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RandySF

(58,728 posts)
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:17 AM Dec 2016

So what reforms do we want at the DNC?

We talk about refining the party but I've seen few concrete suggestions. So what exactly do we want? I'll start with broader participation in selecting DNC members and ra requirement that Chair must be a full time effort. Your turn.

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So what reforms do we want at the DNC? (Original Post) RandySF Dec 2016 OP
Real Democrats running for local, state and national elections... pangaia Dec 2016 #1
Define "real Democrats" TwilightZone Dec 2016 #23
those who-- pangaia Dec 2016 #24
You essentially made my point. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #30
I agree with all those things Javaman Dec 2016 #31
New leadership. elleng Dec 2016 #2
Keith Ellison! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #7
I like him but elleng Dec 2016 #8
I would also like to see a full-time DNC Chair... Raster Dec 2016 #10
An absolutely level and even-handed Primary process... Raster Dec 2016 #3
Plus 1. I think we would be in a very different place right now... demmiblue Dec 2016 #9
Sure as hell would be. elleng Dec 2016 #12
For how long? Let's say a candidate is not viable La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #15
It would depend upon what was openly and evenly agreed upon in advance... Raster Dec 2016 #19
so you are ok with republicans voting in democratic primaries? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #20
Not on the face of it. There is a fine line between welcoming... Raster Dec 2016 #22
that line is usual party registration. else what would you use? a test? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #27
No test, probably a registration-type of vehicle... Raster Dec 2016 #32
again, we have that system, its called party registration La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #33
That is the most important thing. alarimer Dec 2016 #17
Update the rhetoric Auggie Dec 2016 #4
Get Comey fired world wide wally Dec 2016 #5
We need to have the right message, repeat it, elevate it and campaign everywhere OhioBlue Dec 2016 #6
I concur with this. alarimer Dec 2016 #18
A non-Wall St. affiliated Chair. Tatiana Dec 2016 #11
More money spent on municipal elections. RandySF Dec 2016 #13
Elimination of caucuses and the use of closed primaries Gothmog Dec 2016 #14
Def elimination of caucuses La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #16
Fine, but we need to make sure we are as accessible as possible... Raster Dec 2016 #21
no more caucuses. TuslaUltra Dec 2016 #25
which issues are cultural? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #29
also, no more Pelosi TuslaUltra Dec 2016 #26
pelosi is not running for DNC and there is no comparison between her and Tim Ryan. nt La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #28
Only Democrats can run for office. They must be members of the party for at least five years lunamagica Dec 2016 #34
DNC needs to FIGHT for Democratic voters Dems to Win Dec 2016 #35
Ideas from a millennial: PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #36
DNC / Democratic Party needs to welcome all Americans, Including whites Dems to Win Dec 2016 #37

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
1. Real Democrats running for local, state and national elections...
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:20 AM
Dec 2016

(No reflection on our recent candidate(s).)

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
23. Define "real Democrats"
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:58 AM
Dec 2016

I agree that we need to start from the local level and work from there. We need a better understanding of local politics, what works, and what doesn't and then act accordingly.

We also need to understand that politics is a spectrum and that not every Democrat can or should be pigeon-holed into our narrow vision of what constitutes one. Democrats that win in the west and the northeast aren't going to play in states that are on the red side of purple. It's just a political reality. Assuming that one size fits all is misguided, at best, and a losing proposition.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
24. those who--
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:09 AM
Dec 2016

- believe in science
- are pro-choice
- support ALL minority rights
- are anti-war
- understand the balance between capitalism and socialism
- for separation of church and state
- for freedom of the press
- support free speech
- support gun control
- care about human beings
- are willing to speak out and tell the truth
- are in it NOT for themselves but for the betterment, and protection of all human beings and the planet

I could go on and on....

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
30. You essentially made my point.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:42 AM
Dec 2016

If that's your list and you're not willing to consider anyone who doesn't fit them all, you're going to end up with a mighty short list, particularly in more conservative areas of the country.

