Stronger Together

[angrychair]

Have we learned nothing from this election? All this divisive talk, talk of closed primaries and walking around with blinders on talking about the popular vote is not doing our Democratic Party any favors.

Bernie Sanders is not our enemy. I've started to see a lot of backhanded comments and digs on him not being a Democrat or attempts to re-hash the primaries. This kind of divisiveness is not going to help our Party move forward. If we are to recover from this we need all hands on deck and a new plan.

While Clinton may have got more votes overall, she even got more actual votes for president than any white male ever, more importantly, she lost states Democrats have won since the 80's.

The Electoral College is not going away anytime soon so we have to win states we didn't win. If we cannot carry Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio or Wisconsin than we are out in the cold forever. If we don't focus as much on governorships and state legislatures as much as we do the presidency, than we are out in the cold forever.

You can flame me and beat me up all you want. I'm a big boy. I, too, am not your enemy. Eating our own tail will not help us win elections or allow us put forth a better way forward for our country.

Trump is a narcissistic, racist, bigoted and xenophobic fascist. We are either united in our fight against his agenda or we will all become a victim of it. Your choice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. I agree. Now is not the time for internecine warfare.

[11 Bravo]

2. I agree that Bernie is not our enemy. I'm not so sure about ...

Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.

[angrychair]

3. Correct

Stein and Johnson have nothing of value to add to our discussion. They have zero understanding of how things work, especially Johnson, Libertarians are completely fringe wingnuts.

[onecaliberal]

4. Agree!

[HassleCat]

5. Finger of blame

I am a true Democrat. If you were like me, held my values, felt my concerns, embraced my passions, etc we would have won. It's your fault for being too progressive, too concerned about (insert issue here), not concerned exclusively with my issue or identity group, blah, blah, blah

[ehrnst]

6. If women, LGBTQs, PoC and new Americans are getting thrown under the bus as "identity politics"

I will not be quiet about that.

Opportunists trying to call that a "revolution" don't deserve a place at the table.

[angrychair]

8. Not sure I follow

You think people like Sanders or Rep Ellison are throwing people under the bus? I don't see that myself but I am more than willing to hear you out and understand you point of view.

[ehrnst]

9. Yes, I think that Bernie has now equated "identity politics"

"political correctness" on the right. The economic concerns of the "white working class" are being neglected because of these "other groups." You know, the ones that are coalitions that have made the Democratic party strong.

He has been doing this for years.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-boston-speech-identity-class-politics

http://www.rawstory.com/2013/10/bernie-sanders-tells-ed-schultz-southern-democrats-are-tired-of-being-abandoned-by-the-party/

[Horse with no Name]

7. this was the uprising of the white class

fighting for the future....I don't think that the media is talking about that enough.

[angrychair]

11. I don't think that is the whole story.

Our country has pockets of people with very serious economic issues and our nation's elected leadership, at a local, state and national level has been doing us a disservice for years. We have been lied to because it was politically expedient. We have continued to allow people to believe that manufacturing and industrial jobs, in the context of years past, could or should be a legitimate job prospect. We have failed ourselves and failed to develop for new economic developments and failed to educate ourselves for the needs we have now and the needs we will have in our future. Even if coal mining, steel or textile manufacturing came back, I think some should, it would not employ in the same numbers, for the same pay or have the same needs as in years past. Industrial controls, engineering and robotics are what those fields need now. We have hundreds of thousands of unfilled jobs in these fields as well as computer programming and other computer-related fields. Education and apprenticeship programs need to be completely overhauled and our focus needs to be on our future, not our past.

[CrispyQ]

10. The Trouble For Democrats Thats Not Spelled With a Capital T-R-U-M-P

When I read posts suggesting that the US should split, I look at this map & wonder, how do you split that?

The Trouble For Democrats That’s Not Spelled With a Capital T-R-U-M-P
While the party has been making history at the national level, it's losing ground in the states.

BY KATHY KIELY | JULY 27, 2016

http://billmoyers.com/story/trouble-democrats-thats-not-spelled-capital-t-r-u-m-p/#.V5kEcNTzHwE.facebook



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Since 2010, in contests for state House and state Senate seats, Democrats have racked up a net deficit of 913 seats. Republicans now control 68 of the nation’s 99 state legislative chambers, a historic high. Of the 31 states where one party enjoys a “trifecta” — holding the governor’s office and majorities in both state legislative chambers — Republicans are in charge in 22.

That has enormous implications nationally.

“In 2010, we gave away the House of Representatives for a decade,” Rathod said, referring to the congressional redistricting maps, redrawn after every new Census. In most states that’s done by legislators, and in most states Republicans controlled the process. The result are district lines that are so favorable to Republicans that many experts believe it will take another redistricting for Democrats to even have a prayer of regaining the House speakership.