I have never felt so alone in all my life.

[Are_grits_groceries]

99% of my friends and family are Trumpkins. I deactivated my FB account before the election because I was going to burn down my timeline about their hypocrisy. I will go back at some point and have a dish to serve cold.

My brother called to wish me a happy birthday and then he decided to gloat. I ended up calling him a fucking moron and a quisling.

AND if one more person tells me to be tolerant and give that Butternut Turd a chance, they will catch a rant to remember.

[catbyte]

1. I feel your pain. I haven't logged onto Facebook or Twitter since 11/8. I'm so sorry you are

surrounded by assholes, too. The only people I have been able to talk to are my fiance & my best friend, both of whom are as horrified as I am. Thank goodness DU is back up and running. I have a feeling I will be spending most of my online time here.

Take care, and you are not alone. That dish will be delish, I can feel it.

[mnhtnbb]

2. I hear you. I'm sorry. I have a Trumpkin brother, too.

I think I'm done with him. Other things have been issues over the years, but knowing he supported such an incredibly unqualified a$$hole does it for me.

I will do nothing but work towards the epic failure of the Trump/Pence administration, because if they succeed, this country is doomed.

[herding cats]

3. You've got us.

DU is back up and working, and overall it's been a balm for my soul to be among so many people who also dislike Trump again.

[Wounded Bear]

4. "Butternut turd" works for me....

Good to see you have retained some sense of humor in these trying times. I know it's cold comfort, but I hope you find fellowship around here.

[Auntie Bush]

53. Works for me too.

BUTTERNUT TURD!

[McCamy Taylor]

5. Hugs! We are all together in this.

[Hortensis]

6. Over the past few decades people have been separating out

ideologically geographically, a majority literally choosing to move to specifically liberal or conservative areas.

We've, of course, also been separating socially as never before courtesy of the internet. The days are mostly gone when local societies developed group attitudes and mores that had a strong cumulative effect on their thinking. Political bigotry is stronger than ever, and revealing one's orientation has gotten a lot of people fired, so even more workplaces are separated out.

All a way of saying, if we want to fight the evil forces on the right, we first of all have to stay connected with those we know and maintain good relationships so that we may be able to influence them, if only to remind them that nice people can disagree.

As we are all appalled to know, the political belief systems required to vote Republican these days are almost entirely built on lies. Lies that have gotten so outrageous that sustaining their beliefs requires them to avoid not just virtually all honest information sources but also the evidence of their own eyes and even the teachings of their religions.

We thought this was the election the leaders lost their committed support. No. It was the election that proved beyond any doubt that their commitment to their political leaders now trumps all previous commitments to decency, morals, intellect, even religion. A scary and dangerous reality; but perhaps holding the door open, not slamming it on them, will hasten the day when enough finally do turn on their evil leaders and push them out of power. We don't need all that many to turn away for it to happen.

[hay rick]

44. Well said but easier said than done.

I may leave the door open, but they will have to come to me.

I distanced myself from a lot of friends and family in 2000. It's harder with family because they are irreplaceable. Still, the process was almost involuntary. I found that I had gone from respectfully disagreeing with family members to disrespecting their point of view and disrespecting them for being gullible and small-minded. I was not capable of the mental gymnastics required to exonerate friends and relatives for beliefs and behavior which I consider unacceptable for myself or for strangers.

Sixteen years later we get Trump. Most of the distancing from my family is already in place. I have moved and most of my new friends are like-minded...no accident. I still grieve over the election because I feel like I have lost my country.

[Hortensis]

54. Much the same here. The constant low-grade nausea

is better, and the weight of fear is pushed back as I go about the day, but it hasn't slackened. Nor has the anger.

Too many people we knew have become worse and worse, to the point that their political behaviors deserve profound contempt. They are nothing but contemptible.

We were going to decline a dinner party, unwilling to be with those who did this, unwilling to listen to those unwilling to restrain themselves, but I actually have no idea how some of them are taking their new world where Donald Trump really will be able to launch nuclear war as well as tweets, they face return to "insurance" that will exclude coverage for all their medical problems, and the whole planet reverberates with shock and fear over what they have done.

[dixiegrrrrl]

67. I am so glad you mentioned the low grade nausea...thought I was the only one.

My stomach flopped and churned a lot for several days, really did not feel like eating.

Never have been happier that we do not have tv, thus easily avoided the constant visuals of Trump and ugly shouts from street level supporters.

