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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPresident Obama can save this country.
He needs to go on TV and speak to the nation. He has to lay out the interference by Russia in our democratic process, even at the risk of compromising sources and methods. He needs to go on to say an election that happened under the influence of such interference is a nullity. He should set a new election date. Then he should announce he has positioned troops around the country and called up the National Guard and he will not hesitate to declare martial law in the event of violence.
He will rank with Washington and Lincoln in the history of this nation if he does. If he doesn't we will have to fix things ourselves and it will be very messy.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)I think they already said the results stand unfortunately.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)do something about it. I do. He's a bad whammer jammer!
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)Which is a hell of a lot more than we do. I don't think the FBI can be trusted though.
I wonder if he can recall all the Secret Service agents from NYC?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)before he takes action. That's his track record in office. And I like it!
MBS
(9,688 posts)This is Obama, to a T.
And it is one of the many reasons why I have such confidence in him.
kacekwl
(7,013 posts)you are correct.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)It's how he works, so I'd expect the same methods now.
confoosed
(14 posts)dont give up hope!
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)What's with the date? Dates can be postponed for various reasons and we have good ones.
Maraya1969
(22,462 posts)court nominee and explained how it could mean horror and probably death for members of my family if the AHC is actually defunded, (I think the Supreme Court could stop something like that)
And I added some real other concerns about a potential 3 new CONSERVATIVE judges on there. Laws can be changed. But Supreme court decisions are an entire other ball game.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
If enough people write to him about what you are saying he would know he has the American people behind him.
And I do believe he can be a real bad ass and won't be surprised if he instills martial law for a time being. A friend who spent her entire career in the army told me she thinks that is what he will do.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)❤️
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)Dear Mr. President,
I am writing to you to let you know that I believe our country is in grave danger due to the possible illegitimate presidential election that took place. Today I read that the Russians had a role in the outcome of this election.
Because of this concern alone, I am demanding that this issue be addressed and investigated in full prior to swearing in Donald Trump as President of the United States.
I find Mr. Trump to be a frightening person and I cannot believe a word he says being his statements change on a daily basis.
I fear for our country Mr. President and while your time in office is short, there is still time to do something about this treasonous behavior that We the People are witnessing.
Thank you for you prompt attention to my request for a thorough investigation.
Sincerely,
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I wrote this letter. Others have my permission to use it if needed.
CountAllVotes
Maraya1969
(22,462 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)Seems to work best when writing to public officials, etc. Doesn't take up as much of their time to read which is sad in hindsight but I hope it helps!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)They might actually read it if it isn't too long and require and IQ of 90+ we can hope. It could get passed on or thrown in the trash. Who knows?
The point is that you can sit around pontificating as to what to do but at least this is something that can be done!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)The Blue Flower
(5,434 posts)This is a clear crisis.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)They need to hear from US
cwydro
(51,308 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)progressoid
(49,947 posts)He's too accommodating.
Maraya1969
(22,462 posts)Maraya1969
(22,462 posts)strategy. There is too much of this, "It won't work" flying across Dems mouths!
We need to be the change we want to see. You can do it and you can help other people do it.
mazzarro
(3,450 posts)Obama WILL NOTdo such a thing bearing in mind that one of the things that RWNJ have been accussing of is the suspicion of him not wanting to leave office at the end of his term by imposing martial law.
onenote
(42,590 posts)I'm thinking not.
Apart from it not being what I suspect you think it is, it expressly allows Congress to end a declaration of a national emergency by concurrent resolution. How long do you think it would take for the Republican congress to pass such a resolution?
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)I just feel sorry for him. I think he is ready to enjoy life as a civilian again. And yet, poor guy may have to be the busiest lame duck in the history of the United States. This is kind of a big fire.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)thought Orange Julius Caesar was too big a clown to pull it off. Remember when they said the Russians wanted to drop him after he insulted that Gold Star family?
Putin could send Obama a signal by arresting a few people to blame for it. They still have the hot line, right?
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Oh that's right. His love life with Putin was on the rocks for awhile there. Seems the lovebirds have since made up and may be shacking up together planning for their house warming in January.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Congressional investig. into Russian hacks.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)As business as usual.
dflprincess
(28,072 posts)and some Republicans in Congress. Graham might go along with it.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)And call for new elections at the same time.
I expect none of this to happen.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Address.. I can only imagine wth will be in there.
The fascists have given him enough fodder to go on.
Thank you, rz
Maraya1969
(22,462 posts)world wide wally
(21,739 posts)Quayblue
(1,045 posts)I don't think he will.
