Are People Making Too Much of This Carrier Deal?

[erpowers]

Last edited Thu Dec 1, 2016, 06:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Are people inside and outside of the media making too much of this Carrier deal? First, this deal saves 1,000 jobs in an economy that produces on average 181,000 new private sector jobs per month. I think the latest jobs number was about 216,000 new private sector jobs created in one month. Over the course of eight years the economy under President Obama has created about 15 million new private sector jobs. I assume this Carrier jobs deal is for about three to four years. In that same time period the economy under President Obama created somewhere around 7.5 million jobs.

Second, Carrier is getting money to say in Indiana. It has been reported that Carrier is giving up $65 million in savings by not moving to Mexico. I highly doubt that Carrier will give up a full $65 million in savings. It has already been reported that Carrier is getting $700,000 to stay in Indiana. I would be surprised if that was all Carrier is getting to stay in Indiana.

Third, this type of deal is not new. This is not a deal that only Donald Trump could have made, or a deal that only Donald Trump has made. Deals like this happen all the time. David Cay Johnston may have written a whole book on the practice of companies forcing state governments to give them millions of dollars in incentives by threatening to either move jobs to the South or move jobs to Mexico.

Fourth, what role did Donald Trump play in making this deal? Was Donald Trump involved in the negotiating of this deal, or was this a case of Mike Pence continuing to do his job as governor of Indiana, but giving Trump the credit because Trump is at the top of the ticket? Could this entire incident have been a case of Kabuki theater? Did Pence and Carrier know before hand that Carrier was going to leave 1,000 jobs in Indiana? Was this a big show to try to give Donald Trump a victory before going into the White House? The video about the closing of the factory comes out and goes viral just in time for Trump to make a campaign issue out of the closing. Then, Pence and Carrier could not get this deal complete before the election, but about three weeks after the election they get the deal done. It seems that this incident was carried out the way it was in order to make Donald Trump look good. Do not tell me Mike Pence could not have gotten this same deal before the election. Carrier stops being a issue if this deal is done before the election.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

1. Yes

The media IS making too much of this deal and there are still lots of unanswered questions about it as well.

[Atman]

2. I agree with you completely.

It is naive to think that Trump was able to do a damned thing in such a short period of time, especially given the turmoil his transition has been in. When, exactly, did Trump negotiate with Carrier? And what company makes such a huge decision in such a short period of time? This had to have been in the pipeline for quite some time, as was Ford's decision to switch some assembly jobs to Ohio just days after the election. Trump supporters insisted that Trump did it, despite the fact that the deal was announced back in August 2015. Don't expect a lot of critical thinking coming out of the Trump Nationalists over the coming years.

[TreasonousBastard]

3. Trump is making too much of it-- one would think his horn would break for all the blowing he's doing

[Txbluedog]

4. I want them to make a yuuuuge deal of this

The more the applaud Trump and associate the deal with him now, the more it'll come back to bite him in the a## when the other shoe for Indiana taxpayers drops

[atreides1]

5. I think they are!

Carrier is still sending 1,100 - 1,300 jobs to Mexico, the 1,000 keeping their jobs don't know if they will be taking pay cuts and the union is waiting to see if benefits will be cut! And no information as to how long this deal will last!!!


It isn't about Carrier, it's about United Technologies, Carrier's parent company! Since 10% of United Technologies 56 billion dollar revenue comes from federal contracts, that could be cut by the incoming administration, they had to do something to protect the larger piece of the pie.

[jmg257]

6. Yes - too much is being made - same stuff happens all the time. nt