My immediate neighbor is a Dem, thank god, and altho we live in a red red state, it is not considered proper to have disagreeable conversations here in the rural South, so church or politics is not much discussed .
but....
there were ZERO yard signs in the whole town.
Nada.

That is saying a lot.

[Hortensis]

75. Deep South here too, Dixiegrrrl, and virtually no yard signs,

but then we're also in the top 5, sometimes cited as the top 1, most conservative districts in the nation. Very recently rural, now only semi.

This party is on a houseboat 45 minutes closer to "the city," though. Definitely different culture--somewhat mixed in various ways, race, religion, politics, state and national origin--but still averaging more conservative. And these days there is nothing moderate about the positions of loyal conservatives.

On the plus side, I seem to have lost a couple pounds without increasing exercise. Take care.

[KingCharlemagne]

76. you assume there will be free and fair elections in the future. Fascists do not, however,

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respect democratic norms. We are in totally uncharted waters now.

[Hortensis]

79. We've never been here before, but that also means

we do not know if the right will succeed in empowering a shift to a fascistic pretend democracy. We're still very far from that. The people ELECTED Donald.

Not all conservatives are strong authoritarians. For those who are not, will what has become effectively fanatical support of "their side," with its corollary knee-jerk, no-matter-what opposition to Democrats, cause them all to submerge their very real fear of government power? Or will the existing glued-together schism widen back up?

When they are unable to purchase "insurance" coverage for any of their known medical problems, or have to choose a job or put the baby in daycare and go back to work only for the insurance benefits, will that have an effect? Will they resent the zealots who imply not having good coverage through work is somehow their own fault or who tell them, hey, just go to the ER and give a fake address like I do?

Will stories of tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of people, who once lworked in their towns, being imprisoned in inhuman conditions in deportee camps in the desert break through the casual callousness of those just going along with the rest now?

Will shame over international aggression and atrocities, and the humiliation of being condemned by hundreds of nations, the fear of losing national power and prestige, always cause them to draw together, or ... yada yada.

We won this election by the popular vote. I'm not convinced we didn't win it period. But we don't need them all, just some, and the forces of darkness are going to play hell keeping them all.

[KingCharlemagne]

82. "Will stories of tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of people . . . " -- assumes we

will still have a functioning free press and not some primitive version of samizdat. I do appreciate your thoughtful response, but ll bets are off now, as fascists don't respect liberal democratic norms (like a free press). Were I Donald, the first group I would intern would be the collective readership of DU and DailyKos (relying on FISA warrants and NSA data for membership lists), followed next by journalists who refuse to swear a loyalty oath. Then, and only then, would I turn to the ethnic and religious minorities.

At heart, you're assuming that the fascists share any of our values. I think that assumption is deeply flawed and that the only value they worship is the Nietzschean "will to power".

[wryter2000]

7. Happy birthday

Mine was yesterday.

I can't imagine anyone insensitive enough to gloat on your birthday.

Here's a virtual safety pin for you.

[In_The_Wind]

8. Yup. I have DU friends but no one else.

Happy Birthday, Grits.

[Bettie]

9. I'm there too

I know so few liberals and am related to so fucking many Trumpkins.

[Beartracks]

10. "Butternut Turd": Ben & Jerry, take note!

A new ice cream flavor to honor the President-elect!



==============

[Afromania]

11. ...

I don't know anybody that lives in Trumplestanavania but I feel like I'm half dead just the same. Thank goodness for the internet so our brothers and sisters trapped out there has some outlet.

[mountain grammy]

12. I'm relieved about one thing.

I will no longer have to pretend to love my husband's brother.

[Freddie]

23. My husband's brother

Died suddenly (heart attack) in Sept. Our whole family is liberal but he was the "leftover hippie." Despised Trump with a passion. His wife is so upset by the election she said (in a moment of anger) she's glad he's gone so he doesn't have to see what happened.
We're gonna keep fighting. For you, Matt.

[Sophiegirl]

26. ...

[dhol82]

36. Had a friend die suddenly on the 4th

It was a totally unexpected, freak accident.
I just said well, 'at least she didn't have to see Il Douche win.'
She was an ardent democrat.

[MountainMama]

93. Sigh

....my sister passed away almost a year ago exactly.

She liked Bernie. I'm glad she's not here for this.

[mountain grammy]

42. I'm so sorry.

We'll keep fighting, that's all we can do.