And not because I think he's weak. I think he wants us as a nation to own this and come together and force change. He's said it before and I think he actually meant it.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts):/ I gotta admit, I see the wisdom in that. Still, I do have faith he's doing everything he can on his end.
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)I have my disagreements but I honestly think he does careful measurement before action.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Actually. Seriously!!
longship
(40,416 posts)And President Obama is not a dictator. He has no power to nullify a national election.
Want to get rid of Drumpf? First, get a majority in both houses of congress, than impeach and convict.
That's how it works in the USA. The only way.
Hyper_Eye
(675 posts)I've been on this site since the 2004 election and we've been through a lot. I thought I was about to have to bail on this place looking through this thread. What is being suggested here is not supported by the constitution period. Were President Obama to do this he would not be seen in the same light as Washington and Lincoln by history. This would be the only thing he would be remembered for and it would be that he was the president that tossed the constitution in the trash. No. No. No.
I want to see Trump gone. But it has to be through legal means. President Obama is not going to be the one that fixes this. And you know what? It's not his responsibility to fix it. He worked his ass off for eight years. He came in cleaning up the mess of the previous administration. His service is coming to an end and he gets to take a well deserved break. This is our mess to clean up. The people's mess.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,652 posts)tableturner
(1,680 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)By all criteria there was an election as specified in the US Constitution.
Please stop with this rubbish. There are no Mulligans in US national elections.
Sadly, we are stuck with Drumpf because the only way out now under our law is impeachment and removal as prescribed by the constitution. Good luck to us with that!
eShirl
(18,479 posts)as Keith Olberman mentioned recently...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_4:_Vice_Presidential.E2.80.93Cabinet_declaration
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[24] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President disabled by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President.
Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacitation prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President may resume exercising the Presidential duties by sending a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House.
Should the Vice President and Cabinet believe the President is still disabled, they may within four days of the President's declaration submit another declaration that the President is incapacitated. If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President while Congress deliberates.
However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Acting President and the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.
yikes
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Besides Mattis I don't think he would get another vote remove him from office at this point. If he picks this Exxon guy for SecState then that will be another Cabinet member that will support him until he is collecting his feces and urine in jars in the West Wing (and I would not be too sure he would be removed even then).
wordpix
(18,652 posts)They may prefer Pence but he won't be much better than Drumpf
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Which may be inclined to do their job if enough info is released...?
wordpix
(18,652 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,238 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)I'll stand by my posts.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,238 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)And understand that there are no Mulligans for US presidential elections. None whatsoever!
No matter how much we hate Donald Drumpf, he is the president-elect by all legal metrics. Yes, in spite of any shenanigans.
Sadly, that is the fact of the matter.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)Kotya
(235 posts)Is anyone actually accusing the Russians of hacking our machines and changing legal votes? No. They're not.
The Russians are being accused of influencing our election by releasing to Wikileaks hacked emails that show the DNC colluded to hobble Bernie Sanders' primary campaign, emails that DNC officials have never denied, by the way.
Are the Russians pro-Trump? Absolutely!
And practically every other European leader was unabashedly pro-Clinton.
Did these emails embarrass Hillary Clinton, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC? You bet.
Did these emails alter the outcome of the election? It's debatable that pissed-off Bernie supporters might have stayed home or voted third party as a result of confirming what many of them suspected; that DWS and the DNC was in the tank for HRC.
Did the Russians steal our election? No.
Do we get a re-do? No.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Exercising the 25th amendment.
The EC refuses to vote for Trump.
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colorado_ufo
(5,730 posts)Then, he needs to petition THE SUPREME COURT, in light of the election's having been compromised, to call a second election.
When the Supreme Court decided to intervene in the matter of Bush v Gore, they set a precedent for involving the Court in a national election.
This precedent can be used for the Court's privilege to order a second election, as the matter of a foreign actor interfering with a US election is not (to my knowledge) specifically addressed in the Constitution. Since an opinion of "no confidence" could be reasonably given to the results of this election, and since this cause of a compromised election is not addressed in the Constitution, then remedies stated and approved in the Constitution for such events as a tied election do not apply, and the Court could declare the first election null and void and set a date for another.
