Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
95 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
It has to be asked: Could the Russians have hacked DU? (Original Post) KamaAina Dec 2016 OP
I doubt they've ever even heard of DU. cwydro Dec 2016 #1
We're one of the top hits for any political search. Qutzupalotl Dec 2016 #5
Oh, I think we were targeted. Most definitely. cwydro Dec 2016 #8
FWIW , I 100% agree about the foreign vibe of that video . , lunasun Dec 2016 #29
Russians are the most likely culprit Qutzupalotl Dec 2016 #34
And given those prior nationwide DDOS attacks... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #35
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #73
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #15
I agree. They came in and shut down a site that would have reported irregularities. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #59
We are malaise Dec 2016 #23
seriously? you must be kidding. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #44
For shits and giggles for breitbart Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #2
Think so! cilla4progress Dec 2016 #3
Two days before the election, I posted that Russians were probably monitoring DU Dream Girl Dec 2016 #4
I agree with that foreign vibe thing. cwydro Dec 2016 #6
They wouldn't know that, but they would know DU is populated by extremely, passionate and Dream Girl Dec 2016 #9
i think so too. mopinko Dec 2016 #22
because d_r Dec 2016 #31
THIS. n/t Qutzupalotl Dec 2016 #38
This is it. And we all were flabberasted that DU was not available for current-time LuckyLib Dec 2016 #79
because they wouldn't want there to be a gathering place for people to share stories of irregulariti TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #45
Because there were some already pointing out voting irregularities qanda Dec 2016 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #7
Not sure why that's funny. Did you see the hack? Probably not Dream Girl Dec 2016 #10
What made you decide to join DU, RoccoR2? Welcome -- but you have a lot to learn. Hekate Dec 2016 #13
DUH! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #20
Not funny! mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #25
Struck me funny out of naivete RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Raine1967 Dec 2016 #37
In a normal atmosphere I would not laugh at you for your thoughts but this time around with Alekzander Dec 2016 #57
I might have been one of the folks laughing and I apologize for that. Here are my thoughts... stevenleser Dec 2016 #75
Sure, via their useful tools in this country or the Macedonian teenagers. .... Hekate Dec 2016 #11
Free republic is currently down right now luxpara4 Dec 2016 #12
Did you just come from there? Dream Girl Dec 2016 #14
Yes, i'm a masochist. They've been down most of the day. luxpara4 Dec 2016 #17
FR periodically has to replace the hamsters when they age out of their duties in the wheel Hekate Dec 2016 #16
They are wondering on their facebook page if they were hacked. Ilsa Dec 2016 #30
Nah, just gearing up for the new griftothon over there. Luz Dec 2016 #33
Doesn't Billy Joe Jim Bobby Ricky have those 24/7/365 now? Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #40
They Probably Took It Down Themselves So As Not.... global1 Dec 2016 #64
I was just thinking the same ... and there was your post! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #18
vance-mz24 vance-mz24 Dec 2016 #19
welcome to DU! renate Dec 2016 #51
It wouldn't surprise me in the... Puha Ekapi_2 Dec 2016 #21
Motive? sarisataka Dec 2016 #24
People were talking about the Russian hack of the DNC and of Clinton's emails Warpy Dec 2016 #28
If you were an outside power sarisataka Dec 2016 #32
I wouldn't use the government Warpy Dec 2016 #36
We are useful for reporting voting irregularities before the polls close. Qutzupalotl Dec 2016 #39
True! UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #41
This. blue neen Dec 2016 #71
Do you have any example sarisataka Dec 2016 #87
We are a central repository of information. Qutzupalotl Dec 2016 #93
Point conceded sarisataka Dec 2016 #95
I'm sure they had lots of hands on deck assigned to different tasks...impeding communications being Dream Girl Dec 2016 #80
Were we the only liberal site hacked on election day? Initech Dec 2016 #27
Maybe "a" Russian Bradical79 Dec 2016 #42
It has to be asked: Why would they want to? brooklynite Dec 2016 #43
part of the Operation Chaos. Saw a tweet from Jester detailing robbedvoter Dec 2016 #50
The Russians are Coming shadowmayor Dec 2016 #46
Yes. Not a top government operative, but one of the many trolls robbedvoter Dec 2016 #47
They were all over the discussionist. applegrove Dec 2016 #48
Could: yes Did: Doubtful nt Gore1FL Dec 2016 #49
I asked via my Facebook comment from 11/8-still no answer. joanbarnes Dec 2016 #52
My hope-or 'fantasy' was that the DU cyber experts could unravel the joanbarnes Dec 2016 #54
There were plenty of pro-Russian trolls turning up ThoughtCriminal Dec 2016 #53
Yes,almost certainly because they knew we would be watching and on alert. libtodeath Dec 2016 #55
I bet they did flamingdem Dec 2016 #56
That video they gave us sure reminded me of old style Soviet Inspirational Songs. mulsh Dec 2016 #58
Nothing is too outrageous anymore oldtime dfl_er Dec 2016 #60
Did George Bush allow 9/11? Rex Dec 2016 #61
We sure had a lot of fake news links posted here in the lead up Generic Brad Dec 2016 #62
I seriously doubt that the folks at JPR are in cahoots with the Russians. KamaAina Dec 2016 #63
It was my immediate first thought upon seeing that gruesome video. byronius Dec 2016 #65
very likely AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #66
No. If the election was hacked, it wasn't by the same person or people who hacked DU. Towlie Dec 2016 #67
Why didn't they hack any other liberal websites? Daily Kos etc? Quixote1818 Dec 2016 #68
I think it was some gamergater/alt-right/kkk shitstain that got banned from DU. blogslut Dec 2016 #69
These were my thoughts after DU was down for more than a couple days: bleever Dec 2016 #70
Yes indeed. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #72
Thanks for this post. This is what I've been thinking, too. Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #81
Exactly my thoughts as well. Someone took DU down to blindfold us. tinrobot Dec 2016 #82
nyet... Demonaut Dec 2016 #74
i would not be surprised if russia did, but more possible by a trump cyber supporter wildman76 Dec 2016 #77
Did you see that creepy video? Dream Girl Dec 2016 #78
no i didnt see video wildman76 Dec 2016 #89
I was on DU when it went down, and appearing on the screen was a LuckyLib Dec 2016 #83
and there was some strange music too...I was kind of stunned. Dream Girl Dec 2016 #85
As my Ukrainian friend tels me Turbineguy Dec 2016 #84
Pre-election, c. 3.8 million Tweets were chatbots engaging. Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #94
OMG triron Dec 2016 #86
knr triron Dec 2016 #88
On election days DU is the best site for tracking voting irregularities/issues around the country krawhitham Dec 2016 #90
What has been the outcome of DU tracking voting irregularities? REP Dec 2016 #91
I wouldn't be surprised if they did LandrosT Dec 2016 #92

