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pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:44 PM Nov 2016

Why do any otherwise intelligent people think that Nancy Pelosi

can magically command majorities for bills when the large majority of members of the House are Rethugs?

What is she supposed to be doing? Blackmailing them?

It is so stupid for us to be focusing so much criticism on her when all she can do is work with the House members we send her FROM OUR STATES.

The problem isn't with Nancy Pelosi, it's at the state level, where the GOP has been using its 31 Governors and 32 State Legislatures to gerrymander the House so that it keeps its large majority.

We need to be concentrating much harder on electing Democrats and the local and state level; on fighting gerrymandering; and not punishing the minority of Dems in the House for not being able to work miracles.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/after-winning-7-more-seats-gop-dominance-state-legislatures-all

Republicans are now in control of a record 67 (68 percent) of the 98 partisan state legislative chambers in the nation, more than twice the number (31) in which Democrats have a majority, according to the bipartisan National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL).

“That’s more than at any other time in the history of the Republican Party,” according to NCSL. “They also hold more total seats, well over 4,100 of the 7,383, than they have since 1920.”

Next year, the GOP will control both legislative chambers in 32 states - an all-time high, according to NCSL - while Democrats will have total control of just 13 state legislatures.

In 24 of the 32 states with Republican-controlled legislatures, voters have also elected Republican governors. In contrast, Democrats have a “political trifecta” in just six states.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/14/1598918/-Republicans-now-dominate-state-government-with-32-legislatures-and-33-governors

Following the 2014 midterm wave, Republicans dominated state legislatures at a rate not seen since the Civil War. Democrats had hoped to rebound in 2016, but thanks in part to Trump’s resilience and widespread Republican gerrymandering, they only made modest gains. Democrats flipped four chambers, but lost control of three, leaving Republicans in charge of 68 state legislative chambers and Democrats just 31.

The above map illustrates the balance of legislative power in state legislatures nationwide. Republicans control both chambers in 32 states, including 17 with veto-proof majorities. Those 32 states cover 61 percent of the U.S. population. Democrats, meanwhile, control the legislature in just 13 states, amounting to 28 percent of the country’s population; only four of those chambers have veto-proof majorities.

With a firm grip on the presidency, Congress, and soon the Supreme Court, Republicans have won more political power in 2016 than in any election since at least 1928, when Herbert Hoover was elected to the White House. Democrats now face a deep hole they need to climb out of to fight back against the coming reactionary policy shift of the pending Trump administration and its allied state governments.

SNIP

As shown above, Republicans now control the governor’s office in 33 states, amounting to 60 percent of the population, while Democrats control just 16 states with 40 percent of the population. (Alaska has an independent governor supported by the Democrats.) Republicans now hold a greater number of governor’s offices than they have in several generations.