If the results remain the same, then so be it, but it should be done.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)The Supreme Court can't reach out and take up an issue on its own authority. A matter must be brought before them by a party with standing to do so, as was the case in Bush v Gore. They did not "[decide] to intervene", but rather Bush petitioned the Court to review the legality of the Florida recount as it was being carried out at the time and the Court agreed to take the case. Very big difference there.
colorado_ufo
(5,730 posts)No court brings up matters independently.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)joanbarnes
(1,721 posts)Solomon
(12,310 posts)This is exactly what the right wing conspiracy nuts have been saying Obama would do for 8 years. Chaos and civil war would break out and the idiots would finally have their excuse for using all those guns and bullets they've been stockpiling.
confoosed
(14 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Half this country would feel as though a coup is occurring.
...and that might be true. You get to re-do elections.
bmpbmp
(310 posts)Abq_Sarah
(2,883 posts)It's not a coup when your candidate loses. Sec Clinton brought a lot of baggage with her into this election and ran a relatively weak campaign. Lessons need to be learned and the first is to make our party a 50 state party and start taking back seats in 2018/2020. Losers point fingers, winners regroup and move forward.
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TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)infiniti30
(2 posts)So you want Obama to officially become a dictator?
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tritsofme
(17,370 posts)Get a grip.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)tritsofme
(17,370 posts)Your Obama as dictator fantasy is some pretty sick shit.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)LAS14
(13,769 posts)putitinD
(1,551 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)The good news, however, is that Alan Lichtman was one of the only historians who maintained throughout that DT would win the election, has also predicted that he'll be impeached, but I fear he'll do an awful lot of damage in the meantime.
LAS14
(13,769 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)drunk or working for them
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Most of the posts here are based on wishful thinking when it comes to Obama doing something. There is nothing in our constitution that allows for a do-over. Nothing would please me more than to have Donald Trump removed as the President-Elect. But it will not happen.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)could never have foreseen this mess. We are in uncharted territory. I am not okay with the Russians fucking with our elections.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)In fact, I'm astonished today this story hasn't been bigger than it has. The whole idea that another country could hack our election and it not be an explosive story. Instead it has up to now barely made a ripple.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)enough
(13,255 posts)He won't.
Abu Pepe
(637 posts)President Obama has no power to nullify an election. But if he has the goods on Trump te EC could throw it to the House. They would probably elect Pence.
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)It cannot happen. More's the pity, but such a thing is impossible in this country.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)I thought the election of an admitted serial sexual assaulter was "impossible." It happened.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)Do you want Trump in charge of a military junta? That would be a possibility in the scenario you described.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)Commander in Chief. I am sure the President knows the politics of his military.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)With the massive hacking of the votes he could simply say that he was the last president elected by the people in a fair election. That no new election would be set until a point and time where voting could be guaranteed "hack free".
For the vast majority of us we'd not have a problem extending his term out 2, 4, or even 8 more years.
Then declare martial law and if the red staters revolted we'd crush them with our military. Perhaps in the next election their votes really wouldn't matter. It would be a win win or our party and real America.
SomethingNew
(279 posts)I really hope this is a troll post. This whole thread is frightening to witness.
I, for one, would have a huge problem with suspended elections and having Obama stay on as Supreme Leader for another few years.
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)I hear it is good for herpes of the mouth.
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)That is truly brilliant.
While nothing would please me more than the type of chaos this action would bring, you do realize who has all the weapons and also think they have the divine right to use them against their fellow humans and Americans? How many in the armed forces would think nullifying the results of an election by President Obama is probably a bad thing and would be sympathetic to Trump's side?
And on our side, people who need safe spaces to deal with an unpleasant reality and keyboard warriors.
A lot of people will die and lots of lives will be destroyed and while I can certainly live with that, can you?
Once again, the three d chess b.s. about how President Obama is putting all his ducks in a row before he unleashes marshal law while Trump plays checkers.
We laughed at people who thought Jade Helm would result in FEMA camps but this, entirely plausible, why it is starting to feel like Fitzmas.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)I am not comfortable with them choosing our President and more terrified of him being Commander in Chief than I am of a bunch of mouth breathers with AR-15s. If our military sides with Russia we are truly fucked. I have to leave for a while, but would be happy to hear your solution.
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)My solution? It is not a final solution by any means but we need to accept the transfer of power. That does not mean we acquiesce to allow the powers that be to run roughshod over everyone and everything they disagree with.
We hold their feet to the fire over everything but remember, sauce for the gander. If we merely obstruct things like our President had to put up with for eight years, then we are no different and certainly no better than them. Oh, does it now matter whose ox is being gored? Our motives are pure so their methods are now justified?
The media went out of its way to protect and promote Hillary and folks saw that and when people think they are having something forced upon them, they rebel. Now the same media is sweeping their perfidy under the rug and point at those scary Russians, Reagan would be proud of them and wonder why they were not behind him when he was president.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)Two-thirds of whom think Obama increased unemployment. Make a money grubbing sociopath Commander in Chief. Let Russia hack our election. Swell.
