Pelosi wins 134-63!

[hrmjustin]

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Pelosi 134
Ryan 63
Almost exactly 2/3 margin.

[Cha]

1. E Ha! Thank you for the great news, Justin!

[hrmjustin]

2. Hey Cha!

[Cha]

4. Hey you!

Here we are.. still survivin'

Good on Pelosi..

[hrmjustin]

9. Yep! Time to be a thorn in Trump's side now!

[Cha]

10. I'll toast to that..

[skylucy]

13. Hi Cha! Been looking for you on DU!

[Cha]

18. I was MIA! You wouldn't

have found me until today.

Good to see you ol pal skylucy!

Love that name

[Fla Dem]

3. Good! Now let's move on and obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.

Tear a page from the Republican playbook.

[NightWatcher]

8. Wait for the "obstruction is off the table" comment in 3...2...

[Bettie]

11. That's my fear

that Dems will simply roll over and let us all lose through their lack of ability to fight.

[MaeScott]

45. I certainly hope she goes for the jugular. I'm sick of the damn high road. nt

[Bettie]

47. Me too

I am on the Obstruct bandwagon. Getting nothing done is better than giving in and giving them the means to destroy the entire fabric of our country.

[AgadorSparticus]

109. I am moving in this direction too....

[awoke_in_2003]

110. She won't. nt

[TeamPooka]

67. Democrats need to start fighting Republicans the way Republicans fight Democrats.

[yeoman6987]

91. I hope those 63 don't become a thorn to deal with.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

5. Glad that Nancy Pelosi won her leadership position and was not offered as sacrificial lamb

to some mediocre back bencher from Ohio who was anti-choice till last year.

[Cha]

12. Really! Dems weren't buying it in the House.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. i am fine with Tim Ryan as a regular house member from Ohio

but honestly democratic party leaders need to strongly stand for democratic values, one of them being STRONGLY prochoice

[GoCubsGo]

31. Thank you for pointing that out.

He also "wouldn't recommend" the recount. I find it amusing that some of the "progressives" here are upset that the actual progressive won the spot.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. just like the progressives supported Tulsi Gabbard, who is a conservative democrat

by any measure.

[GoCubsGo]

36. But, she's young and fresh!

Just like Tim Ryan!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

37. indeed

[ehrnst]

39. 100 (nt)

[PatSeg]

49. From the first time I saw him on television,

Ryan rubbed me the wrong way. He didn't strike me as a leader, more of an opportunist. I couldn't see him as an improvement over Pelosi, not even close to an equal.

Nancy Pelosi is a force to be reckoned with. No point in throwing out what is good about the party in an attempt to shake it up.

[MoonRiver]

6. Thanks!

Real Dems still stand!

[deminks]

7. Alrighty, Ms. Nancy, you best be fightin every step of the way.

and everything had better be on the table this time.

[Hekate]

16. Well you just call up that super-experienced politician and talk to her every day

[Hekate]

15. Good

[Jersey Devil]

17. So our top 3 House leaders are all in their 70s

This will surely excite millennials and get them more involved. While I admire Pelosi, it is time to move on. Maybe Ryan wasn't the right person, but presenting the same faces over and over again is not going to change minds. Just my opinion but I am also an old geezer and entitled to it.

[LanternWaste]

19. What is the maximum age limit you would then propose for leadership positions?

What is the maximum age limit you would then propose for leadership positions to better engage those who are predisposed to rely on someone's youth as a measure of leadership?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. also isnt bernie their fav politician? and isn't he 75?

[WhiteTara]

35. Now you know, that doesn't count!

It's only the Democrats who must be curbed.

[Maru Kitteh]

70. Especially those without any dangly bits between their legs.

THOSE especially. And if they dare to be "old" AND a woman . . . . WELL THEN!

[Jersey Devil]

25. Pelosi, Hoyer and Clyburn are ALL in their 70s

There is no magical age limit, but it would seem to me that when you try to appeal to all you have to include all. At least one person in the top 3 should be of a different, younger generation.

[Act_of_Reparation]

43. That's a clever trick.

Turn the tables on the underrepresented group and accuse them of being discriminatory instead. Kinda like how white people cry "reverse racism" whenever the topic of affirmative action comes up.

[MineralMan]

76. 40. Never trust anyone over 40.

It used to be thirty, but folks got older and shifted the age ahead. These days, millennials are aging, too. Who knows, in 10 years the maximum age might be 50.