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Why do any otherwise intelligent people think that Nancy Pelosi (Original Post) pnwmom Nov 2016 OP
The Democratic Party must change or die. pipoman Nov 2016 #1
So purging liberals like Pelosi is how we stay alive? emulatorloo Nov 2016 #2
No but catchy phrases sound good to some on a blog Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #5
Yes because Change! emulatorloo Dec 2016 #11
Yes! Change! . . . . to white guys . . . . Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #18
Lots of contradictory things being said these days. emulatorloo Dec 2016 #24
I am not a white guy Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #51
I Didn't realize you were up for House Minority Leader! Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #55
Lol Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #64
She has led the charge to abandon the labor base of the Democratic party.. pipoman Nov 2016 #7
You have any specifics or just feelings? emulatorloo Dec 2016 #9
lol Cha Dec 2016 #10
She lead NAFTA, GATT, and now TPP against the wishes of virtually every labor group...in fact... pipoman Dec 2016 #14
Funny how the poster that challenged you has nothing to say to this melman Dec 2016 #67
Can you back this claim up? Raine1967 Dec 2016 #12
Post 14....there are many other examples... pipoman Dec 2016 #15
Something something TPP emulatorloo Dec 2016 #16
Got it. thanks Raine1967 Dec 2016 #20
It is attitudes like this that are the enemy of the Democratic party... pipoman Dec 2016 #37
Liberals aren't the enemy. emulatorloo Dec 2016 #52
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #54
We're essentially fucked Nevernose Nov 2016 #3
Right. We're in perfect position for a circular firing squad, and the enemy pnwmom Nov 2016 #6
no arguments about that here. just focus on running dems in neighborhood races so dems will see msongs Nov 2016 #8
and were funded by Koch or Richard Armey. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #23
Unfortunately no sugar daddies like that for us. emulatorloo Dec 2016 #26
Well said n/t emulatorloo Dec 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #4
Thanks for this comprehensive post, pnwmom Hekate Dec 2016 #13
How many of those tiny Republican states does it take to make a Californis-sized state. Coyotl Dec 2016 #17
The state houses are chosen by the state yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #21
"...since at least 1928." Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #19
It's Operation Red Map gulliver Dec 2016 #22
Speaking of which, NPR is on the list of easy Republican targets for the first 100 days. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2016 #29
Sounds kind of serious. HassleCat Dec 2016 #27
And the fault of this lies squarely on the shoulders of DEMOCRATS who can't be bothered TrollBuster9090 Dec 2016 #28
I think that you are correct in that 2018 could be a tipping point Red Oak Dec 2016 #61
Wouldn't it be great to have a party that realized there was more than one office to fill? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #30
Nancy Pelosi is one of the best parliamentarians and dealmakers in government. MADem Dec 2016 #31
Yes, this! SticksnStones Dec 2016 #69
The goal is not to craft majorities to get Bills passed... brooklynite Dec 2016 #32
I never thought too much of her or the leadership in the Congress Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #33
She's not youthful enough? A Bernie person is complaining about Pelosi's age? pnwmom Dec 2016 #35
Here is the problem. . .again. She's in her 60s. Bernie is 72. I know that Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #38
Bernie turned 75 in September and he comes across as every day of that 75. pnwmom Dec 2016 #43
And Now I am sexist for saying that she is an establishment person whose name is poison Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #46
You might be a sexist for complaining the woman isn't youthful enough, pnwmom Dec 2016 #47
Teachout lost her election in New York. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #44
Pelosi is either 75/76. n/t monmouth4 Dec 2016 #68
Establishment?? jalan48 Dec 2016 #39
Mitch McConnell is youthful? emulatorloo Dec 2016 #56
Men age so much more gracefully. pnwmom Dec 2016 #65
Our leadership is poor - again. Red Oak Dec 2016 #34
What election did she lose? Not a single one. pnwmom Dec 2016 #36
You are right - It can't be her fault as leader. She's just an office place holder. Red Oak Dec 2016 #40
She is a leader in the most partisan era EVER of Congress. She is NOT a head coach. pnwmom Dec 2016 #41
She sold out the base of the party..labor pipoman Dec 2016 #45
How did she do that specifically? By supporting unions? pnwmom Dec 2016 #48
Nonsense....Barack Obama won 4 and 8 years ago handily pipoman Dec 2016 #53
Pelosi helped Obama pass the stimulus bill to get us out of the worst pnwmom Dec 2016 #57
Labor had insurance before being sold out by the Labor Party... pipoman Dec 2016 #58
So you think the Democratic Speaker should have opposed the Democratic President? pnwmom Dec 2016 #59
Yes if the Democratic president is destroying the party base pipoman Dec 2016 #60
Shhh. . .I just got called a sexist for saying something about Nan that was true, like what you said Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #49
No problem - when I'm on DU I understand I am an "ist" Red Oak Dec 2016 #62
Shh. . .that proves nothing. Once you're called and -ist, everything you say is a self-serving Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #63
Totally agree!!! RiverStone Dec 2016 #66
Because some people think spouting hyperbole ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #42
Pelosi is representitive of the Democratic party leadership that created the PufPuf23 Dec 2016 #50

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
64. Lol
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 03:02 AM
Dec 2016

No I wasn't planning on running. I was just addressing the point about change. Whether to change to old white guys or whether old white guys want change because both have been coming up repeatedly in the threads. But I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
7. She has led the charge to abandon the labor base of the Democratic party..
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:57 PM
Nov 2016

The destruction of the party....time for her to go....