I must be a fool not to be okay with this.
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)Is it not rather disingenuous to say only eighty thousand people decided this election?
At least two reasons:
1) The folks who voted for Trump number at approximately 61,125,956.00000. Is it now OK to disenfranchise their votes? I might be somewhat inclined to side with you except the Republicans also swept the Governorships, the Senate and the House, is that not then, the will of the people? Or does that only matter when they vote as you wanted? This we know better attitude brought us Trump.
2) I am not comfortable with having only a few large cities decide who the President is, which is really what the popular vote is although in 2016 they most likely would at least vote a Democrat in.
You should be angry at the media and Hillary for giving the impression that she had it in the bag and then folks stayed home and now we have four years of Trump.
I guess the media admitting they went out of their way to sway the election towards Hillary is OK by you and we need only pay lip service to an impartial media?
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)Less than 80,000 votes. I'm not comfortable with that given the Russian influence and Orange Julius Caesar's popular vote shortfall.
The media "went out of its way to sway the election towards Hillary?" I must have missed that part bigly (as Drumpf would say). There was something about emails....
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)the status quo, without question.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)We all know Obama doesn't roll lIke that.
He's not a boat rocker.
This should have been investigated when first discovered.
He should have overrode McConnell and went on TV about this.
He's not a bomb thrower.
He's a smooth transition guy.
demjayhawk
(5 posts)We need to start a petition to make Obama respond to this while he still can. He can not simply ignore all of this. He needs to get involved and at least find a way to appoint Biden as his replacement. Worst case, marshal law?
spanone
(135,793 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)You don't think it would get "messy" if the President, let alone "We" tried? How many gun owners voted for Trump? How Many NRA members? How many members of the military? The National Guard? former military?
And if you think the military would just wipe out the right wing because of their superior firepower, how is that working out in Afghanistan etc?
Far from Washington or Lincoln he would be thought of as a 3rd world dictator. He wants a legacy but that isn't it.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)sarisataka
(18,494 posts)is to install a dictatorship...
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)sarisataka
(18,494 posts)calls out the military and declared martial law he would be a dictator. Perhaps a benevolent one who would peacefully leave once an election with the proper result occurs, but still a dictator.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)position of having total control of the country, which is what the dictionary says a dictator is.
sarisataka
(18,494 posts)But such action is well beyond anything granted to the president by the Constitution. I am uncomfortable setting a precedent for unilateral executive action backed with military force.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)that was not precedent and limited to that case. I am more uncomfortable with Orange Julius Caesar, the Russians and the oligarchs taking over our country and our lives. I posted this here earlier today, but it sank-
Thought experiment.
1860-Queen Victoria is discovered to be paying people to distribute handbills in the U.S. supporting Breckenridge.
1916-Kaiser Wilhelm takes out ads in all major U.S. papers supporting Hughes.
1936-Hitler funds radio broadcasts in U.S. supporting Landon.
What would have been the U.S. response? Why is 2016 different?
I consider meddling in our election an act of war by Russia. (Yes, I know the U.S. has meddled in elections).
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)That will fuel the phony-patriots.
Most places will be fine. Happy even.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)missing something?
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Has DU lost its mind? You don't cancel elections that have been held and certified. Who even has the authority to cancel an election? Would be a constitutional crisis with lots of violence and people leaving the country.
Everyone knows that canceling prior elections, where no constitutional provision exists, is the Pandora's Box to dictatorships.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)There is, apparently, according to the people at DU who still have their minds, no recourse but to let Russia select our President. Because that's what the founding fathers would have wanted when they failed to foresee computer hacking in the days of muskets and sailing ships.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Once we did, it was over. Whether Russia is the determining factor or not, it was up to us to vote wisely and we failed.
Do you even know what would happen to you if the military backed Trump? Have you seen what happens to people and their families who back losing coups?
If the military backed Trump, there would be a bloodbath against those who backed the election cancellation.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)Because, of course, he "knows more than the generals." Germans in the 1930's did not want a bloodbath either. They got one anyway.
We will see no more elections in this country after Trump. Just fake, reality TV elections.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And I hope I am incorrect on this, but nothing in the past eight years gives me any hope that what you write will happen. Plus, I cannot see how the Constitution would allow for this.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)to foresee computer hacking. I have probably engaged in wishful thinking, but I have to think the President and the intelligence community know a lot more about what happened and is happening than we do.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)to bury the report and hope for the best.
