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Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 04:00 PM Dec 2016

The Pardon President Obama MUST GIVE before he leaves office:

Last edited Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Don Seigelman!

The man has been in jail for purely political BS charges because of Karl Fucking Rove and his Alabama gang of sleazebags were in a position to "get" a democrat. It is an embarrassment that we even have to ask people to call the White House and demand that Don is released and pardon for his "non-crime."

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The Pardon President Obama MUST GIVE before he leaves office: (Original Post) Chasstev365 Dec 2016 OP
K & R 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #1
Make it so - and pardon Leonard Peltier, too Achilleaze Dec 2016 #2
Yes!!!! (eom) LearnedHand Dec 2016 #3
philmayaye! sagetea Dec 2016 #10
Aho Runningdawg Dec 2016 #28
Might want to Sign the petition ( and fix the spelling to Siegelman ) :O) pkdu Dec 2016 #4
Don't expect anything MFM008 Dec 2016 #5
OTOH I can see it as his very last act as President. no_hypocrisy Dec 2016 #7
i hope so MFM008 Dec 2016 #17
It won't happen though. For whatever reason, Quackers Dec 2016 #6
anyone know if his lawyers did the paperwork request? Obamas at 1038 & climbing pardons & clemency Sunlei Dec 2016 #8
Oly North??? Scooter?? Hulk Dec 2016 #9
North was never pardoned. former9thward Dec 2016 #14
Yes...I knew that. Hulk Dec 2016 #23
I have posted many times that I think the Siegelman case was unjustified. former9thward Dec 2016 #24
No, the results arent the same. One had a court vacate the conviction and the other was not cstanleytech Dec 2016 #36
Libby sentence was commutted bpj62 Dec 2016 #37
Yes, yes, yes! PatSeg Dec 2016 #11
Totally agree but am beginning to think it for some reason kacekwl Dec 2016 #12
Gov. Don Siegelman, victim of 2002 stolen election. No one stood up then, and look what happened. Coyotl Dec 2016 #13
I'm not sure but I rthink he's coming up for release soon. panader0 Dec 2016 #15
He needs a pardon. no_hypocrisy Dec 2016 #18
Completely agree. A vindication and an apology. panader0 Dec 2016 #19
Beg to differ. Patty Hearst was pardoned by Jimmy Carter the last day of his term. no_hypocrisy Dec 2016 #20
A pardon doesnt provide exoneration though only a court overturning the case can really do that. cstanleytech Dec 2016 #38
Indeed courts have found that accepting a pardon is a tacit admission of guilt... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #43
It restores rights, but accepting a pardon from POTUS requires acknowledgement of guilt. nt MADem Dec 2016 #48
People are often pardoned after completing their sentences. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #25
More often than not yes as most presidents dont want to risk granting a pardon or clemency to cstanleytech Dec 2016 #39
He can go take a seat for now; Chelsea Manning should be the #1 pardon priority Tarc Dec 2016 #16
yes barbtries Dec 2016 #21
oh good! that's who i was thinking of! liberalla Dec 2016 #22
And Hillary Clinton? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #26
Hasn't worked in all this time; there's some sort of political 'glitch' (kind word) elleng Dec 2016 #27
Don Seigelman is in jail because he called out the fact that repugs rig elections. Botany Dec 2016 #29
Which should give us all a clue about who is really in charge of this country librechik Dec 2016 #40
I really hope he pardons Keith Cooper radical noodle Dec 2016 #30
That will never happen because Mr. Cooper was not convicted of a FEDERAL crime. MADem Dec 2016 #31
If Obama cant reach down in State affairs then why was Alaska's bonniebgood Dec 2016 #33
Stevens was charged with a _federal_ crime, not a state crime. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #44
What was he charged with? nt MADem Dec 2016 #47
Damn... of course radical noodle Dec 2016 #46
how about Leonard Peltier? tomp Dec 2016 #32
I concur NT bonniebgood Dec 2016 #34
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Dec 2016 #35
I just knew it was going to be about Seigelman! BobTheSubgenius Dec 2016 #41
Should have been done long ago. subterranean Dec 2016 #42
Obama's Justice Department actually argued for a longer jailtime when Seigelman was re-sentenced... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #45
Wonder if there's any chance he'll pardon Chelsea Crash2Parties Dec 2016 #49

no_hypocrisy

(46,076 posts)
7. OTOH I can see it as his very last act as President.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 04:30 PM
Dec 2016

Signed right before the Inauguration. Full pardon.

MFM008

(19,804 posts)
17. i hope so
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:12 PM
Dec 2016

a lot of pardons. Including drugs and other stupid stuff.
They would still be talking about it in 20 years and it would take attention off the maggot.
here's to hope.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
6. It won't happen though. For whatever reason,
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 04:25 PM
Dec 2016

Obama has chose to ignore this all these years. I don't see him changing his mind especially since Don will be getting out soon.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
8. anyone know if his lawyers did the paperwork request? Obamas at 1038 & climbing pardons & clemency
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 04:37 PM
Dec 2016

more than all past presidents combined.

He wouldn't even need a full pardon, just clemency for time served to get him out of jail? Someone has to do the paperwork.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
9. Oly North??? Scooter??
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 04:38 PM
Dec 2016

Shit...if Oliver North and libby can be exonerated, then neither of these pardons should be out of bounds...

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
23. Yes...I knew that.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:01 PM
Dec 2016

But the end result is the same. When guilty sons of bitches can walk free and even garner respect of peoples, when they are bonified criminals, seems like giving the same opportunity to those of lesser offences is certainly in order.
Just saying...

