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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:53 AM Dec 2016

A Warning for Americans From a Member of Pussy Riot

MIAMI BEACH — On Tuesday, Donald J. Trump wrote on Twitter that people who burn the flag should be punished with “perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!”

Two days later, I went to a little cafe here to meet with Nadya Tolokonnikova of the Russian punk band and activist art collective Pussy Riot. The group’s 2012 guerrilla performance at the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow, which viciously mocked Vladimir Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church, resulted in a two-year prison sentence for Ms. Tolokonnikova and another of its members.

Pussy Riot became an international symbol of Mr. Putin’s crackdown on free speech; of how his regime uses falsehood and deflection to sow confusion and undermine critics.

Now that the political-media environment that we smugly thought to be “over there” seems to be arriving over here, Ms. Tolokonnikova has a message: “It’s important not to say to yourself, ‘Oh, it’s O.K.,’” she told me. “It’s important to remember that, for example, in Russia, for the first year of when Vladimir Putin came to power, everybody was thinking that it will be O.K.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/04/business/rutenberg-lessons-in-free-speech-from-pussy-riot.html
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A Warning for Americans From a Member of Pussy Riot (Original Post) SecularMotion Dec 2016 OP
I have no illusion, we are in very serious trouble. still_one Dec 2016 #1
Only those who voted for him want to give him a chance. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #2
Majority rules bdamomma Dec 2016 #3
The "political-media environment" is not "arriving"... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #4
Love Pussy Riot Pachamama Dec 2016 #5
only place to find truth heaven05 Dec 2016 #7
I remember when someone posted that here on DU BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #11
one important thing about Pussy Riot DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #6
Bad times are going to come and come quickly for us. lark Dec 2016 #8
I wonder if we jeffreyi Dec 2016 #9
It's not O.K. And I don't think it's going to be O.K. CrispyQ Dec 2016 #10
If I could BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #12
Glad you like it. CrispyQ Dec 2016 #16
She's right. Complacency is a dangerous luxury 2naSalit Dec 2016 #13
Kick SecularMotion Dec 2016 #14
food for thought treestar Dec 2016 #15

Baitball Blogger

(46,697 posts)
2. Only those who voted for him want to give him a chance.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:34 AM
Dec 2016

The majority voted against him. We don't believe that everything will be okay.

bdamomma

(63,810 posts)
3. Majority rules
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:37 AM
Dec 2016

or is that out the window now. You can see where this is going tRump is trashing the Constitution. Free speech is the most troubling and the right to assemble. They will not and cannot stop us.

Wounded Bear

(58,618 posts)
4. The "political-media environment" is not "arriving"...
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:40 AM
Dec 2016

It's been here for many, many years. It's finally coming out into the open, which leads me to believe it may be too late to stop the juggernaut. We may have experienced a tipping point.

Pachamama

(16,886 posts)
5. Love Pussy Riot
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 12:54 PM
Dec 2016

These women are brave and endured a lot including Prison and being separated from their children for the crime of challenging Putin. I think what Nadya is saying is very important for us to pay attention to and to be aware of what can happen and will be coming from a Trump propaganda machine and freedom of speech and free media and rights of minorities and Muslims and women and LGBT.

Here is their "Make America Great again Video". My daughter sent this to me and said she thought these women had courage and while the video has disturbing images of "branding" of names as labels, it is purposely disturbing to make one think about Trumps vision of making "America Great Again"




 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
7. only place to find truth
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:38 PM
Dec 2016

thinking artists who love people. They are like the 'Dixie Chicks' to me although they didn't go to prison for speaking out against the shrub and darth.

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
11. I remember when someone posted that here on DU
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:51 PM
Dec 2016

and agree that it was not only disturbing, but pretty graphic. And it cut through the sanitized version of oppression, and goes right to the core (actually close to what happened to enslaved Africans here in the U.S. that history classes try to suppress).

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
6. one important thing about Pussy Riot
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:34 PM
Dec 2016

These are the same people the folks at RT sold out or ignored. Remember that the next time they lecture on how wicked we are.

lark

(23,078 posts)
8. Bad times are going to come and come quickly for us.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:39 PM
Dec 2016

While we may not experience the bleak reality of Russia, it's not out of the question either with the orange fuhrer doing everything humanly possible to fuck over the working class and enrich himself, even at the cost of war with China. In some ways he may be worse than Putin, in others, held back by our courts, he may not be as bad. We will have to see. Most of us are not expecting anything other than doom and misery, and I'm sure don the con will deliver on that, if nothing else.

jeffreyi

(1,938 posts)
9. I wonder if we
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:44 PM
Dec 2016

are on the precipice of a cosmic waterfall, phase transition and all that, Berlin Wall on nuclear steroids. As in no going back. What to do?

CrispyQ

(36,437 posts)
10. It's not O.K. And I don't think it's going to be O.K.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:46 PM
Dec 2016

I hope Democratic leadership is as concerned for our country as I am, but I'm not sure they are. They've gone along with election irregularities for over a decade now. Just before this election we had bipartisan consent that US elections are solid & trustworthy, in spite of evidence to the contrary. This is a cornerstone of our democracy & the dems have not defended it. Every election there are enough stories of flipped votes on electronic voting machines that should raise questions. And the tabulator, the fucking tabulator, a hack just waiting to happen & the dems have been like crickets on this issue. Why would they suddenly care about democracy? Especially since many of them will make a lot of money with a Trump administration.

I think election 2016 was a tipping point. We've been veering off to a bad direction for a while, but now we are clearly on the path & with the force of a GOP controlled government at the federal level & at many state levels, too. https://ballotpedia.org/State_government_trifectas

We're fucked. But here is something for grins:

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
12. If I could
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:54 PM
Dec 2016

I would rec that graphic!

(as a note, we just took the governorship of NC so a tiny bit of good news)

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