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blm

(113,037 posts)
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:05 PM Nov 2016

Gen Petraeus was directing events in Benghazi before, during and after the attack.

But GOP had zero interest in blaming Petraeus for how he handled his covert operations there. Not when they could try and pin it on Obama before the 2012 election.

That didn't work. OK…so by Nov 2012 every GOP senator and congressperson knew Benghazi was a covert CIA operation under the direction of Gen Petraeus who had dozens of his agents and operatives on the ground there before, during, and after the attack. But….they also know that a WH is not going to give up its CIA under any circumstance and it would take over a decade for any relevant documents to be revealed, if at all.

Shift blame to Sec of State Clinton and the State Dept.

Attack her on this for the next four years.

Now Gen Petraeus may, ironically, be moving into the position of Sec of State, after letting Republicans and Trump spend 4 years laying all the blame for HIS operations onto Sec of State and Democratic nominee Clinton.

Please reread news reports from Nov 2012. Even the media knew that Benghazi was a covert CIA mission being directed by Gen Petraeus, but, they chose to pretend otherwise as GOP congress was promising them something they couldn't resist - a 4 year spectacle attacking Hillary Clinton relentlessly.

Let's keep reminding them that some of us will not forget the TRUTH…..or forgive the LIES.
I urge you to read the Nov2012 report in the Wall Street Journal in its entirety.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-libya-cia-idUSBRE8A102T20121102
CIA officials in Libya made key decisions during Benghazi attacks

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204712904578092853621061838
CIA Takes Heat for Role in Libya

When the bodies of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans killed in Benghazi, Libya, arrived at Andrews Air Force Base after the Sept. 11 attack, they were greeted by the president, the vice president and the secretaries of state and defense. Conspicuously absent was CIA Director David Petraeus.
Officials close to Mr. Petraeus say he stayed away in an effort to conceal the agency's role in collecting intelligence and providing security in Benghazi. Two of the four men who died that day, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, were former Navy SEAL commandos who were publicly identified as State Department contract security officers, but who actually worked as Central Intelligence Agency contractors, U.S. officials say.

The U.S. effort in Benghazi was at its heart a CIA operation, according to officials briefed on the intelligence. Of the more than 30 American officials evacuated from Benghazi following the deadly assault, only seven worked for the State Department. Nearly all the rest worked for the CIA, under diplomatic cover, which was a principal purpose of the consulate, these officials said.
….
Nearly eight weeks after the attacks, a complete accounting hasn't emerged in public view. The brunt of the public criticism for security lapses has so far been directed at the State Department, rather than the CIA, which, by design, operates largely in the shadows. Critics in Congress say the CIA has used secrecy in part to shield itself from blame—a charge officials close to the agency deny.

This account of the CIA presence in Benghazi sheds new light on the events, and how the essentially covert nature of the U.S. operations there created confusion. Congressional investigators say it appears that the CIA and State Department weren't on the same page about their respective roles on security, underlining the rift between agencies over taking responsibility and raising questions about whether the security arrangement in Benghazi was flawed.

