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elleng

(130,865 posts)
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:27 PM Dec 2016

Torture Can Be Useful, Nearly Half of Americans in Poll Say.

(After all, it works so well on their children. )

UNITED NATIONS — Nearly half of Americans in a global survey said they believed an enemy fighter could be tortured to extract information, according to results released Monday. That finding puts respondents in the United States in contrast with citizens of many countries and at odds with international law, which prohibits torture under any circumstances.

The results were part of a poll carried out by the International Committee of the Red Cross, which surveyed 17,000 people in 16 countries, including many nations in conflict or recovering from conflict, to gauge public opinion about the laws of war.

The findings on torture were among the starkest. Among Americans, 46 percent said torture could be used to obtain information from an enemy combatant, while 30 percent disagreed and the rest said they did not know. On a more general question, one in three said torture was “part of war,” just over half called it “wrong,” and the rest said they did not know or preferred not to answer.'>>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/world/americas/torture-can-be-useful-nearly-half-of-americans-in-poll-say.html?

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Torture Can Be Useful, Nearly Half of Americans in Poll Say. (Original Post) elleng Dec 2016 OP
Absolutely shameful taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #1
and a WAR CRIME! elleng Dec 2016 #2
They can investigate all day long yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #6
It almost certainly would have had to go through the Senate Lurks Often Dec 2016 #10
Reads like you agree with Trump. Kingofalldems Dec 2016 #12
They've seen it on TV. Orsino Dec 2016 #3
That's is it in a nutshell. Of course on TV I am guessing they are not watching American military lunasun Dec 2016 #14
24 underpants Dec 2016 #4
That is a sad commentary on where we are at. CentralMass Dec 2016 #5
Then those people surveyed who thought torture useful are the foulest of humans Solly Mack Dec 2016 #7
Every cop or war show or movie shows people "breaking" in less than 10 minutes usually Dem2 Dec 2016 #8
What was the question asked? Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2016 #9
They saw it on TV. Iggo Dec 2016 #11
ETERTAINMENT brainwashing. it works in writer's misbelief. pansypoo53219 Dec 2016 #13
More NAZI swarm. lonestarnot Dec 2016 #15
The US never used torture to extract information Recursion Dec 2016 #16
Nasty Calculating Dec 2016 #17

elleng

(130,865 posts)
2. and a WAR CRIME!
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:31 PM
Dec 2016

'Torture is a war crime, according to international law. The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court said recently that she had reasonable grounds to open an investigation into allegations of torture by American forces in Afghanistan.

On the campaign trail, Donald J. Trump endorsed waterboarding, claiming that “it works.” He has suggested a shift in thinking since his election, saying that his nominee for defense secretary, Gen. James N. Mattis, believes there are more effective tactics for extracting important information from detainees.'

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
6. They can investigate all day long
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:43 PM
Dec 2016

But we are not under the ICC or get ruling from Hague. I thought president obama would have got us under it but didn't.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
10. It almost certainly would have had to go through the Senate
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:27 PM
Dec 2016

to get ratified as a treaty and getting the 2/3rds needed was probably never going to happen.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
14. That's is it in a nutshell. Of course on TV I am guessing they are not watching American military
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 11:11 AM
Dec 2016

tortured for drama and suspense

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
7. Then those people surveyed who thought torture useful are the foulest of humans
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:56 PM
Dec 2016

who are beneath contempt and should be ostracized.

And, to put it plainly - they are a malady of intestinal necrosis in dire need of being removed from the body human.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
8. Every cop or war show or movie shows people "breaking" in less than 10 minutes usually
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:59 PM
Dec 2016

What the heck else would morons in our ignoramus country think?

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
9. What was the question asked?
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:22 PM
Dec 2016

If asked the question "can torture be useful?" I would unhesitatingly answer "yes", because it can.

That doesn't mean that I think it's ethical or legal, or that I think the US should engage in it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. The US never used torture to extract information
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 11:27 AM
Dec 2016

That's what's so appalling. And people are just fundamentally mistaken about how and why torture was used. Any time somebody was being waterboarded, the interrogator was asking questions the US already knew the answers to. Torture is used for compliance, not information.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
17. Nasty
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 12:30 PM
Dec 2016

Torture simply degrades the humanity of the torturer and tends to provide faulty information, or info that you already knew. My opinion has always been that if you hate someone enough to torture them, you should just sentence them to death and do it quickly.

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