[bdamomma]

13. you wonder if the Reich in Germany

told their citizens to give Hitler a chance and look what happened to their country.

Remember we are here together, find solace here.

[SharonAnn]

27. Yes, some of them did.

[loyalsister]

43. The US didn't take him seriously right away

Verified with Snopes..

"Several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes."

https://boingboing.net/2016/11/11/hitlers-only-kidding-about.html

[bdamomma]

81. Just a suggestion

If you have Netflix they have a lot of documentaries on the rise of Hitler, some Germans were brainwashed into believing the Jews were horrible people, it was just drilled into their heads, we are encountering this now with minorities, women, LGBT. The information is out there what is that saying you are doomed to repeat the past, or you have to understand the past to move forward to the future.

Geez, we really have to fight back be it by donations or volunteering for whatever organization you favour.

Just vetting.

[loyalsister]

90. Thanks for the tips

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I like documentaries.

The article I posted was from the NY Times about how the US didn't take him seriously.

The US population was not fully aware, but many in power approved of Hitler's implementation of ideas born here. Beginning with a meeting between Charles Davenport, Harry Laughlin, and the American Breders Association along with a malinterpretation of genetics and the bell curve.

They were mainstream ideas. Sometimes expressed in teaching youth how to select suitable mates (in textbooks) and worse in involuntary sterilization of people with diabilities and people of color. Some was rooted in good intentions (Margaret Sanger, Alexander Graham Bell, and Helen Keller wanted to keep people who may suffer from being born). Some had the disgusting but not necessarily malicious goal to create a stronger work force, and the malicious racist element wanted to eliminate undesireables. They were working together with common goals which are with us today.

The US strived for a "Nordic superior race," - Germany for an "aryan master race" tomato tomahto.
If it hadn't happened in Germany it could easily have happened here. And, here we are and it appears that the hateful underpinnings of what happened in Germany were and are alive and well where it all started.

I'm working with a local activist group intent on dismantling racism. We seem to be making a difference.

[bdamomma]

100. it starts at the grassroots level

that is what Bernie was pushing, and power in numbers.

there are more of us than them.

[Nay]

78. Yes, they did. Read "Defying Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner. nt

[leftyladyfrommo]

14. I have been really depressed.

And more than worried.

You have a lot of company.

[logosoco]

15. I live in a heavy rump area, but luckily no family

that supported him (at least not and admit it to me).
I did have a "conversation" on FB with an old boss (who I have to keep on good terms with as she is a reference for when I get back into the work world!).
I did not delete anyone and am looking forward to the F ups rump and his administration is going to have and has already have, just so I can say "SEE! Now pay more attention next time! This is not really a game with the climate at stake!"

And good for you for speaking your mind to your brother!!!

We don't have to be tolerant, but keep peace inside! For yourself!!

[gypsy11]

16. Happy birthday!!

There's a lot of hate infiltrating social media as of late. I've been avoiding it. I feel your pain, and i'm sorry you're surrounded by trumpkins, they radiate bad energy. I can only imagine how terrible it must feel to be surrounded by it. I'm with you in spirit- many are.

[ErikJ]

17. I'm disowning my Trump voting sisters.

Luckily I've got a couple others who are Dem voters. I will talk to the RWers if they reach out to me but I wont ever call or email them again.

[nolabear]

18. My first post since coming back. I'm sorry and I understand. There is so much rage.

I'm in liberal land and my nuclear family is fine but the folks I grew up with, well, I can't say I'm surprised but it hurts nonetheless. I feel like they hate me for not hating others, and that's hard to bear. They've never like my liberal leanings but we've had a truce til now. I suppose I'll have to adjust once more and maybe build a world around me that's more nurturing to me rather than hoping someone else who can't will help.

Hang in there. We need one another very badly.

[mahina]

19. Hugs Grits. Courage.

[GoCubsGo]

20. I understand.

I'm surrounded by them, as well. My family are all good Democrats, except for my idiot brother, who turned out to be slightly less of an idiot than I realized. (He voted 3rd party, which fortunately didn't matter to his state's outcome.) But, they all live far away, as do my good friends, who tend to be even farther to the left of me. I really need to get the hell out of here.

Happy Birthday, Grits!