The CIA's secret role helps explain why security appeared inadequate at the U.S. diplomatic facility. State Department officials believed that responsibility was set to be shouldered in part by CIA personnel in the city through a series of secret agreements that even some officials in Washington didn't know about.
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Gen Petraeus was directing events in Benghazi before, during and after the attack. (Original Post) blm Nov 2016 OP
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Nov 2016 #1
WHOA!! Not much surprises me.. THIS sure did... pangaia Nov 2016 #2
Because news media wouldn't highlight or discuss the truth they KNEW. blm Nov 2016 #22
Exactly have complaints regardimg the response? gordianot Nov 2016 #3
GOP committees kept most of the questioning of Petraeus closed. blm Nov 2016 #61
Thanks for putting this together. Rec. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #4
KnR Hekate Nov 2016 #5
So what happens during a confirmation hearing? exboyfil Nov 2016 #6
Well, we know DU gets read by GOP operatives - Reince will warn him. blm Nov 2016 #9
IMO, this stuff just benefits the right. Stevens and his Hortensis Nov 2016 #54
K&R Solly Mack Nov 2016 #7
petraeus is CURRENTLY UNDER A 2 YEAR PROBATION for providing classified docs to girlfriend spanone Nov 2016 #8
Sellar guy!!!!!! Not. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #17
I was listening to CNN radio this morning and I believe that I heard that the President can grant CentralMass Nov 2016 #30
Using GOP logic it should be Petraeus who IS called the Butcher of Baghdad. blm Nov 2016 #63
I've yelled at people for years about the CIA in Benghazi. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2016 #10
Yep - and Trey Gowdy expected people like your brother to believe the GOP lies. blm Nov 2016 #11
It's somewhat known around these parts Duppers Nov 2016 #40
I told them about the CIA being in embassies. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2016 #45
It looks like the shadow government is coming out of the shadows. jalan48 Nov 2016 #12
Especially given the relentless attacks on HRC for the last 4yrs. blm Nov 2016 #13
It almost seems like a coup is taking place. jalan48 Nov 2016 #16
"Seems"? world wide wally Nov 2016 #18
LOL-I was holding on to some optimism. jalan48 Nov 2016 #19
State Dept has been covering for CIA since its post WW2 beginnings. blm Nov 2016 #49
It's a sad situation. Benghazi contributed to her losing. jalan48 Nov 2016 #50
Most media was aware of Petraeus being in charge - they CHOSE to ignore blm Nov 2016 #56
Inevitable some new clandestine cluster f..k has already been cooked up. CentralMass Nov 2016 #29
It's Petraeus not Hillary SHRED Nov 2016 #14
yes, apparently Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #23
I think you are missing the point. StevieM Nov 2016 #58
Excellent summary, blm lanlady Nov 2016 #15
fucking GOP Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #24
Thanks for posting. I had forgotten about his timing Ilsa Nov 2016 #20
Shortly after these reports came out the FBI stepped in with their 'discovery' blm Nov 2016 #34
OMG! Thanks for this blm. anamandujano Nov 2016 #21
Much like Oliver North and Richard Secord were in charge of the botched Iran hostage rescue mission. TroubleMan Nov 2016 #25
Is this 100% factual? SCVDem Nov 2016 #26
What do you question? That news was reported in Nov 2012. Research it yourself. blm Nov 2016 #28
If incredulous, or merely curious LanternWaste Nov 2016 #57
Great post. CentralMass Nov 2016 #27
The night of the attack Romney's craven campaign tried to make political hay out of it. Tactical Peek Nov 2016 #31
But it's OK because he's a Republican Achilleaze Nov 2016 #32
Being a cruel, deceitful prick is a desirable status in the GOP. blm Nov 2016 #36
I remember Bill Maher at the time NewJeffCT Nov 2016 #38
The problem comes down to corpmedia letting Republicans control narrative on blm Nov 2016 #41
Rec and bookmark. progressoid Nov 2016 #33
wow, this shows the media is not in the least treestar Nov 2016 #35
Most media was fully aware of these facts back in 2012, but, they were too invested blm Nov 2016 #37
And Republicans refused to fund Embassy security. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #39
Why didn't Hillary expose this during all the attacks? kentuck Nov 2016 #42
Because no WH or its State Dept reveals CIA operations in dangerous regions. blm Nov 2016 #44
The same General Petraeus who knowingly and intentionally gave his girlfriend classified information Iggo Nov 2016 #43
Ya know, I don't particularly hold Benghazi against Petreus. MrModerate Nov 2016 #46
Not my point - It's that GOP congress and most media KNEW it was Petraeus' op and blm Nov 2016 #47
True. kentuck Nov 2016 #48
This is the first I had heard of this underpants Nov 2016 #51
Is that a polite way of telling me that you skip over most of my posts? blm Nov 2016 #55
LMAO underpants Nov 2016 #59
heheh.I know.and I was only kidding.. blm Nov 2016 #60
and gave all that secret info to his little girlfriend MFM008 Nov 2016 #52
That's different secret info, pre-Benghazi attack. Evidently GOP Benghazi committees blm Nov 2016 #62
Kick!!!!!! spanone Nov 2016 #53

blm

(113,037 posts)
61. GOP committees kept most of the questioning of Petraeus closed.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:27 PM
Nov 2016

They never wanted the public to hear the truth once it was Dem time to question.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
54. IMO, this stuff just benefits the right. Stevens and his
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:50 PM
Nov 2016

detail died because he made a basic tactical mistake. With literally thousands of militia groups prowling Libya, most of them anti-American, he stayed too long in one unsecured position. ALL of our consuls and embassies around the planet are mini-fortresses for a reason, and they should have been safe in one of them that night.