[lostnfound]

101. Why don't they care about developing the next generation??

As a leader, I have a responsibility to mentor and train my replacement.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. they got excited over Bernie. can they only be excited by old white men?

because if so, they are not democrats, if not, it should not matter.

[Jersey Devil]

28. The entire Dem House leadership should be over 70?

So the kids graduating college next May are going to identify strongly with leadership of a party that are all older than their grandparents? That's smart?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

29. it's smart to have capable people holding roles in dangerous times.

[saltpoint]

34. Agree. We're up against the wall,

nationally and (soon) locally.

We need our best people standing with us. IMO Pelosi has been among the best ever. When I lived in California I was among her constituents.

She's absolutely top-drawer.

[ehrnst]

41. We should not underestimate the power of experience. And don't underestimate those 'kids'

who might be sharper than you give them credit for.

I also must present Sanders as an example that the 'college kids' will "identify" with an older leader.

[treestar]

95. Exactly, Bernie is old!

and they found him wonderfully exciting!

[disillusioned73]

26. Agreed...

[Maru Kitteh]

40. Because Sanders was so young? Why does this age CONCERN apply only to women?

Hmmmmmmm.

[ehrnst]

42. THANK YOU!!! (nt)

[disillusioned73]

44. Ahhhh..

the ageist AND women card, I did not go there... with either.

When your are loosing across the country in historic fashion.. maybe some "change" is in order??

[yeoman6987]

92. I thought they added the two men in the op as well

[rtracey]

63. the age

The age of both male and female house and Senators concerns me. Time for new young blood in these leadership roles.
Gavin Newsom 2020

[Me.]

48. When Did It All Become

about appeasing millennials? Have they stepped up?

[treestar]

94. That kind of change for change sake

is not necessarily good for a Washington institution like the House. She knows her way around it. And millennials can look up to their elders like anyone else! I don't recall demanding young leaders when I was young. That's a dumb idea. How are those voters who barely turn out going to even care who is speaker of the House? How many of them hardly knows the house exists and thinks the POTUS runs the country?

[mcar]

20. Great!

[Cha]

21. ..

mcar

[mcar]

24. Welcome back, Cha!

I've missed your voice here.

[Cha]

27. Mahalo, mcar

[davidn3600]

30. Democrats learned nothing from this election

You would think the election of Trump would make Democrats rethink things... instead they are going to cling to the old leadership who supports identity politics.

This party will never retake the House of Representatives.

A big city liberal like Nancy Pelsoi will not bring rural middle class voters back into the party. She wont bring any youth. She will not bring any new blood. This is the same old, same old. And you will experience the same results.

Have fun with that.

[Demit]

46. Identity politics just means civil rights for everyone.

We should all support that, young and old. Rural or not. Middle class or not. Too bad it seems like the same old thing to you.

[randome]

55. But it isn't giving us the victories we need, is it?

We need more than identity politics. All Pelosi offers is more of the same that keeps us on the losing side.

Objectively speaking, when someone in a position of authority keeps losing, and you can't identify what exactly he/she is doing wrong, it makes sense to replace him/her with someone else.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Demit]

87. Yes, let's join the Republicans in being ugly to everyone.

We were such fools to fight for the civil rights of people who didn't have them! We must let the straight white males who feel neglected know that they are the ones who really matter. Then we will be winners again!

[randome]

88. I'm not at all saying to abandon civil rights.

But we obviously need to stand for more than that because what we've been doing isn't working. Being a straight white male myself, I'd be comfortable saying "Screw the straight white males! We have enough!" But that won't solve the problem we have.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Maru Kitteh]

50. Yeah, us minorities & women keep ruining some folks plan for a white populist party

but we're not really interested in getting kicked back to the back of the bus again. Go fucking figure right!?! CRAZY!

[frazzled]

83. Noted: you don't say "we Democrats"

but speak of them in the third person, as if they were the "other." If you are not a Democrat, what do you care what they do?

And "big city liberal"? Oh my.

[davidn3600]

93. Yes, I speak of the DNC in the 3rd person

Many of these leaders don't care about us or represent those of us in rural America. They blew us off.

And most of us Democrats in rural America feel San Francisco's politics shouldn't be leading this party.

How many more elections do you want to loose all because you want to stay loyal to the same flawed leadership?

[rumdude]

98. Spot on - She's like a caricature of everying wrong with the Dems

She's west coast, elitist, worth about 58 million dollars, and in love with identity politics.

But like f-ing morons the caucus voted her in again.