[UTUSN]

21. Same situation here, AND we're here together/not alone. n/t

[barbtries]

22. i've got about 35% I'd say,

a number that could grow if i was more in touch with many family members.
my own son, who despises trump but also despises politics generally and does not vote, texted me today to stop putting "negative propaganda" up on fb.

i can't. someone might wake the fuck up at some point. i told him i love him and he can hide the posts he doesn't want to look at.

no give a chance (well hell he already blew it with Bannon)! that's playing into their hands and is dangerous. RESIST.

remember the truth has a liberal bias. you are not wrong even if you are outnumbered.

[Hekate]

24. Aw, grits

[Roy Rolling]

25. Ha ha

That was my rant on Facebook yesterday. I dared anybody to post another fact challenged and idiotic antagonistic post election meme.

I couldn't resist ending it with "go ahead, make my day".

So far, that his shut them all up. I don't think they want the grief.

[MontanaMama]

28. Made me spit out my tea!!

Butternut Turd is in my personal lexicon forever. Thanks for the laugh!

You are not alone. I deactivated my personal FB over it too. Winning isn't enough for the a-hole deplorables. They are awful. I am sorry, friend. Be strong. Keep your sense of humor - you brightened my day.

[Chalco]

29. Family on both sides are Trumpists.

I feel your pain. We are skipping Thanksgiving this year. Can't take it.

[Plucketeer]

30. Most of my stupid-assed relatives are Trump-etts

Which makes it easier that they're 2000 miles from me and we're not "close". The wife and I and a few select friends are like-minded - as are you and I. We'll just lean on one another.

[Siwsan]

31. There have been days when I'm not sure how, or why, I got out of bed

Days when all I could manage was a cup of coffee, to ward off a headache, and then a scrambled egg or bowl of soup, late in the day. I didn't even leave the house until Saturday.

I talked with friends, but we were all in the same mental state. I was told by one to just get a grip and accept it. After all, it was just an election. My cousin told me if I was worried about driving around in my car with Democratic-centric bumper stickers, I should take them off and replace them with Trump bumper stickers. Yes, he really said that. I am quite sure he has never heard the 'f bomb' strung together so many times, in once sentence. I don't expect to hear from him, again, any time soon.

The one thing that could always give me some nice distraction is my little cat, Sophie Stinky Toes. She was practically glued to my side, for a good four days. She purred, head bonked, licked, and snuggled me through some dark thoughts.

And now I have my DU friends, again.

[Freedomofspeech]

61. I feel the same...

Sick to my stomach and tight chest all of the time. I have never felt so afraid.

[deurbano]

32. Sorry about the timing of your birthday. Wishing you a better rest of the year!

I had already just about had it with my sister (my only sibling) and her family, and this just sealed the deal. My mom (only surviving parent, but my dad's politics were the same) hates Trump, but she is a right wing racist (you know, the somewhat more genteel, not so blatant type, but still pretty quickly obvious if you are paying any attention), so party before country. She seems to be avoiding talking to me at the moment (I'm sure the hell not calling her), probably because she knows I know she knows the guy is a disaster, so she is even more responsible for him (in my opinion) than my sister, who loved him from the start. My sister lives three thousand miles away, so I'm hoping not to ever see her again, but my mom is only 300 miles away, so I'll probably have to figure out a way to stomach being in her presence. (Not for these upcoming holidays, though.)

This isn't just about the election. I was always the family pariah/scapegoat since (early on) I diverged from the (Republican) party line and other family mores. I can't imagine what it would be like to have family members you otherwise value who would cast such an abhorrent vote. I already find my sister and mother abhorrent, so it just reinforces the existing narrative.

[mainstreetonce]

33. I never talk politics

with my R relatives, but I can't just call and pretend nothing happened.

So it is a problem even if it doesn't surface.

[malaise]

34. That's hard

I don't know a Con supporter

[Mosby]

35. All of my in-laws are republicans

Thanksgiving is going to be fun.

[heaven05]

37. I lost an associate bordering on friend of 20 years

he voted 3rd Party. His nephew who just arrived here from the Phillipines voted Trump. I told both of them just what I felt about their cowardice and loss of principle and integrity. HEY!!!! We are all still here. The good ship DU is afloat again after running onto some rocks, damage still unknown but floating.

[MFM008]

38. I agree with you OP

I'm not giving this piece of shit a chance to do anything.
Going back to my bush mindset, I hated bush but not like this.

