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kpete

(71,985 posts)
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:08 PM Nov 2016

Texas Elector Resigns: Trump Is Not Qualified And I Cannot Vote For Him



A member of the Electoral College representing Texas, Art Sisneros, wrote on Saturday that he will resign as an elector because he refuses to cast a vote for Donald Trump.

Sisneros had previously spoken out against Trump, telling Politico in August that he was considering voting against Trump even if he won the electoral college. But in a blog post on Saturday, Sisneros wrote that he does not want to be a "faithless" elector and cannot bring himself to vote for Trump, so he decided to resign from his role as an elector.

"I do not see how Donald Trump is biblically qualified to serve in the office of the Presidency. Of the hundreds of angry messages that I have received, not one has made a convincing case from scripture otherwise,"
he wrote on his blog "The Blessed Path." "If Trump is not qualified and my role, both morally and historically, as an elected official is to vote my conscience, then I can not and will not vote for Donald Trump for President. I believe voting for Trump would bring dishonor to God."

"Since I can’t in good conscience vote for Donald Trump, and yet have sinfully made a pledge that I would, the best option I see at this time is to resign my position as an Elector,"
Sisneros continued. "This will allow the remaining body of Electors to fill my vacancy when they convene on Dec 19 with someone that can vote for Trump. The people will get their vote. They will get their Skittles for dinner. I will sleep well at night knowing I neither gave in to their demands nor caved to my convictions. I will also mourn the loss of our republic."


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/art-sisneros-elector-resigns-over-trump
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Texas Elector Resigns: Trump Is Not Qualified And I Cannot Vote For Him (Original Post) kpete Nov 2016 OP
Just my take, but the passage, saltpoint Nov 2016 #1
I know, right? There is no religious test! Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #40
Was thinking the same, DnSK. We get that saltpoint Nov 2016 #41
Because the Bible? NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2016 #2
Why did he not take an even braver stand and vote for Hillary Clinton? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #3
He should take an even BRAVER stand... SpankMe Nov 2016 #23
Apparently his "bravery" has defined limits. eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #25
"...voting for Trump would bring dishonor to God." Achilleaze Nov 2016 #4
Biblically qualified? Is that a new qualification for POTUS in USA , land of freedom now? lunasun Nov 2016 #5
I know, right? annabanana Nov 2016 #6
Yo, this is Texas, I live here elehhhhna Nov 2016 #14
I thank you for a thoughtful reply, and agree. Maybe txwhitedove Nov 2016 #22
exactly n/t deek Nov 2016 #32
How do I know? -- The BIBLE tells me so. immoderate Nov 2016 #7
I was fine until I got to "biblically qualified". no_hypocrisy Nov 2016 #8
yes!!!! split off the evangelicals!!! mopinko Nov 2016 #9
I'll bet that is exactly what is going to happen. Eventually they will turn on the Orange ape to smirkymonkey Nov 2016 #29
i have been waiting for this crack to appear. mopinko Nov 2016 #35
So vote for someone "biblically qualified" instead... Freethinker65 Nov 2016 #10
Exactly. progressoid Nov 2016 #13
How about voting for a Methodist greymattermom Nov 2016 #21
Ha, I did vote for a Methodist Sunday School teacher, but txwhitedove Nov 2016 #38
I'll add to the "biblically qualified" wtf on this jberryhill Nov 2016 #11
Fundamentalist resigns rather than vote DFT uppityperson Nov 2016 #12
Oh, can I pig pile on this? Please! Pacifist Patriot Nov 2016 #15
Did the turnip tweet a shit fit about it yet? eleny Nov 2016 #16
"I believe voting for Trump would bring dishonor to God". Well- there ya go! nt jmg257 Nov 2016 #17
Cowardly idiot who won't vote his conscience allows others to do the dirty work. TeamPooka Nov 2016 #18
Sounds like it's time to purge ALL Electoral College voters and eliminate Fund-A-Mental cases Roland99 Nov 2016 #19
Too bad he resigned, instead of voting for someone else. n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #20
He should have done his job, that's what Electors are there for bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #24
He couldn't find his Biblical courage for that. world wide wally Nov 2016 #36
So Trump isn't Christian enough for that moronic elector? MineralMan Nov 2016 #26
he pussied out so somebody else could vote for Trump paulkienitz Nov 2016 #27
Washing his hands of Trump. cate94 Nov 2016 #28
Sounds like a coward hiding behind his own interpretation of biblical passages/teachings Solly Mack Nov 2016 #30
Republicans used to split into Half-Breed and Mugwump factions Bucky Nov 2016 #34
I enjoy crab. Solly Mack Nov 2016 #39
Stupid Republicans, even when they're right they're wrong. Bucky Nov 2016 #31
The Texas Election code is interesting on this issue Gothmog Nov 2016 #33
Trolls? leanforward Nov 2016 #37