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
9. You have any specifics or just feelings?
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:01 AM
Dec 2016

What specifically has she done as Democratic house leader to abandon labor?

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
14. She lead NAFTA, GATT, and now TPP against the wishes of virtually every labor group...in fact...
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:13 AM
Dec 2016
Those arguments are being heard on Capitol Hill, where lawmakers like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi are getting ready to cast votes.

“I’m trying to find a path to yes,” she told The Chronicle of the upcoming vote. “It’s hard. There are bumps in the road.”

On a recent trip to many of the Asian countries involved in the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the San Francisco Democrat said she expressed her concerns to foreign leaders, and “we tried to spell out to them the understanding of what a tough sell this is going to be in Congress.”

“Our main standard is: What does this mean for the paycheck of Americans in the workforce,” she said. “We know the reasons are geopolitical of why we should have this strong influence in the Pacific region — but what does it mean to the paycheck of American workers?”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/amp/NAFTA-on-steroids-pact-pits-Silicon-Valley-6202695.php/blockquote]

Yes, that's what she has been selling, I am trying to fuck US labor...it will be a tough road because it will adversely effect the American paycheck....oh well, I'm trying to get fast track authority.....and she did just that....
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
37. It is attitudes like this that are the enemy of the Democratic party...
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:21 AM
Dec 2016

Keep doing the same thing expecting different results....

Response to emulatorloo (Reply #52)

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
3. We're essentially fucked
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:53 PM
Nov 2016

And yet the party loyalists -- us, in effect -- are too busy arguing about whether to blame Bernie or Hillary, or whether to blame some ethnic group for their failings, or blaming a media that's always been corrupt, to actually do anything.

We're supposed to be the grassroots, yet we spend much/most of our time kvetching about stuff beyond our control and really of lesser importance than local control of government.

You know why the Tea Party succeeded when Occupy failed? Not because of any bullshit media conspiracies. They took office because they removed their silly tea party hats, put on ties and/or blazers, and then ran for office, lobbied, showed up at town halls, and hounded the media in traditional ways.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
6. Right. We're in perfect position for a circular firing squad, and the enemy
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:55 PM
Nov 2016

is standing right behind us, ready to shoot our backs.

msongs

(67,360 posts)
8. no arguments about that here. just focus on running dems in neighborhood races so dems will see
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:57 PM
Nov 2016

someone they can vote for besides the republican or NOBODY.

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
26. Unfortunately no sugar daddies like that for us.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:49 AM
Dec 2016

Don't know what the answer is but we gotta figure it out.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Hekate

(90,556 posts)
13. Thanks for this comprehensive post, pnwmom
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:12 AM
Dec 2016

Someone called DU a circular firing squad these days. >sigh< I'm getting so tired of it.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
17. How many of those tiny Republican states does it take to make a Californis-sized state.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:16 AM
Dec 2016

A better metric is the number of people governed by Republicans versus Dems. Just comparing numbers is a very biased assessment of the real situation.

Also, with gerrymandering, the number of votes cast is an even better metric of the will of the populace, not to mention of the lack of democracy imposed by the Republicans.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
21. The state houses are chosen by the state
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:26 AM
Dec 2016

So is the senate and governorships. So yes 1 thing is gerrymandered. We can't even fix it if we don't fix the governorships and statehouses by 2020.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
19. "...since at least 1928."
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:18 AM
Dec 2016

It might take something like a post-1928 collapse to wake up most people, unfortunately.

