771 Nov 2016 #9
The results are not challengable using your metrics. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #14
Understood, I don't think she should challenge the results on those grounds... challenging the uponit7771 Nov 2016 #19
Except when it came to actual votes. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #16
What does that win? nt. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #17
The popular vote. ehrnst Nov 2016 #23
Considering the extreme negativity of the campaign... NCTraveler Nov 2016 #25
Yes, but don't say that too loudly.... (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #28
Not all votes were counted to prove this is true astral Nov 2016 #4
See my post just above yours #3 Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #5
There's no way all those states would flip gollygee Nov 2016 #24
I believe we need to put some effort into changing the electoral college. hamsterjill Nov 2016 #26
In Michigan trump won by .3% of the vote. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote, and this still_one Nov 2016 #27

bullimiami

(13,083 posts)
1. I don't think you can challenge if its outside the percentage.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:49 AM
Nov 2016

I wish there would be at least some audits where these exit polls don't match to prove that the tabulators are correct.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. Because we got our asses kicked.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:57 AM
Nov 2016

"I have been hearing about exit polls not matching what happened"

Make your case. As it stands, I see no case here. Let's regroup and make sure we are on the winning side in two, four, six, eight, years out.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
3. Then that is a battle with republicans suppressing the vote (selectively)
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:04 AM
Nov 2016

~Voter ID laws
~Scrubbing the voter rolls
~Closing down 100's of polling places: Strategically
~Only having one tally machine at a poll, where in another district (same town) they had several.

The list goes on. Republicans are predators. They only win because they cheat.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. "They only win because they cheat."
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:12 AM
Nov 2016

Highly inaccurate in my opinion. Do they cheat? Yes. Is that the great reason they won? Not in any way what so ever.

The county I live in went for Trump. Our voting went of without a hitch. Great system we have set up. We have voted for Dems in the past.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
7. I understand the voting rights act was gutted by the Supreme Court before this election
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:16 AM
Nov 2016

This election was different.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. This election wasn't as different as you want to think.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:19 AM
Nov 2016

The difference is that we got our asses kicked. Yes, there are voting issues that must be addressed. They are not the reason we just got our asses handed to us. Look at Pinellas County among others all across the country. It ends your argument.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
11. From the moment I heard about her private server, I was worried.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:23 AM
Nov 2016

WHY, WHY, WHY hand the enemy their ammo??? I will never understand how that horrendous mistake was allowed to happen.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
15. Of course you are correct.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:31 AM
Nov 2016

We start each cycle a leg down in the first place. From the media to voter suppression to outside influences.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
20. GWB had done it with no repurcussions. And the State Dept servers were very unsecure.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:38 AM
Nov 2016

ANYTHING she does becomes ammunition.

EVERYTHING she does becomes ammunition.

This year we found out just how much even being a woman was used as ammuntion - on BOTH sides.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
12. Look at Gerrymandering
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:24 AM
Nov 2016

I have been educating myself regarding how serious, invasive, pervasive voter suppression is and has been growing.

We experienced election fraud, not voter fraud as dumpman spread.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
13. You have yet to make your case as to how Clinton could challenge the results.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:28 AM
Nov 2016

Redistricting/Gerrymandering is a serious issue. Few know that more than Floridians. In a bout of irony, we gained a house seat due to a redrawn district in my area. Crist would have never stood a chance a couple of years back. The district was redrawn favoring Democrats for the seat. It is almost always in favor of Republicans when done in the state of Florida.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
18. Fair enough. I have gotten off track some, yet completely related.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:37 AM
Nov 2016

The post is about, "Why didn't Hillary challenge the results?"

I still ask that question.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
21. If you are going to ask the question....
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:41 AM
Nov 2016

I would think it would be accompanied by a case for the results to be challenged.

My answer is simple. We got beat. What avenue do you think Clinton should use to challenge the results?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
10. It doesn't have to be "great" imho... just enough... and the suppression numbers compounded
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:23 AM
Nov 2016

... from 2006 looks like this is what happened.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
9. Due to voter suppression, that she SHOULD challenge... the numbers bare this out if the suppression
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:22 AM
Nov 2016

... numbers are compounded in those states she was projected to win from 2006

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. The results are not challengable using your metrics.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:29 AM
Nov 2016

It should be a cornerstone of our efforts moving forward.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
19. Understood, I don't think she should challenge the results on those grounds... challenging the
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:37 AM
Nov 2016

.... legitimacy of Donald Putin on the grounds of voter suppression in the media should be a minimum though

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
23. The popular vote.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 12:05 PM
Nov 2016

And I think that the final numbers might be enlightening in further discussions about how Hillary couldn't get out the vote.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. Considering the extreme negativity of the campaign...
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 12:14 PM
Nov 2016

I think Clinton did a solid job at getting out the vote.

 

astral

(2,531 posts)
4. Not all votes were counted to prove this is true
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:08 AM
Nov 2016

I heard Michigan went for Trump which was enough to sway the popular vote to him too, however I haven't learned yet whether this is true. I also understand there were two other states that never turned in their vote count, and that once an electoral college vote has been determined, the rest of the absentee ballots are not counted if they exist, if there aren't enough uncounted votes to change the results in that state.

So, in short, there really were enough uncounted votes and a small enough margin that it really can't be determined if she won the popular vote for certain, and, if the tables were turned, Donald Trump had been chastised hundreds of times to accept the election results, whatever they are.

WOULD he have? I don't know. Undocumented voting and double-dipping at the polls was reported to have happened, were all these votes leaning towards Hillary? We can't really prove that one way or the other either.




hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
26. I believe we need to put some effort into changing the electoral college.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 12:25 PM
Nov 2016

I'm personally for getting rid of it. We have the technology now, today, in 2016 so that people could vote regardless of their location. One person. One vote.

I'm tired of the Dems getting screwed. Why should my vote not be as important as some person out in an unpopulated area? I choose to live where I do, and that person chooses to live where he/she does.

still_one

(92,116 posts)
27. In Michigan trump won by .3% of the vote. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote, and this
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 12:39 PM
Nov 2016

wasn't the only state where that similarity occurred.

So in this election, the third party votes did affect the outcome

The only flicker of light is that Lindsey Graham said he will vote to keep the filibuster. I assume the reason being is there is some real concerns about trump, and I suspect there would be a few other republicans who would share the same sentiments.

If the filibuster does stay, there will still be plenty of damage that will be inflicted, but it may slow the process down, and may just reduce or prevent maximum damage to Social Security and Medicare. If nothing else it might allow the Democrats a small vehicle to prevent damage.

As long as trump doesn't blow up the world, time should be on our side, but it will be very painful, and a lot of people are going to suffer. The long term goal will be to retake Congress and the Executive branch, and try to reverse any damage done for as long as this regime is in control



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