My prediction only.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)is sworn in until god knows when.
Runningdawg
(4,514 posts)what the right have been saying Obama will do for the past 8 years. It would play directly into their hands and the troops could not be deployed fast enough to stop the slaughter that would come to be known as the start of the next civil war but also the 3rd World War. Before he was finished speaking the "patriots" would have already began killing their neighbors.
Another thing to consider, the military is a reflection of the nation. They have Trump supporters, white supremacists, conspiracy theorists, oath keepers, Bible thumpers and survivalists within their ranks. Sure they all took the same oath to "protect and defend" but they will all act on that oath and on the order to fire on American citizens much differently. The whole nation under martial law? Not even remotely possible.
Most importantly, it would send the barbarians crashing through the gate, while the people responsible will be safe in their bunkers. Within 24 hours our foreign enemies will see this as their golden opportunity. Within 36 hours millions will be dead and our grid and infrastructure would be a shamble. Within 48 hours the world as we know it would cease to exist.
Isn't this what we are trying to prevent???
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)nicely for favors. I think the military would fire on people who shoot at them rather than asking if they have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior or if they think Sandy Hook was an inside job.
I don't think World War III would follow.Who would nuke us? China? When we are the biggest customer for their crappy products? Russia? When Putin wants to sell us oil? France? Pakistan? India? I am more worried about Cheeto Sporkhands having the nuclear codes and Tweeting us into World War III at 3 a.m. in a Twitter snit.
Whatever happens, this is not going to end well. I am too fucking old to learn Russian.
ztug
(4 posts)lf Civil War comes to be who do you think will win? The anti gun city dwellers or the gun owning county folk? The military voted heavily for Trump, not Hilary, so don't delude yourself into thinking that they would follow orders from a "Commander in Chief" that they already don't respect and who has refused to leave office as prescribed by the Constitution. Even if they did , they haven't been able to beat a few thousand Taliban let alone a few million Americans, many of whom are former military with similar training.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)I have heard that more than once here today. Makes me wonder why they would circulate such an unfounded rumor unless someone started it for a reason. I am becoming a conspiracy theorist in my old age.
red dog 1
(27,771 posts)President Obama should have gone on TV on November 9th to "layout the interference by Russia in our democratic process."
A foreign power interfering in a United States Presidential Election is unprecedented, as well as totally unacceptable.
He could have called for new elections then, and a majority of the American people would likely have agreed with him.
Instead, he called HRC early in the AM on Nov. 9th, and strongly suggested to her that she should concede, even though the votes were still coming in from the West Coast & Hawaii, and she already had a large plurality of the total vote up to that time.
Why did he do that?
milestogo
(16,829 posts)as the man who knew everything before it was too late and did absolutely nothing about it.
It's up to you, President Obama. The world is watching.
Link: Petition SCOTUS to Invalidate Election Results Of 2016 - Order A New Election https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/scotus-invalidate-election-results-2016-order-new-election
jalan48
(13,842 posts)It would have tilted the election to Hillary and then it could have been investigated more under a Clinton Administration (and probably a Democratic Senate as well).
To know that the Russians were actively trying to help Trump win the election and then say, "He didn't want to influence the outcome" is extremely odd. It's like playing a game where you know the other team is cheating and you not only continue to play by the rules but refuse to call the other team out on their actions. The horse has already left the barn.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)brooklynite
(94,356 posts)...would be perfectly okay if a Republican President did the same thing, right?
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)there is no longer any bright line between what's wrong and right. Foreign interference on behalf of a candidate is WRONG period. It doesn't depend on whose side they favored. We have the Republicans saying "move on, there is nothing to see here." People posting to this thread think the military will not follow orders but take sides.
There were people who said FDR let Japan bomb Pearl Harbor to get the U.S. into World War II. They weren't numbered in the millions. There is no way a country this divided can move forward.
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rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)Response to rzemanfl (Reply #149)
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rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)I disagree Genghis. It is still our country, problems and all.
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(4,462 posts)aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)He already knew about the CIA confirmation of Russian hacking, said nothing about it, and then said things like....
"Yeah, listen. If you want to persuade me that everything is going to be terrible, then we can talk ourselves into that. Or we can act. It is what it is. Theres been an election. Theres going to be a Trump presidency, and Republicans are going to control Congress. And the question is gonna be, for those like you and I, who care about these issues, do we figure out how to continue to make progress in this environment until we have a chance for the next election, he said."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2016/11/29/obama-on-trumps-election-win-its-not-a-miracle/?utm_term=.9013f1f38809