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
22. It's Operation Red Map
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:36 AM
Dec 2016
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/15/482150951/understanding-congressional-gerrymandering-its-moneyball-applied-to-politics

We should be putting more money into lower level races. We also need a more robust, coherent movement. It can't be about beating up on the "banksters," or "including everyone." It has to be about better lives. Not "better lives for us all" mind you. Just better lives. The "for us all" part happens when people themselves decide they like what they hear and they all move toward us. Don't invite everyone. It kind of goes without saying that everyone can join, and outright inviting everyone devalues the invitation. Attract everyone.

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
29. Speaking of which, NPR is on the list of easy Republican targets for the first 100 days.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:07 AM
Dec 2016

You won't be seeing too many more stories like that one.

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
28. And the fault of this lies squarely on the shoulders of DEMOCRATS who can't be bothered
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:56 AM
Dec 2016

who can't be bothered to drag their asses off of the couch to vote in anything other than PRESIDENTIAL elections. (Voter suppression and voter notwithstanding, of course.)

That being said, 2010 was a wave election for Republicans because (as some pundit put it) "Republicans will crawl across broken glass to vote against Obama." So, Republicans turned out in droves to vent their racist spleens against Obama, bringing a wave of Republicans into State governments....DURING A CENSUS YEAR. Those State representatives were then allowed to redraw the congressional districts.

Well, in 2018 DEMOCRATS are going to crawl across broken glass to vote against Trump,...and 2020 is a Census year. Meanwhile, Republicans will be demoralized after Trumps shameless show of corruption and nepotism, combined with Ryan/McConnell's attempts to privatize Medicare and Social Security, and their attempts to take Obamacare away from millions of working class people, many of whom are Republicans.

Maybe I'm a foolish optimist, but I think this is the high water mark, and 2018 will be a tipping point.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
61. I think that you are correct in that 2018 could be a tipping point
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:47 AM
Dec 2016

My concern is that with Pelosi/Schumer leading us we will, yet again, have very little to offer in the way of meaningful change to those that abandoned our party this year.

Pelosi/Schumer have the constituency of Wall Street. They will partner with the republicans to pass tax decreases, maybe get some infrastructure spending (pennies on the dollar of corporate taxes actually owed), then sit back and let the republicans work on the social safety net, all the while telling us that they couldn't stop it, they don't have the power. BS.

The republicans used a simple technique for eight years - they said to Obama - "Go fuck yourself, the answer is no". In contrast, our leadership team will "work" with the other side to make sure Wall Street is well taken care of. Just watch.

If we had a leadership team that was leading the way for the economic revival of America and doing so in a fully inclusive way and protecting the social safety net, we would win in a landslide. This goes against Wall Street however, so it will not happen with Pelosi/Schumer.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Nancy Pelosi is one of the best parliamentarians and dealmakers in government.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:10 AM
Dec 2016

She knows the rulebook backwards and forwards; she knows which buttons to push and where some of the bodies are buried.

There is a reason that HER peers returned her to her leadership position--because when you're in a fight to the death, you need a streetfighter who knows what the hell she's doing.


Some of these otherwise intelligent people of whom you speak actually believe that ordinary voters have some sort of input into how House and Senate leadership is chosen. They don't seem to understand that those chambers elect their own leadership, and it ain't up to us. They know, better than we do, who is adept behind the scenes, like Steny Hoyer, for example, and Jon Tester, and who is worthless and ineffective, only becoming a firebrand and a panderer when a TV camera is in the vicinity, rather like the failed candidacy of All Talk/No Walk Dump Wife/Marry Lobbyist Alan Grayson.

They know who works, and who chats.

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
32. The goal is not to craft majorities to get Bills passed...
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:12 AM
Dec 2016

...the goal is to press the Republicans with Bills they feel the need to vote down, and use parliamentary tactics to make their anti-populist sentiments public.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
33. I never thought too much of her or the leadership in the Congress
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:16 AM
Dec 2016

Reid was a tepid centrist. Pelosi is too establishment.