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
36. No, the results arent the same. One had a court vacate the conviction and the other was not
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:02 PM
Dec 2016

pardoned rather he was granted clemency.
Mind you I think Libby was only granted clemency because he took a bullet that would have sunk Bush and or Cheney and caused criminal charges to be filed against atleast one of them but the fact still remains that he was not pardoned.
As for Siegelman I dont think Obama will pardon him, clemency? Maybe, pardon? Nope, I just dont see it happening though I could be wrong of course about it.

bpj62

(999 posts)
37. Libby sentence was commutted
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:04 PM
Dec 2016

Scooter Libby was never parndoned either. His,sentnce,was,comnuted by Bush. It was a bone of contention between the older Bush and Cheney. Bush 1 felt that Cheney and Libby had betrayed the intelligence community with the outing of Valerie Plame. Cheney didnt care and wanted Libby pardoned. Its one of the few times that Bush 2 did something right.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
13. Gov. Don Siegelman, victim of 2002 stolen election. No one stood up then, and look what happened.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 04:58 PM
Dec 2016
Former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman seeks pardon from President Obama
Kelsey Stein April 13, 2016

More than 100 former state attorneys general this week sent a letter to President Barack Obama seeking a pardon for former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman.

Siegelman, now 70, was convicted by a federal court in 2006 on bribery, conspiracy and obstruction of justice charges after being accused of appointing former HealthSouth CEO Richard Scrushy to a health planning board in return for a $500,000 donation to the governor's campaign for a statewide lottery.

Former New York Attorney General Bob Abrams told the Associated Press that they believe his conviction was unjust and tarnished by politics.

"Although nine years have passed, Gov. Siegelman's unjust conviction continues to eat away at the integrity of the justice system," it reads. "Many legal scholars as well as the public at large believe that the prosecution of Gov. Siegelman was a perversion of justice."

The letter was delivered to the White House on Wednesday. ............


Anatomy of a Stolen Election

no_hypocrisy

(46,076 posts)
18. He needs a pardon.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:22 PM
Dec 2016

Among other obvious reasons, Don Siegelman will be denied the right to vote as a former ex-felon if he isn't pardoned.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
19. Completely agree. A vindication and an apology.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:25 PM
Dec 2016

His impending release may be a reason why a pardon may not be granted.

no_hypocrisy

(46,076 posts)
20. Beg to differ. Patty Hearst was pardoned by Jimmy Carter the last day of his term.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:38 PM
Dec 2016

I think Obama would restore Don's life, voting rights, and reputation with a pardon. It's not the release. It's the exoneration.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
38. A pardon doesnt provide exoneration though only a court overturning the case can really do that.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:05 PM
Dec 2016

All a pardon will do is let him vote and run for office I assume but it wont provide him what he deserves which is a judge to say the case was BS and to vacate the conviction.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
43. Indeed courts have found that accepting a pardon is a tacit admission of guilt...
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 03:09 PM
Dec 2016

and a person has a right to refuse to accept a pardon on that basis.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
39. More often than not yes as most presidents dont want to risk granting a pardon or clemency to
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:09 PM
Dec 2016

most people currently in prison not unless of course the person they are pardoning and or granting clemency to might have something on the President granting the pardon and or the clemency which then provides a President like Bush a hell of an incentive to grant one.

liberalla

(9,234 posts)
22. oh good! that's who i was thinking of!
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:53 PM
Dec 2016

i really hope so too. i don't understand why he hasn't done so already.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
26. And Hillary Clinton?
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:22 PM
Dec 2016

would this eliminate an endless series of House investigations?

And I am not implying that Clinton is guilty of anything, but in the interest of eliminating one GOP distraction......

elleng

(130,861 posts)
27. Hasn't worked in all this time; there's some sort of political 'glitch' (kind word)
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:32 PM
Dec 2016

that's keeping it this way.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
29. Don Seigelman is in jail because he called out the fact that repugs rig elections.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:31 AM
Dec 2016

Don Seigelman is a political prisoner.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. That will never happen because Mr. Cooper was not convicted of a FEDERAL crime.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:33 AM
Dec 2016

Obama cannot reach down and meddle in the affairs of states. His jurisdiction does not extend there.

He can only pardon FEDERAL criminals.

bonniebgood

(940 posts)
33. If Obama cant reach down in State affairs then why was Alaska's
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 10:00 AM
Dec 2016

Ted Stevens was pardon, charges dropped so Quickly under the Obamas Justice Department?

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
32. how about Leonard Peltier?
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 08:07 AM
Dec 2016

there were two things I wanted from obama: prosecute bush/cheney, inc, and pardon Leonard Peltier (also a political prisoner).

the first never happened. if the second never happens, obama will have been a complete failure to me.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
35. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:08 PM
Dec 2016

I do hope so and if he can't it will be a prime example of the lie that our republic is a democracy where our vote determines the POTUS. Our vote only counts to allow the real PTB to install who they need at the time, to "shake things up".

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
41. I just knew it was going to be about Seigelman!
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:31 PM
Dec 2016

It is LONG past time for him to be not only released, but pardoned!

subterranean

(3,427 posts)
42. Should have been done long ago.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:27 PM
Dec 2016

I believe he is due to be released in February anyway, so I can't understand why Obama wouldn't pardon him.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
49. Wonder if there's any chance he'll pardon Chelsea
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 04:22 PM
Dec 2016

She's going to die in there, that seems to be the goal of her jailers, and none of the war crimes she revealed have even been investigated.

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