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We have a President Elect taking sides with Russia over our own intelligence agencies. (Original Post) boston bean Dec 2016 OP
Well...well... something about the White Working Class. DURHAM D Dec 2016 #1
I think the CIA will be as gutted as the EPA if Trump takes office. Abu Pepe Dec 2016 #2
You could be right MFM008 Dec 2016 #4
You underestimate the CIA. GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #5
You overestimate the CIA. They are great at their jobs but they serve at the pleasure of the stevenleser Dec 2016 #12
Trump isn't President at the moment. GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #13
That's correct, but Obama is and Trump will be. stevenleser Dec 2016 #17
I would say that we already have an interesting constitutional crisis on our hands. n/t GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #18
They might be our last hope! flamingdem Dec 2016 #21
Scary, ain't it? GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #23
and he just declared open war with the entire agency Abu Pepe Dec 2016 #26
which is insane Abu Pepe Dec 2016 #25
Sounds about right for those 2naSalit Dec 2016 #10
Didn't JFK make an enemy of the CIA? Calculating Dec 2016 #19
The CIA didn't kill JFK but they sure make a Trump reichstag fire excuse to take dictatorial powers Abu Pepe Dec 2016 #30
which is why I think no WMD were ever found in Iraq. Cheney and the OSP pissed off the career CIA KittyWampus Dec 2016 #34
yeah, the Bushies own that CIA fuckup. nt Abu Pepe Dec 2016 #38
He's not very bright, is he? GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #3
Like people named MFM008 Dec 2016 #6
God bless John F Kennedy. roamer65 Dec 2016 #15
I hope you are right however... tibbiit Dec 2016 #9
The FBI is not in Putin's pocket. GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #11
And we know that how? LisaL Dec 2016 #20
Yes. I have heard of him. GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #24
I agree. roamer65 Dec 2016 #16
And using Dick Cheney's lies to smear them. Not that the CIA is in anyway KittyWampus Dec 2016 #7
It's 32 days since the election. He's committed at least 3 disgraces per day. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2016 #8
It is a disgrace mcar Dec 2016 #14
It's horrifying. blue neen Dec 2016 #22
I mistrust the CIA RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #27
I believe them on this because: Abu Pepe Dec 2016 #31
And Manafort. And he was in Russia himself probably getting lured into bed with teen age girls KittyWampus Dec 2016 #35
Putin owns Trump Abu Pepe Dec 2016 #37
And a media sitting on the fence malaise Dec 2016 #28
pretty much. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #29
There has been too much of Russian connections in this election. Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #32
Is there any thinking person who still won't accept the fact that workinclasszero Dec 2016 #33
Hillary made exactly this point in the second debate. eom Tanuki Dec 2016 #36

Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
2. I think the CIA will be as gutted as the EPA if Trump takes office.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:24 AM
Dec 2016

I could see him giving the Russians the names of US agents as a fuck you to the CIA.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
12. You overestimate the CIA. They are great at their jobs but they serve at the pleasure of the
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:48 AM
Dec 2016

President as do all other parts of the national security apparatus.

GoCubsGo

(32,073 posts)
13. Trump isn't President at the moment.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 12:10 PM
Dec 2016

And, I don't see the CIA catering to a guy who is in bed with the Russians--if he makes it into office.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
17. That's correct, but Obama is and Trump will be.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 12:18 PM
Dec 2016

The CIA has no jurisdiction inside the country. The FBI would have to arrest Trump and then we would have an interesting Constitutional crisis on our hands.

GoCubsGo

(32,073 posts)
23. Scary, ain't it?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:30 PM
Dec 2016

And, yeah. I can only imagine how they feel about the election being stolen with the help of a former KGB agent.

Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
26. and he just declared open war with the entire agency
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:10 PM
Dec 2016

arguably all intel gathering agencies based on his broad brush.

Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
25. which is insane
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:09 PM
Dec 2016

but the United States as a (flawed as it might be) democratic republic may rest on patroitic professionals in many agencies.

Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
30. The CIA didn't kill JFK but they sure make a Trump reichstag fire excuse to take dictatorial powers
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:31 PM
Dec 2016

less doable.
He is being watched.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
34. which is why I think no WMD were ever found in Iraq. Cheney and the OSP pissed off the career CIA
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:49 PM
Dec 2016

and were watching.

GoCubsGo

(32,073 posts)
3. He's not very bright, is he?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:31 AM
Dec 2016

He and his merry band of miscreants are picking a fight with the CIA. I honestly don't think they are going to win that fight. They'll be lucky if they come out of it alive, IMHO.

tibbiit

(1,601 posts)
9. I hope you are right however...
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:34 AM
Dec 2016

We thought Cheney would go because of outing CIA agents and saying FU to the CIA.
THere are probably a big portion of the CIA that are in Putins pocket too. Just like the FBI.
tib

GoCubsGo

(32,073 posts)
11. The FBI is not in Putin's pocket.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:47 AM
Dec 2016

The New York branch, from where all the crap came, is in Guiliani's pocket. They were complicit, because they wanted to destroy Hillary on behalf of that, not because they support Putin.

As for the CIA, We're talking apples and oranges here. Yeah, Cheney outed one of their spooks, but he wasn't in bed with the Russians, or any other foreign government. I doubt they will tolerate this.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
20. And we know that how?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:24 PM
Dec 2016

Ever heard of Robert Hanssen? He worked in NY office.

"Hanssen received payments of $1.4 million in cash and diamonds from the information he gave the Soviet Union and Russia."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/25/us/robert-hanssen-fast-facts/

GoCubsGo

(32,073 posts)
24. Yes. I have heard of him.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 01:35 PM
Dec 2016

There's that pesky New York City office again... And, he did get caught, and is rotting in prison for the rest of his life. As I hope Mr. Trump, Mr. Comey, Mr. McConnell, and their co- conspirators will, as well.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,006 posts)
8. It's 32 days since the election. He's committed at least 3 disgraces per day.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:32 AM
Dec 2016

This could be one of the biggest.

For the most part, our so-called leaders, and the media, gives a big yawn.

It is beyond nauseating....infuriating. I can't find the appropriate words anymore, but I know what my mood is.

mcar

(42,278 posts)
14. It is a disgrace
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 12:15 PM
Dec 2016

Where are all those anti-Soviet republicans now? Too busy planning the destruction of the safety net to care.

 

RoccoR2

(90 posts)
27. I mistrust the CIA
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:12 PM
Dec 2016

Not going to change my view just because I want to believe them in this particular incident

Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
31. I believe them on this because:
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:36 PM
Dec 2016

Trump openly called on the Russians to hack HRCs email.

Trump has downplayed the Crimean invasion.

Trump has praised Putin.

Trump has implied that he won't enforce the NATO Charter.

Trump just appointed a SoS who is a buddy of Putin.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
35. And Manafort. And he was in Russia himself probably getting lured into bed with teen age girls
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:52 PM
Dec 2016

and coke.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
32. There has been too much of Russian connections in this election.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:42 PM
Dec 2016

Looking back it seems Putin wanted anyone but Hillary. Well, with the help of the EC and misplaced votes he got his wish.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
33. Is there any thinking person who still won't accept the fact that
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:44 PM
Dec 2016

Trump is a Russian puppet with Putin pulling his strings given the facts stated in the title of your post OP?

I mean what the hell else do you have to see America??

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