The Republicans went youth in their leadership. The Democrats haven't.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
35. She's not youthful enough? A Bernie person is complaining about Pelosi's age?
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:19 AM
Dec 2016


You are wrong about her. She is among the most liberal in Congress, based on her voting record. The problem is she has to work with the House members that we send her. She can't turn all the Rethugs blue.

ontheissues.org
 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
38. Here is the problem. . .again. She's in her 60s. Bernie is 72. I know that
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:22 AM
Dec 2016

Bernie doesn't come across as that though. Most of the people who were with Bernie were under 40.

Look at the GOP leadership. Ryan, Rinse Penis, etc. . .all are young.

We need a youth movement in the Democratic Party. People like Kander, Teachout, O'Malley, etc. These need to be our leaders.

Not Schumer and Pelosi. Those names are poison in dumbfuckistan, USA.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
43. Bernie turned 75 in September and he comes across as every day of that 75.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:44 AM
Dec 2016

She's 76, but I'm not surprised you thought she was in her 60's. She does seem younger.

The young people who adored Bernie didn't mind the Grandpa thing. But they wouldn't have accepted a Bernice Sanders waving her arms around and wagging her finger. It would never, ever have worked.

Turns out there are a good many young sexists, too. Sexism isn't limited to the old.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
46. And Now I am sexist for saying that she is an establishment person whose name is poison
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:57 AM
Dec 2016

in Dumbfuckistan, USA.

Ignored.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
47. You might be a sexist for complaining the woman isn't youthful enough,
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:59 AM
Dec 2016

even though you had no problem with the man's lack of youth.

That is a common prejudice in our society, by the way. Men are allowed to "age gracefully." Women aren't supposed to.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
34. Our leadership is poor - again.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:18 AM
Dec 2016

On one side we have Nancy Pelosi a serial election loser and one of the richest members of Congress.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/white-houses-secret-weapon-on-trade-nancy-pelosi-118565

On the other side we have Chuck Schumer who is a long term shill for Wall Street.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/politics/chuck-schumer-business-wall-street/index.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2009/09/wall-street-money-rains-on-schumer-027643
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/business/23schumer.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/business/14schumer.html

Yeah, this is going to win back the votes we need. I'm sure those Democrats in the rust belt that voted twice for Obama and then abandoned the party to vote for an orange idiot, will come running back to the economic ideas our leadership generates over the next two years.

Onward to 2018! (to the sounds of water going down the drain)

We need to drain our own swamp.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
36. What election did she lose? Not a single one.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:21 AM
Dec 2016

She can't control the results of elections at the state level. As a member of the FEDERAL House of Representatives she has to work with the members that we send her FROM THE STATES.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
40. You are right - It can't be her fault as leader. She's just an office place holder.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:30 AM
Dec 2016

You must be right, her job is to just sit there and see what flotsam comes her way in the form of elected officials from the States and then make the best of it.

She has no responsibility to lead, no responsibility to help Dems get elected, no responsibility to create the message, no responsibility to set strategy on getting bills passed that impact the American worker.

I forgot she does nothing, so you are right, it can't be her fault.

Sheesh.

With accountability like that it is no wonder we lose time and time again.

She is one of our three head coaches and if she can't win, she needs to be fired. She has a long record of not winning.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
41. She is a leader in the most partisan era EVER of Congress. She is NOT a head coach.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:39 AM
Dec 2016

The analogy fails on every level.

This is not like LBJ's era, when both the major parties included conservatives, moderates, and liberals -- and House leaders could put together coalitions of like minded people from both parties. Unfortunately, many people here worked hard to bring this about, by complaining about DINO's from red states and doing everything they could to drive them off.

I love it how people here want to have it both ways.

People complain that she doesn't wheel and deal enough, working across party lines to get important things accomplished.

The same people complain whenever she works across party lines that she's compromised our principles, that she's a sell-out, etc.

Well, you can take both positions if you want. Why not? Who cares about logic in these post-truth days?

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
45. She sold out the base of the party..labor
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:54 AM
Dec 2016

The Democratic Party was the Labor party for decades....then the party under Pelosi etal sold US labor out for the riches of the same multinational megabusiness that purchased the republicans decades ago....the Labor Party died and has been searching for reincarnation since....