Many of them are vague and open to interpretation, which was basically my point. Everyone has a different, personal definition of whom they believe should be representing them and of the various issues that are important to them.

Even some of the more seemingly concrete ones - support gun control, for example - are widely open to personal interpretation and beliefs.

If a politician believes that gun control largely shouldn't be a federal issue, but should instead be left up to individual states because of variations in local attitudes, does that disqualify that person? Some may think so. Some may not. A lot of people support gun control, in a general sense. What they actually want to do about it varies wildly.

We often talk about how we Democrats need a better message. I don't think limiting ourselves to only those who fit our own personal vision of what a Democrat should be will get us anywhere. Frankly, it's a factor in why we're here in the first place.

Javaman

(62,510 posts)
31. I agree with all those things
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:45 AM
Dec 2016

but if the dems don't connect with the working class and convey to them that not everyone needs to go to college to get a job to support their families, we are dead as a party.

that was once the basic message of the Democratic party and that seems to have been completely lost on the DNC.

elleng

(130,861 posts)
8. I like him but
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 01:13 AM
Dec 2016

had hoped Governor O'Malley would get the position. He's a great organizer, and for him it would be a full time job, which I think it is.

I also want to see EVERY leadership-type position there changed. Too damn many mistakes made recently, and too much ass-kissing.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
10. I would also like to see a full-time DNC Chair...
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 01:33 AM
Dec 2016

...someone able to devote every bit of their time to the Party and pulling us out of this mess.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
3. An absolutely level and even-handed Primary process...
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:27 AM
Dec 2016

...fair and equitable opportunity for all candidates. ABSOLUTELY NO INTERFERENCE FROM DNC FOR THEIR PREFERENTIAL CANDIDATES.

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
9. Plus 1. I think we would be in a very different place right now...
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 01:17 AM
Dec 2016

if those parameters were followed.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
15. For how long? Let's say a candidate is not viable
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 09:29 AM
Dec 2016

In march but does not drop till September, should the DNC remain neutral till September?

Raster

(20,998 posts)
19. It would depend upon what was openly and evenly agreed upon in advance...
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:44 AM
Dec 2016

...no closed door decisions. No under the table arrangements. If a neutral stance were to be ended, it would need to be understood by all parties up-front and in advance.

The Goal: To get our candidates elected and to make sure those candidates adhere to our agreed upon party principles.

Our secondary goal is to make sure that each and every eligible voter is given the opportunity to cast their ballot fairly and that equal protection of voting rights is extended to every citizen, no limited to income, color, creed, location OR party affiliation.

We should go out of our way to make sure EVERYTHING WE DO IS TRANSPARENT.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
22. Not on the face of it. There is a fine line between welcoming...
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:49 AM
Dec 2016

...and opening oneself up to possible manipulation and subterfuge. That's a line we need to identify and learn to navigate.

The voting bloc that elects the POTUS is a fluid, changing, flowing bloc of voters. We want to be able to welcome those voters who truly want to get candidates that espouse our values elected.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
32. No test, probably a registration-type of vehicle...
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:46 AM
Dec 2016

...Again, the goal is to be as welcoming as possible, WITHOUT allowing rethuglican tricksters to subvert the process.

And again, the bloc of voters NEEDED TO ELECT THE POTUS is different from the bloc needed to nominate the candidate.

Right off the top, do I know what exactly is or isn't going to work? No, I don't.

But I do know I want to bring new blood into the party, new ideas, new voters, new ways of thinking. And at the same time, I want to FIRMLY reiterate our commitment to be the party of: (1) justice for all; (2) equality for all; (3) the party that welcomes and values diversity; and (4) the party that is self-aware enough to invite introspection, self-examination and invites challenging the status quo.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
33. again, we have that system, its called party registration
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:49 AM
Dec 2016

you should be a registered D voter to vote in our primaries. we can move the day up to where you can register, but just so you know these actions happen at state levels not at DNC

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
17. That is the most important thing.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:24 AM
Dec 2016

Too often (in local races) they have thrown their support behind someone with connections (often a DINO) rather than a true progressive or someone who would be more likely to win. Or ignored these races altogether. I mean, why should Rubio have been reelected? He's a no-show most of the time and a complete lightweight.

