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I remember back in the late 70's, when liberals supported the Ayatollah Khomeni, I asked about the fact he seemed to be a religious fanatic, and was summarily dismissed.
I complained about how corrupt and brutal Arafat was, and was also summarily dismissed by liberals.
I complained about how corrupt and brutal Mugabe in Zimbabwe is, and have been dismissed as well.
I call it as it is, Maduro in Venezuela is incompetent, corrupt and brutal, and get dismissed.
Now it's Castro.
An article was posted here that is absolute bullshit, saying what great guy Castro is, from the same web site that said Pol Pot wasn't a bad guy.
I'm not making this up!
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/pol-pot-revisited/
Is this going to be the usual on "our side," dictators are ok if they are leftist?
JHan
(10,173 posts)You're possibly familiar with her anyway, I love how she wisely chided the leftist love of Communists back in the day. If you're not familiar with this from her, it'll restore your faith in liberals ( and liberal values) :This snippet:
"I have the impression that much of what is said about politics by people on the so-called democratic leftwhich includes many people here tonighthas been governed by the wish not to give comfort to reactionary forces. With that consideration in mind, people on the left have willingly or unwittingly told a lot of lies. We were unwilling to identify ourselves as anti-Communists because that was the slogan of the right, the ideology of the cold war and, in particular, the justification of Americas support of fascist dictatorships in Latin America and of the American war on Vietnam. (The story, of course, starts much earlier, in Europe in the late 1920s, with the rise of fascism, whose principal war cry was anti-Communism.) The anti-Communist position seems already taken care of by those we oppose at home.
I want to challenge this view.
There are many lessons to be learned from the Polish events. But, I would maintain, the principal lesson to be learned is the lesson of the failure of Communism, the utter villainy of the Communist system. It has been a hard lesson to learn. And I am struck by how long it has taken us to learn it. I say weand of course I include myself. I can remember reading a chapter of Czeslaw Miloszs The Captive Mind in Partisan Review: When it came out in 1953, I bought the booka passionate account of the dishonesty and coerciveness of intellectual and cultural life in Poland in the first years of Communism, which troubled me but which I also regarded as an instrument of cold war propaganda, giving aid and comfort to McCarthyism. I put it on my students bookshelf. Still a student (though an unofficial one) twenty-seven years later, in 1980, on the eve of my first visit to Poland, I took down my old copy of The Captive Mind from the shelf, re-read it (for the first time) and thought, and thought only: But its all true. And in Poland, I was to learn that Milosz had, if anything, underestimated the disgrace of the Communist regime instilled by force in his country.
I have asked myself many times in the past six years or so how it was possible that I could have been so suspicious of what Milosz and other exiles from Communist countriesand those in the West known bitterly as premature anti- Communistswere telling us. Why did we not have a place for, ears for, their truth? The answers are well known. We had identified the enemy as fascism. We heard the demonic language of fascism. We believed in, or at least applied a double standard to, the angelic language of Communism. Now we take another line. Now it seems easy to do so. But for many decades, when horrors exactly like, no, far worse than, the horrors now taking place in Poland took place, we did not meet to protest and express our indignation, as we are doing tonight. We were so sure who our enemies were (among them, the professional anti-Communists), so sure who were the virtuous and who the benighted. But I am struck by the fact that, despite the rightness of many of our views and aspirations, in particular our sense of the madness of a nuclear war between the superpowers and our hopes for reforms of the many injustices of our own system, we were not responding to a large truth. And we were countenancing a great deal of untruth."
https://www.thenation.com/article/communism-and-left/
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Even Hitler did things for the working class.
JI7
(89,244 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)While some articles on it are interesting, quite a lot seem to be just what I call mirror-image-ism ('we will take the same view as the Right about those on our side being blameless, and those on the other side being the Axis of Evil, but we'll just reverse the sides!') or even professional trolling. Israel Shamir is particularly dodgy: he has posted a lot of stuff that's frankly anti-Semitic: despite the pseudonym, he is almost certainly not Jewish.