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
48. How did she do that specifically? By supporting unions?
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:02 AM
Dec 2016

By supporting Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid against the increasing opposition of the GOP?

We lost a solid labor vote when we started defending the rights of minorities and women. Some white male workers weren't too happy about that.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
53. Nonsense....Barack Obama won 4 and 8 years ago handily
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:17 AM
Dec 2016

On a campaign for change for labor which didn't happen....literally 80% of labor has opposed the unfair, wall street friendly trade agreements championed by Pelosi and most of the rest of the Labor Party leadership...the Labor Party...including Pelosi and Obama... told labor a resounding "fuck you" and proceeded to walk in lockstep with Republicans to force through the wishes of their masters. Pelosi sold out labor along with the rest of the party....that better turn around yesterday or Dems better find a huge faction of the Republican party to steal or there will never be a Dem president again.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
57. Pelosi helped Obama pass the stimulus bill to get us out of the worst
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:27 AM
Dec 2016

recession since the Great Depression, and to pass Obamacare without a single vote from the Rethugs -- and then we lost control of Congress in an off year election.

That wasn't Pelosi's fault. She did a great job. It wasn't Obama's fault or her fault that we were in such a serious economic hole in the beginning years of Obama's administration and that the GOP, in an effort to defeat Obama, was stingy with the stimulus bill.

I'm not sure what trade agreement you're talking about, but Pelosi wasn't Speaker when NAFTA was passed. She didn't become Speaker till 2007.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
58. Labor had insurance before being sold out by the Labor Party...
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:33 AM
Dec 2016

And Pelosi supported every unfair trade agreement opposed by 80+% of labor most recently fighting for fast track for TPP shoulder to shoulder with Obama and the entire Republican leadership. Democrats lost and so did rethug leadership.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
59. So you think the Democratic Speaker should have opposed the Democratic President?
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:35 AM
Dec 2016

This is why the GOP is more successful. They know how to stick together and they avoid the circular firing squad.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
60. Yes if the Democratic president is destroying the party base
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:39 AM
Dec 2016

But alas, Nan got hers to kick labor to the curb ...she did it willingly, her ideology lost and the party better back out of the anti labor positions or die of irrelevance..Pelosi insures more of the same....do the same thing expecting different results...insanity

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
49. Shhh. . .I just got called a sexist for saying something about Nan that was true, like what you said
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:02 AM
Dec 2016

Shhh. . .the butthurt is high when you rightly criticize our party. Shhh. . .party over principle!

Red Oak

(697 posts)
62. No problem - when I'm on DU I understand I am an "ist"
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:51 AM
Dec 2016

I'll still write what I believe is true.

Last twelve years I voted for a black man twice and a women once. Hard not to be an "ist" here. One has to be pure. It won't win elections, but purity is everything for some of the aggrieved.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
63. Shh. . .that proves nothing. Once you're called and -ist, everything you say is a self-serving
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:56 AM
Dec 2016

statement.

Kind of like being asked if you still beat your wife.

RiverStone

(7,228 posts)
66. Totally agree!!!
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 04:00 AM
Dec 2016

63 House members voted against the status quo in Nancy. The arrogance which dismissed Bernie voters prevails again. I don't recall ever feeling so disgusted with Democratic Leadership. The problem is, I see very little to indicate they give a shit about changing the message and messenger.

A facist gets elected, and this is the result?! Unfucking believable.

PufPuf23

(8,755 posts)
50. Pelosi is representitive of the Democratic party leadership that created the
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:03 AM
Dec 2016

train wreck that is 2016: Trump POTUS elect, GOP majorities in House and Senate, GOP majorities in state Governors, and as per your post GOP control of a majority of state legislatures.

I have had a problem since Pelosi stated, "Impeachment is off the table" regards to GWB.

The Democratic party needs a thorough house-cleaning, new bottom to top tactics to be effective, and to be an inclusive egalitarian party.

The old guard most go and be replaced with hard-working idealistic people with democratic ideals.

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