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
1. Just my take, but the passage,
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:09 PM
Nov 2016

"I do not see how Donald Trump is biblically qualified..."

makes me want to puke.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
40. I know, right? There is no religious test!
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:44 PM
Nov 2016

If the dude had courage rather than a bible he might stay and vote against Trump.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
41. Was thinking the same, DnSK. We get that
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:50 PM
Nov 2016

he doesn't like Trump (!), but we just don't really need his personal religious trip wrapped around his face while he tells us.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. Why did he not take an even braver stand and vote for Hillary Clinton?
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:12 PM
Nov 2016

He will simply be replaced as an Elector by a Trump supporter.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
23. He should take an even BRAVER stand...
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:41 PM
Nov 2016

...and stay in there and be a faithless elector. Messages need to be sent.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
4. "...voting for Trump would bring dishonor to God."
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:14 PM
Nov 2016

Yet the G.O.P. is in full-on BrownNose Mode, and down on Bended Knees for Comrade Casino (R). What does that tell you about so-called "Republican Family Values"? That it's just a big bag of phony Republican crap, and now everyone knows it.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
5. Biblically qualified? Is that a new qualification for POTUS in USA , land of freedom now?
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:15 PM
Nov 2016

"I do not see how Donald Trump is biblically qualified to serve in the office of the Presidency. Of the hundreds of angry messages that I have received, not one has made a convincing case from scripture otherwise," he wrote on his blog "The Blessed Path"
 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
14. Yo, this is Texas, I live here
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:53 PM
Nov 2016


This man is really smart . This is the one excuse that will keep crazy Republican people from burning down his house. Seriously.

Also, all the Abrahamic religions outline what a good leader looks like, and it ain't Donald Trump. Idgaf if he cites MY LITTLE PONY, lol. He is a man of conscience.

txwhitedove

(3,928 posts)
22. I thank you for a thoughtful reply, and agree. Maybe
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:39 PM
Nov 2016

this will get Repubs re-reading those bibles, anything that will show they have been mislead.

mopinko

(70,085 posts)
9. yes!!!! split off the evangelicals!!!
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:26 PM
Nov 2016

there is no more vulnerable bunch of electors than the ones who are listening to "god". if they can be convinced that god doesnt like cheeto, which was already being said before the election, there could be real cracks in the ec.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
29. I'll bet that is exactly what is going to happen. Eventually they will turn on the Orange ape to
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:55 PM
Nov 2016

get their man Pence in there.

Freethinker65

(10,010 posts)
10. So vote for someone "biblically qualified" instead...
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:28 PM
Nov 2016

Seriously, how does someone like this get to be an elector? This is truly frightening.

progressoid

(49,983 posts)
13. Exactly.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:48 PM
Nov 2016

Of course, it is equally frightening that anyone would willingly vote for Drumpf regardless of biblical qualifications (whatever the fuck that is).

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. I'll add to the "biblically qualified" wtf on this
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:43 PM
Nov 2016

If this guy thinks the Bible sets forth qualifications for President of the U.S., then he should definitely not be an elector.

His type of thinking is as scary as Trump's.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
15. Oh, can I pig pile on this? Please!
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:12 PM
Nov 2016

WTF?!?!?! No person on the planet is biblically qualified to serve in the office of the Presidency. Geez, I wouldn't even know where to begin on how thoroughly wrong and offensive that statement is.

bucolic_frolic

(43,133 posts)
24. He should have done his job, that's what Electors are there for
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:42 PM
Nov 2016

Instead he prefers someone else as a rubber stamp

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
36. He couldn't find his Biblical courage for that.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:35 PM
Nov 2016

Isn't there a Bible story about Daniel being put in a den of lions but he never worried because he had faith in God to protect him… and we walked out unharmed.
So why do these Christians shit in the pants every time they turn around whether it be Trump or the terrorists?
I guess their faith has limits.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
26. So Trump isn't Christian enough for that moronic elector?
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:45 PM
Nov 2016

Wonderful. Just wonderful. This country seems to be full of strange people with strange ideas about government.