I have a great regard for Stevens, he was a fine, dedicated, and brave man who wanted to help a sustainable nation arise from the revolution. But this was not about all these extraneous details being argued over. Stevens made a tragic mistake. RIP, and let the Republicans be the ONLY ones who twist and exploit these men's deaths for political advantage.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
30. I was listening to CNN radio this morning and I believe that I heard that the President can grant
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:16 PM
Nov 2016

security clearance to anyone. They were discussing General Petraeus.

blm

(113,037 posts)
63. Using GOP logic it should be Petraeus who IS called the Butcher of Baghdad.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 08:36 PM
Nov 2016

Except he's a Republican, so he not only gets a pass, but, they'll shift the blame onto a Democrat and be relentless about it…..for FOUR YEARS.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
10. I've yelled at people for years about the CIA in Benghazi.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:22 PM
Nov 2016

I told them that the embassy may have stayed open because of their agents. I also said that the CIA was there cahooting around and up to no good.
I told my dumbass brother that the only way to know what happened would be to make the CIA testify somehow.
Hillary couldn't point at them without being accused of giving up secrets.

blm

(113,037 posts)
11. Yep - and Trey Gowdy expected people like your brother to believe the GOP lies.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:47 PM
Nov 2016

They know their audience - they know their voters.

An honest assessment of what happened in Benghazi would be good for the American people, and good for the integrity of our nation's governance, but, not so good for GOP candidates around the country.

GOP opted to lie for 4 straight years.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
40. It's somewhat known around these parts
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:35 PM
Nov 2016

(CIA training camp, The Farm, area) that their agents have embassy stations.

One agent and his wife years ago adopted a dog we had and talked long enough for us to put 2&2 together. Interesting story.

Yet most local wingers cannot make the correlation. Typical.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
45. I told them about the CIA being in embassies.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:40 PM
Nov 2016

Hillary can't say anything about that.
That may be part of the reason the embassy stayed open.

jalan48

(13,852 posts)
12. It looks like the shadow government is coming out of the shadows.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:04 PM
Nov 2016

A general who is on probation for intentionally leaking classified information is being considered for Sec. of State. This is really too crazy.

jalan48

(13,852 posts)
16. It almost seems like a coup is taking place.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:18 PM
Nov 2016

Factions within the secret government fighting for control-Comey comes to mind.

jalan48

(13,852 posts)
19. LOL-I was holding on to some optimism.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:43 PM
Nov 2016

The fact that Hillary couldn't expose what was really going on in Libya is disturbing. Looks like we're toast.

jalan48

(13,852 posts)
50. It's a sad situation. Benghazi contributed to her losing.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:40 PM
Nov 2016

Secrets and more secrets. Necessary though, keeping us out of harms way and all that.

blm

(113,037 posts)
56. Most media was aware of Petraeus being in charge - they CHOSE to ignore
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:12 PM
Nov 2016

the facts in favor of the spectacle they knew the GOP congress could deliver to them.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
29. Inevitable some new clandestine cluster f..k has already been cooked up.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:11 PM
Nov 2016

It's only a matter of time before blowback hits.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
14. It's Petraeus not Hillary
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:14 PM
Nov 2016

Benghazi, emails, email server, lied to the FBI, and gave away classified info to the woman he was cheating with.

Are we living in upside down world?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
58. I think you are missing the point.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:26 PM
Nov 2016

They said: "Liberal!! Liberal!!"

And that changes everything, of course.

I hope you see your mistake.

lanlady

(7,133 posts)
15. Excellent summary, blm
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:17 PM
Nov 2016

Benghazi was a CIA screw-up from start to finish, but you didn't see Trey Gowdy hauling in Petraeus or Brennan for an 11-hour hostile interrogation or endless other investigations into agency emails or who said what at 11:56 versus 11:58 and all that other b.s.

It should have been obvious to any honest person - CIA is responsible for paramilitary ops and security, not the bloody State Department! Republicans never had any real interest in getting to the bottom of what happened, they just wanted to politicize the deaths of four people to make Clinton look bad.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
20. Thanks for posting. I had forgotten about his timing
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:47 PM
Nov 2016

at CIA coinciding with the attack on the Benghazi embassy.

blm

(113,037 posts)
34. Shortly after these reports came out the FBI stepped in with their 'discovery'
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:05 AM
Nov 2016

and Petraeus resigned.

That made it SO much easier for GOP congress to shift all blame onto State Department.

TroubleMan

(4,859 posts)
25. Much like Oliver North and Richard Secord were in charge of the botched Iran hostage rescue mission.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:44 PM
Nov 2016

....and then they went and worked for reagan.

Very, very similar situation.

blm

(113,037 posts)
28. What do you question? That news was reported in Nov 2012. Research it yourself.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:07 PM
Nov 2016

The media chose to have amnesia about the CIA's role in Benghazi because GOP congress was promising them a spectacle.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
57. If incredulous, or merely curious
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:19 PM
Nov 2016

If incredulous, or even merely curious, I would think you have the ability to research and conclude one way or the other.