Qutzupalotl

(14,302 posts)
5. We're one of the top hits for any political search.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:05 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:06 PM - Edit history (1)

And we're a centralized meeting place for reporting voting irregularities during elections. This was the first time we've been hacked during a vote and the first time we've been out of commission for a week. Skinner said whoever did this knew what they were doing. I don't buy the casual troll theory.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
8. Oh, I think we were targeted. Most definitely.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:08 PM
Dec 2016

I just found it hard to believe it was the Russians.

However, as another poster pointed out - there was a funny kind of foreign vibe to that stupid pic that was put up.

Who knows?

Qutzupalotl

(14,302 posts)
34. Russians are the most likely culprit
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:05 PM
Dec 2016

since their financial resources to hire hackers run so deep, and they've hacked everything else: DNC, staffers' personal emails, maybe even the vote totals themselves. And Russia definitely benefited from the hack.

A sophisticated attack like this seems prohibitively risky for mere domestic partisan satisfaction, but more likely when you consider that the actors are foreign and beyond reach of our laws.

Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #5)

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
59. I agree. They came in and shut down a site that would have reported irregularities.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:06 PM
Dec 2016

I don't think it was a casual coincidence.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
2. For shits and giggles for breitbart
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:00 PM
Dec 2016

I can see that...
or...
even more nefariously....to start a database of insurgents.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
4. Two days before the election, I posted that Russians were probably monitoring DU
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:03 PM
Dec 2016

And got laughed out of the place. Someone even posted an old Boris and Natasha cartoon. I think they could have been involved. There was something oddly Eastern European about the message that they installed when the attack began. I can't remember what it was, but it definitely had a foreign vibe

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
6. I agree with that foreign vibe thing.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:05 PM
Dec 2016

I picked up on that too, but I just can't see what possible reason they would have to hack DU.