[Lulu KC]

39. I feel alone but for a different reason

I don't have many Trump supporters in close proximity (physically or on social media) but am finding the fighting within the anti-Trump people to be very disturbing. It's almost like there's a force that is trying to divide within divisions--I am sure there is some great book someone wrote about how this happens, so if you know what it is, please recommend!

I am also looking for ONE non-fiction book to read that is about the people in Germany who knew Hitler was bad news early on and how they survive, supported friends, etc. Not the targeted ones--the ones who could have been mistaken for his supporters, but were not. If you have an idea let me know. I asked for this on another thread and someone suggested I "research." No time I want to spend on that if there's someone who already has a good one.

[Nay]

77. Here's the book -- "Defying Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner. It describes the exact

social milieu of a well-to-do non-Jewish German family who knows what is coming down the pike, and can't get many others to realize what is going to happen. It's been years since I read it, but it is exactly about your subject. I'm sorry I couldn't reply yesterday; I had given the book away and couldn't remember the title and had to research it. Believe me, it's exactly what you are looking for. It's probably in your local library -- it is in mine.

[Lulu KC]

94. Thank you!

I just went through this entire thread and saw it mentioned before. Going to library website right now.

[Lulu KC]

101. Could not put it down

Wonderful recommendation, thanks again. Now reading Résistance by Agnès Humbert. Also compelling. Stories of courage are helpful right now.

[Phentex]

40. It feels like it but you aren't alone...

Actually, since the election I have had MORE people speak out against Trump than I heard before. Even total strangers.

I deleted a couple of people from Twitter that I followed for purposes other than political. But when they posted some crap after the election, I decided I didn't need to see or hear from them again.

I am not going to tell you to be tolerant. Hell no. We need to speak out and that's what I'm going to do. I will tell you that as long as you are here, you aren't alone.

[mtngirl47]

41. Making plans to deal with my family

Parents who have been watching Faux News for years....and 3 siblings, their spouses and children all right wing nuts. I'm the black sheep of the family--old hippy that they call a socialist!

I haven't spoken politics with them for years but thru Facebook I know they voted for Trump...but now my question to myself: Is my whole family racists and bigots OR are they just stupid???

My 79 year old mom just had surgery....and it took everything I had to call and ask about her health. As I come out of the fog from our unexpected loss--I know I can't be around them for Thanksgiving this year--too soon. Maybe I can do a quick trip to see them for Christmas...but I don't know if I can be at my mom's 80th birthday party on the weekend of the inaugural.

I have a cousin who had a falling out with her parents years ago and they never spoke again. I don't want that for me and my parents. I mean---How crazy would it be that I cut ties with my family over Donald Trump?!?!

It is the nature of Rethugs and Trumpers to gloat and rub it in your face....so I am preparing some responses.

Yes you won! (then go wash dishes)
We'll just have to wait and see! (then go do the laundry)
You asked for it--and here it is! (then go out for drinks!)

I haven't posted much over the years...but I've come to the site every day and I'm happy DU is back up for my personal sanity!

[hibbing]

45. I'm all alone too

Happy Birthday! I feel absolutely no optimism. Social Security, Medicare and ACA are all headed to their demise.

Peace

[lark]

46. I feel you!

Trumpers and Trumpettes are the worst form of human beings and they are a majority where I am. Luckily my family is blue all the way, but outside of my house, total other story. People that I thought were cool, educated, fun people have posted total idiotic pr-drumpf messages on FB. My husband and I are considering changing our standing Sat. night eating out place after years and years because the person that usually sits next to us is a rw nut, who's so certain that Drumpf won't cut his SS and Medicare, HA!

Drumpf is such a liar, he railed and railed against lobbyist and the fat cats and that's exactly who he's hiring? He said he'd never cut Social Security or Medicare and now is agreeing to sign the legislation that Ryan is advancing that will do even worse than that. There is no blind trust and Russia will be in charge of American foreign policy. Dark days are before us and I don't see an end. What will happen when the economy tanks, as it surely will? What will happen when old folks are dying because they wait too late to go to the doctor because of the huge bills they owe? What will happen when Judge Curiel denies his request to delay the hearing? What will happen when he refuses to attend the rape hearing? Will he shut down the investigation on Russia/FBI throwing our election? Isn't that scary that Russia and the FBI colluded to distort our democratic process?

