The real oxymorons - "religious" (no matter which) Trump supporters

[NRaleighLiberal]

Those are the ones that to me define hypocrisy and ignorance most of all.

Whether due to willful ignorance or brainwashing by the pulpit of their choice, those are the ones that go on my shittiest of shit lists (sadly, I have family members that fit into this category)....

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

1. People that voted solely on the "pro-life" republican dogma are insane

I have a couple aunts like that. Some of the whitest people you'll ever meet on the south shore of MA. Fake Christians that are saps to the Christian industrial complex.
Even if you're one of those "life begins at conception" loons, and that HRC would be guilty of murder by enabling abortions (which is complete sophistry), there's still the 4th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th commandments that Donny violates almost daily.

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[NRaleighLiberal]

2. it's my brother, in our family - he's always been insecure and needing an authority figure

married into holy-rollerness and happily drinks the kool aid. We are estranged at the moment, as you can imagine.

[stopbush]

3. Why do you find it an oxymoron?

The dominant religion in this country is Xianity, which tells people that their reward is in a heavenly afterlife, not here on earth. For many people, that gives them the excuse to hunker down into an "I'm being persecuted for my belief in Jeebus, just like he said I would be" mentality that they wear as a badge of honor. It's quite easy to deny climate change when you believe Jeebus will return during your lifetime. It's easy to ignore equality when you believe the only REAL justice lies in heaven, and that everything on this planet has been corrupted by Satan.

I for one am sick and tired of the elevating the idea of being a "real Xian" as something to be admired. It should be detested, and absolutely so. Read the effing words of Jesus. Read the racist, bigotted, misogynistic rantings of that megalomaniac and tell me what he ever said that was helpful to the human condition, outside of his rehashing the centuries-old golden rule?

I've got news for you: those "fake Xians" everyone talks about? They're real Xians, period.

As most of our Founding Fathers well knew, Xianity is and has been a blight upon humanity. Those "real Xians" everyone talks about are the Xians who take the Bible as a whole, who don't cherry pick only the "nice" verses and who do not reinterpret the shitty parts through the prism of Enlightened thought, as if the overt misogyny and bigotry exhibited by Jeebus can be reinterpreted into a metaphor for the good.

Our species needs to get over Xianity ASAP, for it lies at the very core of every bigoted RW idea that has come down the pike over the past 30 years. At some point, we need to address the source of our problems, not the symptoms. The problem is not conservatism or Republicanism. It's Xian dogma that is driving the political agenda of today's R Party that is the real problem here.

[NRaleighLiberal]

4. very well stated. thanks.

My use of oxymoron was more in their perspective - seeing what they seek in one who is the opposite of what they seek.....the irony of it all.

But I tend to agree with you. I grew up attending church (that family thing) - but now see the damage that organized religion can do. I abhor group think and authoritarianism.

[el_bryanto]

6. Of course many Christians are Democrats and post on this very board.

I don't see myself getting over Christianity personally.

Bryant

[stopbush]

8. That's a shame.

Perhaps you can explain to me how people who live in a Democracy aspire to spend an eternity in the dictatorship of the heavenly kingdom as outlined in the Buy-bull? As I like to say, there are no votes in heaven.

Must be something of a shock to go from having at least the perception of human autonomy to endless worship of a supernatural being who - at least in the words of Jesus himself - has no problem casting your wife and children into eternal hellfire if they do not confess him as their savior. As Aquinas said, one of the joys of heaven is getting to look down on those suffering in hell and to be joyful that you're not one of them.

[el_bryanto]

10. Well this isn't really a good place for an extended discussion of religion

I'll just say that my impression of the character of God is different than yours.

Bryant

[MANative]

5. Take the "oxy" out and now you're talking.

[Act_of_Reparation]

7. Why the scare quotes?

Is it not possible to be both religious and bad at your religion?

[NRaleighLiberal]

9. Because I think that they are not what they think they are.

[Act_of_Reparation]

11. Which is what?

If they're not "religious", what are they, in your opinion?

[NRaleighLiberal]

12. Hypocrites

[Act_of_Reparation]

13. Which brings me right back to my original question.

"Religious" and "hypocritical" aren't mutually exclusive terms. No religious person follows the dictates of their creed to the letter. Ergo, all religious people are hypocritical in one way or another.

[BSdetect]

14. When you are 7 years old and still believe in religious dogma you are likely to be captured for life

After about 7 the odds of escaping decrease it seems.

Just my experience.

[Bettie]

15. I've come to the conclusion that you can not

claim to be a follower of Christ and support that creature.

You can be a Lutheran/Baptist/Mormon, etc. but as per their own holy texts, this guy is as far from their claimed values as one can get.

In fact, he pretty much fits their concept of the anti-christ. And yet, they supported him in huge numbers.

Yes, there are Christians who are liberals, but I'm talking about the others, the ones who truly believe that religion is a means to bludgeon those who are not exactly the same as they are.

I'm related to a large number of these people, by marriage and birth. I can't even talk to them anymore and I will never trust any of them again, because they have chosen hate as their primary value.