Especially on election night when every thread is practically a dupe of every other.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
9. They wouldn't know that, but they would know DU is populated by extremely, passionate and
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:09 PM
Dec 2016

Vigilant people who would be watching the returns closely and as a collective

d_r

(6,907 posts)
31. because
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:02 PM
Dec 2016

they didn't want people able to communicate and track the election tallies as they came in

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
79. This is it. And we all were flabberasted that DU was not available for current-time
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:31 PM
Dec 2016

streaming of election results -- a source outside of M$M. A coincidence? I think not.

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
45. because they wouldn't want there to be a gathering place for people to share stories of irregulariti
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:25 PM
Dec 2016

election "irregularities" until it was too late.

qanda

(10,422 posts)
76. Because there were some already pointing out voting irregularities
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:16 PM
Dec 2016

Something stinks to the high heavens about this election.

Response to Dream Girl (Reply #4)

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
10. Not sure why that's funny. Did you see the hack? Probably not
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:11 PM
Dec 2016

Looks like you may have just arrived in the past day or so..

Response to RoccoR2 (Reply #26)

 

Alekzander

(479 posts)
57. In a normal atmosphere I would not laugh at you for your thoughts but this time around with
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:59 PM
Dec 2016

Trump's kconnection to Russia & Putin & with his close association with Russians who had connection to Putin & are now on his staff along with the fact you have Bannon of Breitbart. It is nothing to be laughed at but a very relevant analysis & possibility.

That said, who knows & we will never probably know for sure who it was.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
75. I might have been one of the folks laughing and I apologize for that. Here are my thoughts...
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:12 PM
Dec 2016

I still think it very unlikely the Russians were behind the hack, but given everything that has come out now it's no longer a laughable assertion. I'm going to list a few facts, or strong suppositions, in support of and against the idea

In favor of the idea that Russians hacked us
1. DU has a history of hammering any information that suggests that an American election has been stolen or that there is an element of election fraud. If there is another site that does more of that and can put more eyeballs on any such allegations posted, I am not aware of it. That being the case, if someone was going to mess with our elections and wanted to prevent dissemination of information about election issues, this is one of the sites they would likely target.

2. The hacking was timed so that the site went down just before the results came in. Again, if this was the result of an actor that messed with our elections, this is exactly the time you would want it to happen.

3. The message itself
3a. As many noted, the syntax and other wording suggest a middle eastern writer.
3b. The message suggested the election of Trump was a fait accompli. Trump was definitely going to be elected, when the latest data up until that point suggested the opposite.

4. The hack seemed pretty sophisticated. I don't know the DU software but the website wasn't merely brought down. The attack was much more sophisticated and thorough than that. There was zero chance the website could be successfully brought up in time to have meaningful discussions about election irregularities before it was too late. This could point to a state actor.

Against the idea that the Russians hacked us
A. DU has been the center of negative attention for a number of groups and websites. Any one of them could have done this to hurt Skinner, EarlG, Elad and the membership during their busiest time.

A1. At least one of those websites themselves were hacked in the not too distant past and I saw some suggestions that they suspected someone connected with DU. This could have been revenge.

B. The timing again could have been just to hurt us at a time when DU was busy.

C. The hacking community has plenty of folks who are capable of sophisticated hacking. It wouldn't have to be a nation state or their security services.

D. Would the attack on DU be worth it for the security services of a nation state? Worst case scenario is someone found voting irregularities in real time, it was posted here as an OP and several hundred or thousand of us clicked on the sharing mechanisms to send it to Facebook and Twitter. Would that be enough to substantially increase the risk of discovery of any election issues? So much is being posted and tweeted on election night. It might not be enough.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
11. Sure, via their useful tools in this country or the Macedonian teenagers. ....
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:11 PM
Dec 2016

DU was very likely a practice session.

Not joking here.

luxpara4

(41 posts)
12. Free republic is currently down right now
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:12 PM
Dec 2016

Free republic is currently down right now, it seems to be odd timing…

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
16. FR periodically has to replace the hamsters when they age out of their duties in the wheel
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:17 PM
Dec 2016

Rumor has always been they have never had the wherewithal to upgrade, luxpara4.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
30. They are wondering on their facebook page if they were hacked.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:55 PM
Dec 2016

Good. Let them fret about the CIA or FBI attacking them as much as Liberals.

global1

(25,241 posts)
64. They Probably Took It Down Themselves So As Not....
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:34 PM
Dec 2016

to raise suspicion. It looks suspicious that DU went down on election night and was down for a week afterwards and nothing happened to FR.