One thing we've learned, a lot of fundamentalist Christians are a total joke and have no moral values. Putting a hooker in the WH, signing on for a man who's a serial assaulter. He's been sued 22 times for sexual assault and settled out of court to shut them up. He's in this to make himself rich since he's lost so much money since the sanctions were placed on Russia. He's even partners with the guy that wants to build nuclear plants in S. Korea. That's why he wants nukes there and in Japan, he'd personally profit A LOT.

I'm HOPING someone will show me a path out of this that would work. I've seen Michael Moore's 5 step plan, and it's good, but it's assuming America isn't destroyed by this ass, and I'm afraid that's going to happen. We barely survived Bush and he's Bushx1000.

[LiberalLoner]

47. (((Hugs)))

[CanonRay]

48. Trumpkins is too nice a word. Makes them sound cute

Maybe Trumpdummkopfs?

[meow2u3]

49. I prefer Trumpanzees

It makes them sound like chimps slinging crap to try to dominate others, implying that tRump voters are nothing but animals devoid of reason.

[wordpix]

97. I have named our new king Trumpenfuror

it describes him well

[panader0]

50. K and R for Butternut Turd.

[shenmue]

51. Hug

[Dorian Gray]

52. I am sorry

I think my parents voted for Trump. In Florida. After spending the entire election complaining about him and saying they weren't going to vote for him. I'm so disillusioned. I don't know how they could have done that. (I assume bc they know who I voted for and won't tell me who they voted for. So I stopped asking.)

At least the only gloaters I've seen are loud mouth FB types, but most of my FB friends are in the liberal demographic, so I don't feel so alone. Thank God.

I am sorry you are there, though. It sucks. Especially if you're as depressed or as appalled as we all are.

[ailsagirl]

55. You're not alone

Most of the world feel as we do

[mcar]

56. So sorry grits

My family and many friends supported Hillary. But I live in red Florida. I didn't leave the house for nearly a week because I couldn't deal. I'm back at exercise class and normal routine and I'm finding that many of these people are completely clueless.

When I mentioned today that Medicare will be phased out next year, these Trumpers were shocked (some are a year or two away). They had no idea it was planned.

I have no sympathy for them or the selfish "protest" voters. Mine is reserved for people who voted Democrat.

[sinkingfeeling]

57. You're not alone. Cried on Monday explaining to

realtor why I'm listing my house (1858 built, Civil War survivor, money pit, 25 year long labor of love) for sale.

I just can't stay here and watch all the things I spent my life working for be undone by the fascist government coming in 2017. More than 50 years of progress will be gone.

[lunasun]

59. You do not have to be specific , but where in general do you plan to go after the sale if I may ask?

Curious . we have no plans yet not sure

[sinkingfeeling]

60. Ireland for summers and southern Italy in winter.

[lunasun]

65. I love Trulli s in Puglia not far from Bari . Arbebello Check it out sometime . Happy Trails

https://www.pinterest.com/matthewshouse/trulli-~-puglia-italy/

[wordpix]

98. so---why are you crying, again?

sounds good to me but I understand about leaving a beloved home

[Skittles]

73. fuck that

I'll never give up on my country; we need to fight those fascist bastards

[wordpix]

96. don't leave, this ain't over til it's over and there are lots of people

who are already standing up to fight Trumpenfuror legally, in Congress, in media, taking his name off their buildings in NYC, protesting in the streets and overseas. This whole thing is in play, esp. as repugs in Congress see what amateur dufuses the Trumpers are.

What I see is Trump handing reins to Ivanka and Kushner, who have even less experience with gov. than Trump. Add Bannon and Kellyanne in the mix, and this is not going to end well for Trump. His karma is catching up to him, whether he's pres or not.
Seriously, the guy looks like deer in the headlights. He knows he's not ready for this and I don't see a spark of enthusiasm. And lawsuits are starting at the end of this month. Trump U is one.

[lunasun]

58. Happy Birthday Happy Birthday to You

No trumpers in my family or friends but they are outside my door . Signs in my neighborhood , confederate stuff although I'm up north and I don't look anything like them so you know how that goes with them types ..... More worried for my kids a few fights at the school but they are asking the kids to respect one another as it is diverse.
Another one broke out yesterday.....

You are not alone in not giving turd a "chance" that is for sure

Bro sounds like an asshole not a birthday buddy IMO
He knew it was your bday and he could of said Go Trump the next time he called
good for you not letting him hammer on you on your special day
shut it down then you won't hear more

[SCantiGOP]

62. Bullshit, you're not alone

You're part of a clear majority. Over a million more votes, bigger margin than that among the general public, and about 75% of the world agrees with us.