[Midwestern Democrat]

115. Completely agree. You know what's sick? I'm actually nostalgic for the 1990s Democratic Party -

which is something I thought I would NEVER, EVER say. I thought the party had hit rock bottom after the 1994 disaster - a completely moribund, directionless party that did nothing but tread water for 10 years - and THAT looks great compared to what's happening now.

[stonecutter357]

32. K&R!

[SaschaHM]

38. Good. KR!

Of the two options, she truly was the best one for the job.

[PoliticAverse]

51. So impeachment of Trump is off the table then? n/t

[hfojvt]

52. the Who is proven wrong again

We get fooled over and over and over, and expect different results.

[Skittles]

53. more of the same

great

[blueotter]

54. I like Pelosi

I'm glad she won

[sylvanus]

56. Hooray! We'll just keep running from the left, right off the damn cliff. (Now lets raise some money)

[brooklynite]

59. My concern isn't "left" vs. "center" politics...

...it's political tactics. Whomever is the House Democratic Leader has to do a better job at wrangling votes and playing the House rules better.

[geek tragedy]

66. The ins and outs of House Rules are irrelevant when we're the minority and they're

the majority and control the White House as well

The fight needs to be outside of Washington--there's absolutely nothing Pelosi and the House Dems can accomplish in the next two years from inside the House chamber.

[brooklynite]

75. Remember this year's sit-in on gun control?

That was initiated by John Lewis, not Nancy Pelosi.

[geek tragedy]

84. which was technically a violation of House Rules (I guess) but

that's the sort of civil disobedience John Lewis is known for.

Everything House Democrats do must be political theater. And this was a golden opportunity missed to send a message that this wasn't the same old Democratic party content to get blown out in every district outside the cities and suburbs.

[LittleGirl]

57. Ugh

I'm sorry. I don't think this is a good thing. Ryan wasn't the right pick either.

Come on, we need new leadership! Whatever. Nevermind. I'm just sick of the same ole, same ole.

[Skittles]

72. it's the very definition of insanity

sticking with the same over and over and expecting different results

[LittleGirl]

81. that's exactly how I think right now. eom

[Raine]

102. Double UGH, this is a big mistake IMO

we need some fresh blood instead of keeping on with what hasn't worked.

[Cobalt Violet]

58. Not good for those who want change.

Looks like No We Can't wins again.

[angrychair]

61. I have no ageist or sexist issue

I do take issue that we have elected the same leadership, man or women, young or old, that has been in command while we lost the House and Senate, repeatedly, for several election cycles, MORE IMPORTANTLY: as well as giving republicans control of majority of governorships and state legislatures.

I am more than willing to give them a chance but I think it is completely fair to expect some results as well. A clear plan forward that produces real gains and creates better relationships at the state level that produces gains their as well.
That has to matter and I think it is a completely fair expectation.

To be clear I have been a Democrat all my life and I've been on this board since 2006. This is not about Sanders. We've been getting our ass handed to us and I think it is completely fair to hold our Party leadership to specific expectations and to replace them if they cannot produce. That is how the real world and a real job works, why should it be any different for them?

[world wide wally]

62. The fact that Republicans hate her is good enough for me

[sylvanus]

71. Hell Yeh, Worked for Clinton and Obama! Winning!

[world wide wally]

78. Maybe we can act more Republican to please them

You call that a solution?

[relayerbob]

64. So ...

More of the same. We'll never learn

[geek tragedy]

65. 2 more years of the same stale leadership that hasn't done anything

to broaden the Democratic coalition.

She was a great Speaker, but that's not the skill set we need now

[Red Oak]

68. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Nancy Pelosi has no track record of winning. She should have stepped aside for new blood.

[pnwmom]

73. Obamacare was a huge win that she acccomplished without a single

vote from the other side. And she got the economic stimulus bill through and other bills that were critical.

She's one of the most liberal members of the House based on her voting record but she's been able to lead a group much less liberal. People underrate her hear because they're not paying attention. . . or they're sexist or ageist.

Her voting record is here.

ontheissues.org

[Red Oak]

96. I'm sure that if I don't like the current leadership I'm an "ist" of some sort.

Goes with the territory these days.

How about election results? Not sure what kind of "ist" that makes me, but I am against Nancy Pelosi because Nancy Pelosi is demonstrably bad at them.

I guess I'm one of those pathetic "electionists" that cares about winning.

[pnwmom]

97. How was she demonstrably bad at her elections? She won every won. n/t

[Red Oak]

103. I was wrong. The Democratic party is kicking ass over the past eight years.

Pelosi is a great leader as Speaker of the House.