Coincidence that it's down today with all this talk about Russian hacking of the Dems and the election.

vance-mz24

(1 post)
19. vance-mz24
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:30 PM
Dec 2016

Yes i certainly do. Everyone did not get it wrong with the polls. Back in 2008 Chinese were involved in our election.......I feel strongly that it just hasn't been officially released yet But yes yes yes RUSSIA was involved in our election.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
28. People were talking about the Russian hack of the DNC and of Clinton's emails
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:54 PM
Dec 2016

and how Wikileaks was played because that's where all the hacked material was dumped back in early October.

I think we did rattle somebody's cage, somebody who wanted this site offline around the election.

sarisataka

(18,600 posts)
32. If you were an outside power
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:02 PM
Dec 2016

Diddling the largest contested election in the world, how much time would you waste hacking a powerless debating group to take them down in the middle of said election?

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
36. I wouldn't use the government
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:07 PM
Dec 2016

but I can imagine government sponsored troll factories and other mischief makers taking the job on themselves.

Qutzupalotl

(14,302 posts)
39. We are useful for reporting voting irregularities before the polls close.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:12 PM
Dec 2016

This year, we couldn't.

We aren't powerless and we aren't unknown. Individually, maybe, but the site as a whole is influential, and our Google rankings bear that out.

sarisataka

(18,600 posts)
87. Do you have any example
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:04 PM
Dec 2016

Where DU caused any action to be taken at a polling location?
Did discussion here have a real time real world reaction?

Qutzupalotl

(14,302 posts)
93. We are a central repository of information.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:29 PM
Dec 2016

For instance, on election day Skinner often pins threads with phone numbers to call if you have problems voting.

I could cite many examples of calling attention to voting irregularities, but here is just one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025756762

DUers in the Election Reform forum have been sounding the alarm about how vulerable paperless electronic voting machines are since about 2003.

The strength of DU is that we discuss irregularities as they're happening from localities all across the country, and often alert the media — which makes us dangerous if you're a foreign power looking to manipulate.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
80. I'm sure they had lots of hands on deck assigned to different tasks...impeding communications being
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:33 PM
Dec 2016

only one. There were probably scores of hackers, probably very sophisticated and well organized and preparing for a very, very long time...not just a few guys.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
27. Were we the only liberal site hacked on election day?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 05:53 PM
Dec 2016

That's the question I want to know - were there other sites hacked? Could this have been part of a plot to silence the opposition on election day?

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
42. Maybe "a" Russian
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:21 PM
Dec 2016

I kind of doubt anyone with any authority would order the hack of this specific website, but I get the impression they have a lot of middlemen and volunteers with a green light to do whatever. We've had multiple Russian propagandists on this site before, so some random Russian hacker wouldn't be too crazy.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
43. It has to be asked: Why would they want to?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:22 PM
Dec 2016

This is a nice place to discuss politics, but it has no influence on the Government or the electoral process.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
50. part of the Operation Chaos. Saw a tweet from Jester detailing
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:40 PM
Dec 2016

the many things planned election day. Disrupting communications was a goal.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
46. The Russians are Coming
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:30 PM
Dec 2016

I remember a long time ago being told that whenever the powers that be wish to cover their own nefarious tracks, they blame it on the Russians. Lots of CIA and FBI and DIA BS crap thrown at the Ruskies to divert attention over the decades. Russians? Perhaps. FBI? Why not? American Right Wingers? Could be? Hope we find out some day!

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
47. Yes. Not a top government operative, but one of the many trolls
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:38 PM
Dec 2016

they unleashed on line. Many of us on twitter had accounts blocked/had to change passwords repeatedly. More important 🍊 opponents had a message from Gmail about hacking by forces allied with a government. For the rest of us, the ties were looser.

joanbarnes

(1,722 posts)
54. My hope-or 'fantasy' was that the DU cyber experts could unravel the
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:51 PM
Dec 2016

thread or smoking gun that would prove all this-Before anyone else was even talking about it.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
53. There were plenty of pro-Russian trolls turning up
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:48 PM
Dec 2016

I kept wondering what the deal was with that. Apparently DU did attract some attention.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
58. That video they gave us sure reminded me of old style Soviet Inspirational Songs.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:05 PM
Dec 2016

Sure the Russians could have hacked DU.

oldtime dfl_er

(6,931 posts)
60. Nothing is too outrageous anymore
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:14 PM
Dec 2016

Not sure why people are pooh -poohing this idea. There is power in our group, although we rarely use it in any constructive way. But there are plenty of Russian hackers, it's not like they would have spread themselves thin in order to hack us.