We need to use that advantage.

[Different Drummer]

63. I'm in the same boat with you.

I'm in "R-is-good-D-is-bad" Georgia and most of the people I know--including my family--went big time for the giant Oompah Loompah. I'm glad DU is back up to lessen the feelings of isolation. HBD, Grits!

[trueblue2007]

64. my sister and her family ALL LOVE TRUMP

hubby and i hate him.

we have not decided whether we will go over to their house for thanksgiving. we may go to JUBITZ. THEY HAVE DELICIOUS FOOD and a wonderful salad bar,.

[emmadoggy]

66. I can relate.

You are not alone. We live in a very Trump-happy area, my brother is a raging Trump supporter, as are some uncles, aunts and cousins. Hubby's family is mostly Trump supporters too, with a few exceptions. My co-workers are a mix (though I suspect there are more R's than they let on. I work in education so they should NOT lean that way.) Hubby is miserably surrounded at work with only one other true Dem in the place (and he takes heat for it, too. He won't let me put up yard signs because his bosses greatly frown on him being liberal. The last time we had signs up, his boss said she wanted to tear through our yard and run them all over.)

We are dreading Thanksgiving. We don't live far enough away to make excuses not to go and my mother would be very upset if we didn't come.
Thankfully, my hubby, teenage kids, and my two sisters are all true blue. My mom leans blue, but is pretty moderate. Unfortunately, we are a pretty disfunctional family and have had many blow ups and conflicts over the years. My brother certainly NEVER deigns to keep his mouth shut in the interest of peace (and one of my sisters struggles with this too). My mom has given orders that politics are not to be discussed that day, but I doubt my brother or uncle will stick to that, and frankly, it will be hard for me not to slip and grumble something.

The problem for me goes deeper, though. It doesn't matter if politics are not discussed. I still have to LOOK AT and MAKE POLITE CONVERSATION with people whom I know to have voted for this catastrophe! How do I do that? I can't forgive these people for what they have wrought. I will never look at them the same way again, and yes, that is sad.

We desperately want to move, but have no options in that regard. Hubby has the opportunity for a new job, but it does not provide health insurance (nor does my job), so we would have to go on the ACA - but that is likely to be gone or gutted in short order. What the hell do we do? This election has had an immediate negative impact on us, and I am ANGRY at all these stupid fucks for doing this.

[BootinUp]

68. Your friends and family do not accurately represent the whole country,

sorry to hear that so many of them supported Trump. Take a lot of deep breaths and focus on something other than politics for awhile. Take care.

[Old Terp]

69. We are all together

It will take a time to feel that way. A Sister and I exchanged a few words and ended with a hug.
The beagle is upset,but he will stay calm and only react on command. He took this bad. After hearing th news, he trembled.
I keep finding people who were and are on our side. Maryland is safe. We need our family back in the rust belt. Those jobs are gone. There is stuff to be done, but it involves leaving home. I know they don't want to do that.

[C Moon]

70. Happy Birthday!!!

[pnwmom]

71. If you could stand to re-activate your FB account

there's at least one site you'd probably love -- Pantsuit Nation. 3.6 million Hillary lovers who are not feeling alone.

[Are_grits_groceries]

72. Thanks!

I still have to calm down some. That may be never though. lol

[Buckeye_Democrat]

74. I'm sorry. I'm also thankful that my only sibling who I regularly see...

... hates Trump too.

Thanksgiving should be interesting. We're not getting pulled into that discussion if it comes up. Most of my Republican siblings are sensible enough to not gloat or bring up politics, but it's the in-laws and others who don't seem to have any self control.

[Vinca]

80. I know it's hard, but the day will come when they all call you and say you were right.

In the meantime, you've got us.

[treestar]

83. I feel you on that

though I am lucky enough my sister and niece are on the same side.

[Nitram]

84. I offer my heartfelt condolences. It is very sad to see friends abandon good values like that.

I have a few who've done the same, and it hurts in a very personal way.

[MontanaMama]

85. My 19 year old niece from Missouri called me in tears last night.

During the conversation she confided in me that she is gay and her parents (Trumpsters) rejected her when she revealed it to them. She knew we were rabid Hillary supporters and felt safe in telling us. She feels hopeless because of the rejection of her family and also unsafe in her country having newly come out. It took a long time to calm her down.