I've never forgiven the support they gave to Lieberman over Lamont.

Auggie

(31,156 posts)
4. Update the rhetoric
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:36 AM
Dec 2016

Its always been too abstract and generic IMO. That's what was so refreshing about Bernie.

And some fresh faces to deliver that message.

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
6. We need to have the right message, repeat it, elevate it and campaign everywhere
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:45 AM
Dec 2016

1. We need a 50 State Strategy
2. We need to elevate FDRs "Economic Bill of Rights" and message around it
3. Do the above without losing any of our current platform - we should always be the party of inclusion, the party that fights for all people.

The right has been winning on messaging for years. We need to do better from framing the issues to winning the sound bytes to media exposure.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
11. A non-Wall St. affiliated Chair.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 01:35 AM
Dec 2016

- a return to the 50-state strategy started by Dean, with an emphasis on building up local parties and grooming Democrats to run in local races.
- the Democratic version of a "Contract for America." Maybe a Democratic Pledge for Prosperity or some memorable title.
- mentoring younger Democrats for leadership at the national party level.
- a coordinated media and messaging strategy that puts the Democratic vision for prosperity in most American homes.
- closed party elections combined with the elimination of superdelegates.
- town halls across the country articulating the Democratic vision and the cultivation of vigorous debate within the party.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
21. Fine, but we need to make sure we are as accessible as possible...
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:46 AM
Dec 2016

...we want to be the welcoming, big tent party. We want to encourage participation, particularly among new voters: minorities (including women) and youth.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
34. Only Democrats can run for office. They must be members of the party for at least five years
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:00 PM
Dec 2016

No more caucases

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
35. DNC needs to FIGHT for Democratic voters
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:01 PM
Dec 2016

In every state, DNC needs to fight for adequate polling places, fight for accurate voter rolls, send probono lawyers into communities to help people get the needed ID for voting, and FIGHT for hand counted paper ballots.

Also, Democrats need to respect the voters in every pocket of America by putting up a candidate for every ballot line, every time. Put up a candidate who listens to local concerns and asks for the votes of people. We can't have any upset victories if we don't even try.

PatsFan87

(368 posts)
36. Ideas from a millennial:
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:17 PM
Dec 2016

- Open primaries in every state so independents can have a say (we'd be stupid to discourage this if we want their votes in the general)

- Same day registration/allowing people to switch parties for primaries in every state. It's ludicrous requiring people register in some states months before if they have discovered a candidate they like more recently. And if someone is a moderate Republican and they hate the choices in their party, they should be able to vote for a candidate who they like in ours.

- Recruiting better candidates. Less lawyers/politicians and more teachers, laborers, veterans, firefighters, police officers, leaders of nonprofits. More younger candidates as well. If you expect to get millennial votes, we want people representing us in Congress. We also need better "messengers".

- Know an area and find a candidate accordingly. Choosing stiff, standard, establishment candidates in some of these rural, depressed areas where people hate the establishment is not going to work.

- Focus more on the grassroots

- Don't put debates on weekends, times right before and after holidays, when other large sporting events are happening.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
37. DNC / Democratic Party needs to welcome all Americans, Including whites
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:50 PM
Dec 2016

Statements like this from Democratic leaders, while well-intentioned, don't help white Americans feel welcome in the Democratic Party:


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/304589-granholm-dnc-doesnt-need-57-year-old-white-woman-at-helm

Former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm said Sunday the Democratic National Committee needs a leader who represents "rising America," suggesting the committee appoint a minority to the position.

"I think that the DNC needs to have leadership that reflects this rising America and you know, a 57-year-old white woman may not be the person," she told MSNBC's Hallie Jackson.


As a 55 year old white American woman, I hear this and wonder if there is any place at all for me in the Democratic Party's vision of America.
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