Looking for the best scientific webpage that says the Moon landing wasnt fake

[brettdale]

Got a friend, who swears it was fake, just like to send him a link with
a different point of view, but wanting a scientific webpage, that would
be hard for him to dispute.

[longship]

1. Phil Plait, the Bad Astronomer.

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Just Google "Bad Astronomer moon hoax" and you will get it.

Dr. Plait made his name as the Bad Astronomer by taking these idiots down. It is why his Blog is still one of the best science Blogs on the INet.

Here is a good history that goes back to the original Fox News broadcast that started it all.
Moon Hoax + 10 (ten years after the original broadcast). Here's his point-by-point takedown of the Fox moon hoax broadcast.

Best yet. Here's Buzz Aldrin punching a moon hoax asshole in the face. It was a good punch, too. Bart Sibrel was shut down after that.

Love ya, Buzz. You are one bad ass moon landing astronaut.

That's all I've got for now. After Buzz, there's no more to be said about the so-called moon hoax. He's said all anybody could about it... with his fist. (He was 72 years old at the time. And he all but decked idiot Sibrel.)

[madokie]

7. Gets funnier every time I watch this

I'd not have waited as long as Buzz did is what I think.

[mountain grammy]

20. I love this, been a while since I've seen it..

I want to do this to every science denying, bible thumping, asshole trump voter out there. Right now!

Show the deniers this, then punch them right in their stupid face.

[nil desperandum]

35. This is one of the

best responses to jagoffs who think the landings were a hoax....arrogant turd running his mouth in Aldrin's face...

I'm not advocating violence as a solution, but sometimes it just works so well to shut up a lying turd like Sibrel.

[Downtown Hound]

46. Violence is acceptable as self-defense, which this was.

That asshole was getting in Aldrin's way and preventing him from getting away, which is all he wanted to do. The minute you block somebody's free will of movement, you are committing an assault. Aldrin had every right to clock him. And yes, that was rather satisfying, yes?

[ismnotwasm]

37. Hahahahaha

I needed this

[canetoad]

2. Here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

Although these days, what is proof?

Man, I'm wondering why you're bothered. I'm SO over convincing people that their whacky theories can't be true. Sometimes you've just gotta walk away and let them think what they think.

[longship]

3. Or, like Buzz Aldrin, just punch them in the face.

See my response above (#1)

[canetoad]

4. Aye

Works just as well.

[Warren DeMontague]

5. There have been high resolution photos taken by NASA of the landing sites.

For 4 decades astronomers have been bouncing lasers off the ranging reflectors left by the Apollo astronauts, to precisely measure the Earth-Moon distance.

Anyone still clinging to that "it was faked" idiocy is beyond help.

[Glassunion]

31. It's 2016... Can we please get some damn color photos of the moon already?

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Um.. Those might, actually be in color.

There's not a whole ton of color on the moon so color photos are sort of beside the point.

Notice the difference.

[aidbo]

40. Some other versions of "Earthrise".

The 1968 "Earthrise" image wasn't framed as well and the horizon isn't as level as it shows in your image.



Here's the wiki about that photo.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthrise

And here's an amazing photo taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter very recently.



There are higher resolution versions of these on the wiki as well.

[irisblue]

41. Wow! what did we do to get such a pretty planet?

look at that detail in Africa

[aidbo]

45. Some other classic space photos of Earth.

"The Blue Marble" taken by Apollo 17.



"Pale Blue Dot" taken by Voyager I from beyond the orbit of Pluto.


"That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there – on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam." -Carl Sagan

[Warren DeMontague]

49. yes. If you haven't ever seen the HBO miniseries "from the Earth to the Moon", it's worth a watch

particularly if you're a space nerd like I am.

But one of my favorite episodes of the whole thing is called "1968"- it focuses on the turmoil/shitstorm of that year and contrasts it with the Apollo 8 mission. The scene when they come around the moon for the first time and witness that- I think it was Borman who took the shot- is chill inducing.

[aidbo]

50. I'm waiting until new game of thrones episodes to resubscribe

To HBO Now, so I'll have to remember to check it out.

Thanks!

[longship]

55. Just put all of it on my Netflix queue.

And then bumped to the top.

Produced by Tom Hanks.

[melman]

6. You've got this backwards

It's up to him to prove it was fake.

[annabanana]

8. (good point) . . n/t

[metalbot]

9. I don't usually try to convince these people

I'm fascinated by the mental processes behind believing in conspiracy theories, because you have to believe a lot of unbelievable things in order to support the world view that supports the main conspiracy.

For example, you'd have to believe that most of the people who worked on apollo were duped into thinking it was a real project. You'd have to either get large telemetry teams on board with the plan, or you'd have to find a way to get other telemetry experts to fake the data that is being fed to the people who think they are telemetry experts. You'd have to have unique geological samples that would fool geologists, or you'd have to get a bunch of geologists in on the plan. And then everyone who was in on the plan would need to never spill the beans for 50 years.

Most of these theories rely on the notion of an incredibly powerful and competent government.

[Thor_MN]

10. Up to the friend to prove it was fake

How does he explain the reflectors that were placed on the moon? Any one with a powerful enough laser can bounce a beam off the reflector.

[DetlefK]

11. Aliens.

[ProfessorGAC]

12. Again?

Man, those aliens are such pests! Why can't they put reflectors on their own moon? Leaving their junk around our system!