"Biblically qualified?" WTF does that even mean. There were no governments that were elected by common people in biblical times. Not a single one.

The Bible doesn't lay out any qualifications for Presidents, for pity's sake.

paulkienitz

(1,296 posts)
27. he pussied out so somebody else could vote for Trump
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:52 PM
Nov 2016

instead of actually voting for someone else? Fail.

cate94

(2,810 posts)
28. Washing his hands of Trump.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:53 PM
Nov 2016

No moral courage. Moral courage would be to take a stand, not place the blame on someone else.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
30. Sounds like a coward hiding behind his own interpretation of biblical passages/teachings
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:59 PM
Nov 2016

that have absolutely no bearing on our government to begin with either way.

" biblically qualified" WTF does that even mean? Circumcised? Not circumcised? Beard? No beard? Wears mixed blend fabrics? Saved? Not saved? Foot washing? Non foot washing? Washed in the blood of the lamb? Not washed in the blood of the lamb? Once saved always saved? Hard shell? Soft shell? Saturday Bingo, Sunday repenting? (Why, yes. Yes I did grow up around various types of Baptists)

What? Seriously - what the fuck does that even mean?

If his conscience tells him Trump isn't qualified, then instead of running away from the job, he should vote Clinton. If he really thinks
a vote for Trump means the loss of the republic, then his running away makes him a coward. Hiding behind some warped belief that being " biblically qualified" is in any way an acceptable factor in electing a president is beneath contempt.

Feh!



Bucky

(53,998 posts)
34. Republicans used to split into Half-Breed and Mugwump factions
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:27 PM
Nov 2016

But I think it'd totally awesome if they split along soft shell vs hardshell ideological lines.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
31. Stupid Republicans, even when they're right they're wrong.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:23 PM
Nov 2016

"biblically qualified" -- utterly lame.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
33. The Texas Election code is interesting on this issue
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:27 PM
Nov 2016

Since the elector is attempting to resign after the presidential election date, he has to wait until the day of the meeting of the electoral college and not show up. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/EL/htm/EL.192.htm

Sec. 192.006. MEETING OF ELECTORS. (a) The electors shall convene at the State Capitol at 2 p.m. on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December following their election and shall perform their duties as prescribed by federal law.
(b) The secretary of state shall arrange for the meeting place, notify the electors, and call the meeting to order. The secretary shall act as temporary chair of the meeting until the electors elect a chair from among themselves.
(c) If an elector is absent at the time for convening the meeting, the electors may declare the elector position vacant by a majority vote of those present at the meeting.

Acts 1985, 69th Leg., ch. 211, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1986. Amended by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 864, Sec. 201, eff. Sept. 1, 1997.


Sec. 192.007. REPLACEMENT AFTER ELECTION. (a) The electors meeting to vote for president and vice-president may appoint a replacement elector by a majority vote of the qualified electors present if:
(1) the vacancy occurred before presidential election day and a replacement was not chosen under Section 192.004;
(2) on or after presidential election day, an elector is declared ineligible or dies; or
(3) the vacancy is declared under Section 192.006(c).
(b) The chair of the electors shall notify the secretary of state of the name and residence address of a replacement elector immediately on the replacement's appointment.

Acts 1985, 69th Leg., ch. 211, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1986. Amended by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 864, Sec. 202, eff. Sept. 1, 1997.

If the elector had resigned before the election date, he could be replaced by the Texas GOP. Now, this elector has until the meeting of the electoral college to change his mind. Hopefully he will show up and vote against trump. There is evidently no penalty in Texas for being a faithless elector

leanforward

(1,076 posts)
37. Trolls?
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:38 PM
Nov 2016

Sounds to me the Elector has principles and is standing by them. He and I are of different parties, but appears to be someone I could trust, as a member of the loyal opposition. Anyone who uses language the way tRump has, lost my respect last year. Likewise, he has turned everything upside down with the electorate with lies and more lies. For his personal benefit. He is like playing with a rattlesnake, "he won't bite me, because I know what I'm doing". After these election results, the sad thing is being in the majority, and have to suffer the tyranny of the minority.

What they want to do will NOT take care of the disadvantaged. Have you ever walked down a street that had open sewers?

I am a democrat for economic and social justice.

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