Tactical Peek

(1,208 posts)
31. The night of the attack Romney's craven campaign tried to make political hay out of it.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:06 AM
Nov 2016

Before the ambassador's death had even been announced to the public. So much for partisanship ending at the water's edge.


Romney repeats sharp criticism of Obama after Benghazi, Cairo attacks

By Philip Rucker September 12, 2012

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Crises overseas tend to create moments of joint resolve back home, a time to pause from the daily bickering of partisan politics. But as news was streaming in about attacks on U.S. diplomatic missions in Egypt and Libya, Mitt Romney broke from that protocol.

Statements that the Republican presidential nominee made slamming President Obama led to a day of tumult for Romney, with leading voices in his party criticizing him and his top aides scrambling to prevent further damage.

The situation started Tuesday night, with Romney accusing Obama of sympathizing with anti-American interests in the Muslim world — a common line of attack from the Republican.

But the timing of the statement — in the middle of the ongoing incidents in Libya and Egypt — led to an outburst of criticism that built as the night went on and intensified after Romney reiterated the charge at a hastily staged news conference here Wednesday morning.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/romney-repeats-sharp-criticism-of-obama-on-libya-egypt-attacks/2012/09/12/31074af4-fcdf-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html


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They identified a chance to attack the opponent and they took it, regardless of the national interest.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
32. But it's OK because he's a Republican
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:27 AM
Nov 2016

...and as America has seen for years, Republicans do not do honesty, integrity, or responsibility.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
38. I remember Bill Maher at the time
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:58 AM
Nov 2016

he said a Republican general passed classified information to his Republican mistress and then told a Republican congressman about it, but the GOP still said it was Obama's fault.

blm

(113,037 posts)
41. The problem comes down to corpmedia letting Republicans control narrative on
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:51 PM
Nov 2016

everything, no matter the facts in front of their own eyes.

blm

(113,037 posts)
37. Most media was fully aware of these facts back in 2012, but, they were too invested
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:57 AM
Nov 2016

in the outrage business to let pass an opportunity for another GOP ginned up scandal against HRC.

blm

(113,037 posts)
44. Because no WH or its State Dept reveals CIA operations in dangerous regions.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:17 PM
Nov 2016

That would be akin to putting a target on all those locals cooperating with US, as well. Blowing it all wide open to save ones career is a Republican solution. SeeCheney/Plame.

PS: State Dept has been used as cover by CIA since the CIA started.

Iggo

(47,545 posts)
43. The same General Petraeus who knowingly and intentionally gave his girlfriend classified information
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:04 PM
Nov 2016

That General Petraeus.

Sounds like the kind of thing the republican congress would love to its teeth into, no?

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
46. Ya know, I don't particularly hold Benghazi against Petreus.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:50 PM
Nov 2016

There' was plenty of blame to go around regarding Benghazi, and god knows it's been spread to the four winds by now.

I was impressed by Petreus back in Iraq 12-13 years ago, and heck -- at least he's a professional. I can certainly see worse people in the post.

I see lots less qualified people being considered.

blm

(113,037 posts)
47. Not my point - It's that GOP congress and most media KNEW it was Petraeus' op and
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:56 PM
Nov 2016

used the knowledge (that a WH would protect the agency and all its operatives in the region facing ongoing dangers) to push a narrative that would serve their narrow electoral interests. HRC was always a peripheral figure to the events in Benghazi and yet she became the ONLY focus for blame by a GOP congress well aware that every charge they made against her was a complete lie.

The hypocrisy is beyond breathtaking.

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
48. True.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:00 PM
Nov 2016

During all the Benghazi hearings, they all knew it was a CIA operation, but they continued to blame Hillary Clinton for political advantage.

underpants

(182,717 posts)
59. LMAO
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:49 PM
Nov 2016

no not at all. I guess I just hadn't seen it.

The think meat in my bone bucket can only hold so much you know.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
52. and gave all that secret info to his little girlfriend
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:45 PM
Nov 2016

but THATS OK. Because republicans are scumbags.

blm

(113,037 posts)
62. That's different secret info, pre-Benghazi attack. Evidently GOP Benghazi committees
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 01:26 PM
Nov 2016

didn't think Petraeus' testimony about HIS covert CIA operation should be heard by the American people, but, they sure believed that they could score electoral points by pretending that Benghazi attacks were orchestrated by Clinton so she could kill people.

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