[Whiskeytide]

34. Felony pic foul! ...

... Internet law forbids the identification of any unknown cause as "Aliens" without proper meme reference.



http://

[PJMcK]

13. Why bother

The profound rise of ignorance in our country has diminished people's critical thinking abilities. Anyone who believes that the moon landings were faked is beyond help.

Similarly, anyone who believes in a "young Earth" cannot rationally drive a car because the technology couldn't exist if the universe is less than 10,000 years old.

We live among stupid people. Look who they elected.

[HAB911]

14. Have we poisioned ourselves to the point

half the population is insane?

[Quackers]

15. There are photos from LROC that show the landing sites.

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The only thing for certain that can't be seen is the first flag planted. It was blown over when the departure vehicle fired its rockets.

[Dave Starsky]

24. Actually, the Hubble cannot do this.

Hubble's abilities are more in the realm of gathering minuscule amounts of light from faraway objects. The stuff we left on the moon is still too tiny even for Hubble to resolve.

However, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter CAN do this, and it has!

[Delphinus]

26. Welcome to DU!

[Quackers]

28. You're right. I don't know why I said Hubble. I remember seeing images from LROC just last week.

Here is a link to the images of the Apollo mission landing sites.

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/how-to-see-all-six-apollo-moon-landing-sites/

[Dave Starsky]

33. Hey, thanks for that.

That's a nice one-stop shop for that. I run into deniers from time to time, too, so this will help.

Of course, they'll probably just say these pictures are faked. There's just no winning with these people.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. I'm not sure that's the issue, so much, as it is that the amount of light reflected by the moon

is many orders of magnitude above what the hubble is designed to detect. They don't want to blow out the Hubble's sensitive instruments pointing it at something it wasn't designed to look at.

Anyone who has ever taken a backyard telescope out and, after looking at stars/planets then pointed it at a full moon will understand the difference.

[Recursion]

16. My favorite Moon-truther theory...

... is that the landing did actually happen, but that conditions (radiation, usually) made filming impossible, so they had to fake the footage.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. I've Never Heard That One!

That's almost as dumb as the "fake" believers, but at least it doesn't ignore the simple fact that thousands of professional staff would have to be in on the fix for the whole thing to be a fake.

[baldguy]

18. Why it was impossible to fake the 1969 moon landing

http://www.geek.com/geek-pick/why-it-was-impossible-to-fake-the-1969-moon-landing-1537386/

[TreasonousBastard]

22. This guy is good!

[ManiacJoe]

42. That is a great video!

[hatrack]

19. I hate to ask this, but why in God's name are you bothering?

[Oneironaut]

21. There are reflectors on the moon that were left by the astronauts.

People still bounce lasers off them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

Given the correct equipment, you can still do it today.

[machoneman]

23. You'd be better...

...off donating a few dollars to your local mental health organization and slowly, then permanently, backing away from this "friend".

Trust me, nothing you could say or do can help him know the truth.

[trotsky]

25. Ask him why, if it was fake...

that the Russians haven't ever tried to destroy the crown jewel and ultimate bragging rights of our space program over theirs.

[dembotoz]

27. actually my bf just vacationed in russia in sept....and they are taught it is fake

things like how can the flag stand out when there is no wind

how come there are no stars in the sky on the moon when you see stars here on earth


few other things too....folks asked her about it not once but on a number of occasions. enuf that she got several email addresses to respond to....

[trotsky]

30. But if the Russians had evidence it were truly faked,

they would have provided it to the world.

[snooper2]

29. Might be easier just to tell him he is stupid...

[Glassunion]

32. Shortest distance between two points and all...

[cbdo2007]

36. I have an employee who recently told me she thinks the moon landing was faked.

Normally I would state that these people are wacky or don't have a firm grasp of reality or aren't smart....she is none of those things. She actually does amazing work, just happens to have this weird belief with no evidence to back it up.

[ManiacJoe]

44. You can be really smart on subject A and really dumb on subject B.

Most people go though life exactly that way, with the subject B column being orders of magnitude bigger than the subject A column.

[Thor_MN]

56. I had a coworker who thought evolution was nonsense.

At first, I thought she was joking. We were programmers, and together we turned out some pretty amazing code. The two of us did what an entire team of 20 or more proclaimed what was impossible. They went on to start making the replacement for what our program did and ten years later, their program finally took over what ours was doing all along.

Any way, over the years, I gradually realized she wasn't joking and truly did not believe in evolution. I decided that it wasn't an argument worth fighting and it did not affect her ability to write code. I have some 20 and 30 year old coworkers that think bleaching their hair gray is a cool idea... Similarly stupid, but it doesn't affect their work, so...

[ManiacJoe]

43. When people go that stupid,

I usually just offer them my college physics books so they can educate themselves.

[Downtown Hound]

47. I wouldn't even bother, waste of time. n/t

[librechik]

48. can't prove a negative

Just for fun, take a look at your friend's evidence. Or not. I find the interviews with the German guy who built the custom lunar Hasselblad compelling. But then I have an open mind that is never made up.

Expressing interest in anything controversial here invites a lot of party poopers to pee in your pizza. So please ignore the dreamers and outliers and conform to the bland. It's the way to survive at DU.

[yellowcanine]

51. Ya got it backwards. Tell him the burden of proof is on his sorry butt.

[rurallib]

52. I think I would tell him that life isn't long enough to have stupid friends

and dump him.

If he decides to join reality then tell him to call you.

[SidDithers]

53. Show 'em the video...

Sid

[FuzzyRabbit]

54. "Proof positive" that the moon landing was faked.