Oh wait. My bad.

We're really getting our butts kicked, but Pelosi is still a great minority leader! I'm an "ist"!

2010
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-midterms-democratic-losses-continue/

2014
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/house-dems-fret-debilitating-losses-112248

https://morningconsult.com/2015/11/04/democrats-look-for-answers-after-surprising-losses/

http://www.businessinsider.com/elections-are-democratic-disaster-2014-11

2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/us/politics/democrats-house-nancy-pelosi.html?_r=0

I know, I know, Nancy as House Speaker or minority leader had NOTHING to do with any of this. She should not be held accountable because of the direction the party takes under her leadership. That would be "ist"ing, wouldn't it?

[pnwmom]

107. There are 31 GOP governors and only 18 Dems, and the GOP governors

have been busy gerrymandering their states to decrease the number of House seats that can be won by Democrats.

Pelosi can't be blamed for that. She can only work with the Dems who get elected.

Common sense, people. It comes in handy!

[Red Oak]

108. Yes, I am totally wrong. Pelosi is awesome!

Nothing is her fault. She makes no mistakes! The fact that we are losing elections can't be due to our leaders. Certainly not Nancy Pelosi. As you, She only works with Dems after they get elected (or lose).

It's all someone 's fault, just not hers and you are an ugly "ist" if you think otherwise!

And I totally understand why she is so well versed and tuned into the issues of the Unions and the working class:

From Wikipedia

"Nancy Pelosi is among the richest members of Congress,[132] with an estimated net worth of approximately $58 million, the 12th highest estimated net worth in Congress, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.[133]"

The Democratic Party needs new leadership.

[TSIAS]

69. What was the vote breakdown?

I'd assume Ryan's support came from younger members and whoever is left from the Blue Dog coalition.

[hrmjustin]

74. He got 63 votes. I think your assumptions are correct.

But since it was a secret ballot and that only a few publicly supported him we will never know.

[guillaumeb]

77. How will this translate to the needed changes to the Party? eom

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

79. Has the DNC named a new leader?

I nominate Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

[hrmjustin]

80. In February.

[rwheeler31]

82. Very happy she will be a great leader again.

[kentuck]

85. She get one more term.

To show what she can do.

[gademocrat7]

86. Good news!

[aikoaiko]

89. Glad she won it with competition instead of old guards

Demanding that challengers stand down.

[ladjf]

90. Ms. Pelosi will do a good job. nt

[rumdude]

99. Yeah, she's done such a great job up to this point

give me a break...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

116. She has. I think you don't actually know what her job entails

[Tatiana]

100. Tim Ryan was not the person to lead the Democrats, but neither is Pelosi.

I'm sorry, but the person who took impeachment off the table is not the person we need to lead the Democratic opposition to Trump. She is more of the same-old, same-old, which is what many in this country are tired of. We have a group of entrenched, corporate-connected Democrats who want to maintain their hold on power for something other than the benefit of the people. A real leader would have recruited talent to pass the baton to.

[Backwoodsrider]

104. I see the Democrats voted to go down with the ship

God forbid the democratic party get some new blood with fresh ideas in leadership positions. Nope judging by the same tired top 3 democrats in congress they wanted no change and are fine with the GOP stealing the executive branch, again.

Thinking the democrats are part of the problem as they are probably going to do nothing but react to Trump and let him and the greedy sharks in the GOP completely break down US institutions and in turn our society as they steal the wealth.

We are going to get what we give in this karmic deal and probably sooner vs later

Democrats had one chance to change to a new positive direction not unlike Bernies but we chose to stick with the same crap and ride this puppy till the wheels fall off!

[Raine]

105. Same old, same old

beause it worked so well in the last elections.

[Skittles]

113. it sucks so bad, the Greedy Old Pig party is CELEBRATING

gawd

[Auggie]

106. Democrats need to get some new faces out there, and not just from coastal cities

It's difficult to give up Pelosi at this point. Her knack for politics and fundraising can't be matched and are certainly needed over the next four years. But remember, Clinton had Trump beat on politics and outspent him too.

Ryan and his like are visual messages that Democrats are listening, and better yet, responding to a populace tired of the same old story. If not Speaker, give Ryan and Company as big a soapbox as you can and help them build a national following.

[pressbox69]

112. Obviously

Putin and the FBI didn't have the klout to sway this one.

[awoke_in_2003]

114. Well

that means tRump won't be impeached.