I am afraid for those in our nation who feel shattered and cannot reach out.

We need to continue to band together and take care of each other. I am grateful to have found DU.

[wordpix]

99. glad your niece reached out

Maybe we need an underground railroad for those who are rejected and abused.

[Rorey]

86. I'm married to a Trumpkin

He actually said he was wrong, but now I'm suspecting he's just saying it so I won't divorce him. That makes him a Trumpkin and a liar. If we weren't so intertwined with business I'd already have him gone. I'm honestly still in shock that everything I thought I knew about him is wrong. I don't know him at all.

Like you, my brother is also a Trumpkin. During the primaries he told me he didn't like Trump at all, but now he's all in on Trump. That makes him a hypocrite, so I'm thinking I don't need him in my life either. More than anything, like many right wing nuts, he is anti-Hillary. I just don't have any patience or tolerance for a grown-ass man who has never been open-minded enough to allow the facts into his mind. So I'm done. We've never been all that close anyway, so I won't miss him much.

What saves me is that my children (all grown) feel the same way I do. And they think my husband is bat-shit crazy. I'm not alone like you, but I do understand your pain. I hope DU is a place that gives you some sense of inclusiveness. I can't even express what it did to me to not be able to come here and read (I don't post much, but read often) on election night and the nightmare days that followed because of some f-ing loser horrid person who couldn't stand that we're allowed to having differing views in this country....at least for the time being. Time will tell on that issue.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

87. We dropped everyone in the Trump-pa-pa band.

[left-of-center2012]

88. That describes my brothers

The only way we can get along is to not talk about politics or religion.
Fortunately (?) they don't live in my state and we communicate by rare phones calls and email.

[calimary]

89. All I'll add is the following:

It is UTTER FOLLY to think what we need to do is "try to get along."

https://newrepublic.com/article/138787/obama-can-put-merrick-garland-supreme-court

There's such a thing as being cooperative or "nice." But it's quite another to be UNWITTINGLY SUICIDAL. From the article:

There are consequences to one party being more aggressive about defying governing norms. If liberal legislation can’t break a Republican filibuster, but Democrats don’t offer the same resistance, the playing field is tilted to conservative policy. If Republicans use any maneuver to get appointees in place, and Democrats don’t, conservatives become more likely to be ensconced at executive agencies. If Republicans are willing to blackmail the government and Democrats aren’t, they get more concessions from that blackmail. If Republicans use gerrymandering and voter suppression and every available tool more sharply than Democrats, we get conservative government even if we vote for a liberal one.

Democrats, in short, bring a butter knife to a gunfight. They may be correct on the merits that institutional norms allow the government to function properly. But as long as Republicans don’t care about such niceties, that respect is equivalent to surrender.

[wordpix]

95. I am standing up to local repukes in court - I've had it with them

I am involved in a local catfight to protect a small open space that the town gave away, illegally, to a developer. The people responsible and the people who covered it up (2/3 the same) are repugs. Two (legal) parties and three intervenors are now in court over approval of a settlement that boils down to: the town approves the worst kind of wetlands development.

I am an intervenor fighting this little fight and here is the rub: I am before a judge appointed by our Dem gov. Judge is doing flips to be fair. But he knows this whole issue involves an illegal giveaway of the property by repugs, who have kept our region in their sleazy hands for 25 years, b/c I've made it clear the "standard operating procedure" is in full force in our town and this development/settlement is just one example. SOP being certain things repugs do to obtain and remain in power-by-despotism.

This election has just given me more passion to let the repugs know it is not over, we are still protesting in our own little ways.

And even if our little trio loses in court, we put up a good fight and led the way for younger others to follow. The intervenors are 2 in their 60's and one 75 y.o.

[lunatica]

91. He who gloats last wins

Don't worry, hopefully sooner than later the Trump gloaters will realize they've been royally conned by the Orange Man and they sure as hell won't be gloating then. You will. We will. And in that most irritating of ways, by saying, "I told you so"

[wordpix]

92. My sympathy, grits. I luckily have lots of Dem fam and friends

Just stay here. We get you.

[raccoon]

102. I feel your pain. I'm in the same state. nt

[dembotoz]

103. i had forgotten the word quisling

but not any more

thank you for that and happy happy

remember you have us here at du and while that and 78 cents will get you a cup of hot coffee at mcdonalds when your are as old as i am in my area....having du has meant a lot to me