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sarisataka

(18,539 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:27 PM Nov 2016

It has been three weeks

and is time to start accepting some facts:

-Trump is not going to quit. Since he announced he was running everyone has treated it as a joke and predicted when he will deliver the punchline and drop out. Didn't happen before his nomination, didn't happen after, didn't happen at the 11th hour before the election when every poll predicted a loss. It isn't going to happen.

-he is not going to be removed for mental incompetence. For Republicans to do so would be an admission that they nominated and supported a lunatic for President. They will never do so barring some drastic action that they can legitimately claim to have had no prior knowledge of such a deficiency. Being an arrogant, racist, misogynist asshole was known well ahead of time.

-we are not going to get to vote over due to widespread fraud or outside involvement. First off all such theories are still speculation. Second to have a new vote because a foreign agency was able to affect the Presidential election on a national scale would be the greatest failing of our intelligence and security agencies in the history of the country. Pearl Harbor and 9/11 would be the equivalent of a 'made you look' joke by comparison. Such a breach would be dealt with outside of the public eye or media scrutiny.

-the recount will amount to nothing. Some votes will change but not enough for even one state to change its electoral votes.

-the electoral college will do exactly what it is in place to do. They will vote to confirm the majority vote of their state. The electors are selected by the party they represent. A difference of 1% between the predicted electoral total and the actual result will be shocking

-the electoral college was not some buried secret Constitutional quirk. It was well known ahead of time and much discussion took place here about how many electoral votes were needed to win the election. We well knew that total popular vote had no bearing on winning the White House and was nearly assured to be in favor of Hillary. The key was to win by state to get electoral votes. We failed. Not only did we miss out on nearly every swing state, but we lost in states that were so assuredly going to vote Democrat that little to no effort was put into swaying to voters in those states.

-no matter what we think of and demographic, they did not cost us the election. Over 90,000,000 votes were left on the table claimed by no one. Those people stayed home. If we could have convinced 1% of them to GOTV the election would have been very different.

Why face so much negativeness? To finish the grief process. The world did not end on November 8 but no amount of wishing, hoping or what if-ing is going to change who will be sworn in as President in January. We need to move to the end of the grief cycle. To paraphrase:

ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-
During this, the last stage in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.

You will start to look forward and actually plan things for the future. There are more elections to come.

And win. We must not trust to complacency again, learn from our mistakes and let this loss make us stronger
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CaliforniaPeggy

(149,560 posts)
1. You have laid the facts out very plainly, and I agree with you.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:37 PM
Nov 2016

We must deal with the hand that has been dealt to us, and we must not waver.

Our futures and the future of our country are at stake.

K&R

Farmgirl1961

(1,493 posts)
3. While I do agree...I want a little more time to mourn.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:51 PM
Nov 2016

I'm not quite ready to accept. I will after the recounts/audits and the electoral college meets on the 19th. That will pretty much seal the deal. Until them, I'm hanging on to shreds of hope. Call me delusional...I'm sure I am.

CrispyQ

(36,437 posts)
5. It makes me sick to my stomach, but I totally agree.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:02 PM
Nov 2016

Adding this quote, just because.

"The amount of Democratic energy and money being wasted on recounts instead of trying to win the Louisiana Senate Race is mind boggling," former Obama White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer tweeted on Thursday.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
9. This attitude that recounts in iffy states are a waste of energy and money is EXACTLY
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:11 PM
Nov 2016

why, over the years, we have gotten into this pickle of the Republicans pulling all sorts of shady election shit. Were all those extra votes in WI for Clinton? No, they were for Trump. This is how the Pubs managed to pull it off!!! We never truly gave them a fight in 2000, 2004, and this year they pull the same shit we never called them on, and they WON.

This is what happens when Democrats refuse to fight tooth and nail against Republicans. This. This. This.

This is why we begged, cried, and pleaded with Obama to put up a fight over anything. Anything. Don't reach across the fucking aisle, don't treat the knuckledraggers like they are human. Show us you'll fight for us, we will fight for you and the Democratic Party if you WILL. JUST. STAND. UP. This attitude is why the Democratic Party is losing support.

msongs

(67,381 posts)
6. the new regime will change the voting process to keep itself in power. you think suppression is bad
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:07 PM
Nov 2016

now just wait a few yrs

monmouth4

(9,691 posts)
7. I am also thinking the next four years will be absolutely awful for all of us, repubs included. The
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:36 PM
Nov 2016

2018 election should be much better for us and the 2020 election should go as we plan. I doubt trump will even be in office by then but my point is that the repubs will screw up their time in the White House so badly, and leave us disgusted, well, you know the rest..

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
8. "There are more elections to come."
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:49 PM
Nov 2016

Specifically, "You will start to look forward and actually plan things for the future. There are more elections to come."

For some people, there are NOT more elections to come. I don't mean to be a downer. We are all down enough already. But that is reality, and something for which not a lot of attention has been paid. I've seen posts to that effect already even on DU.

For myself, I am making progress, but I am still angry with the people in my life who voted for this monster. I'm not sure that I WANT to get over that part. Perhaps that in and of itself has shown me the true nature of some people, and perhaps I am better off without them in my life.


 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. I've not seen any serious collective consideration of his resignation nor his removal.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:22 PM
Nov 2016

I've not seen any serious collective consideration of either his resignation nor his removal. You'll point us towards them, yes?

sarisataka

(18,539 posts)
11. I believe if you search
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:39 PM
Nov 2016

25th Amendment, you will find several posts hoping, wishing, dreading that it will be used to change leadership after the inauguration.

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