We cannot afford to laugh off any ideas right now, no matter how absurd they may appear.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
61. Did George Bush allow 9/11?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:21 PM
Dec 2016

Crazier things have been suggested. Was 2000 a coup between the GOP and the M$M? Was 2004?

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
62. We sure had a lot of fake news links posted here in the lead up
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:28 PM
Dec 2016

I noticed a lot of individuals who eventually migrated to JPR had posted a lot of garbage news stories prior to their departure. Then when called on their bullshit the universal response was to say the OP forgot to post a sarcasm tag.

They were here and they were quite busy disrupting things and pitting against each other in the run up to the election.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
66. very likely
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:49 PM
Dec 2016

I think it is very likely that DU was hacked by russian hackers. Is there any doubt they are very aware off all political websites, we are talking about massive cyber operation to bring down liberal democracies worldwide by Russia. France is the next most important test where Russia is financing Le Pen's campaign. It's gonna be a battle in the months to come.

Is there any way DU can enlist support of intelligence services to find out who did that?

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
67. No. If the election was hacked, it wasn't by the same person or people who hacked DU.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:49 PM
Dec 2016

Hacking the election would have required a very sophisticated person or team with considerable technical and political knowledge, plus a clearly defined goal and strong motivation. They would have to have known what they were doing, including how to cover their tracks, and their goal would have been to anonymously bring about a profound and history-changing result. Hacking DU was little more than a prank, and for such people to bother with that would only add unnecessary and pointless risk.

Quixote1818

(28,928 posts)
68. Why didn't they hack any other liberal websites? Daily Kos etc?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:55 PM
Dec 2016

I think it was a Freeper type who just wanted to be an ass-hole. The Russian Gov. has bigger fish to fry.

blogslut

(37,999 posts)
69. I think it was some gamergater/alt-right/kkk shitstain that got banned from DU.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:21 PM
Dec 2016

Read the FB comments on DU's Facebook post, announcing the hack. The ones rejoicing are vile.

bleever

(20,616 posts)
70. These were my thoughts after DU was down for more than a couple days:
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:29 PM
Dec 2016

Submitted while DU was still down, but posting members' submissions:



Why DU?

We know the Feds suspect Russian hacking into the election systems of Florida, Illinois, and a number of other states. http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/florida-election-hack/ ;

If the state systems are vulnerable, the county election boards aren't going to be any more secure.

We also know that small changes in key counties can make a huge difference, even to the point of getting someone "elected" by finessing the Electoral College while losing the popular vote and defying all the polls (which are, let's face it, much more scientific and thorough than the tabulation of votes).

Back on election night of 2004, like last Tuesday night, a lot of people found themselves watching the totals roll in and felt they defied logic, just as everyone, including the candidate himself, is surprised at the miraculous outcome of the vote tallies this year.

That evening in November 2004, and continuing into the following weeks and months, DU became one of the key places on the internet where people assembled and raised and documented the statistical impossibilities that the election of Bush posed. At DailyKos, you could get banned for talking about fraud (instead of discussing why Democrats were losers).

DU's Election Results and Discussion Forum 2004 became an ongoing and evolving meeting place for citizens and leading academics to discuss whether the election had been hijacked. I would argue that it was a key factor in getting the conversation of the electronic theft of the 2004 election to go national (and beyond).


Back in 2004, DUer "Botany" worked long hours at the polls in Ohio, that critical, pivotal, essential state, and witnessed it being stolen with his own eyes. While DU (meaning the admins) didn't take any position on the question of election fraud, it gave him a place to share his experience so that it was able to ripple out and join with and amplify other voices from all across the country and become a national conversation.

Here in 2016, if you've read Botany's email on this page, you know he had an even more definitive experience this election.

Stifling dissent is a basic tool of guys like Putin. If someone were to try to pull this off, shutting down online discussion would be one of the first things on the to-do list. You'd want to make sure random citizens like this Botany guy wouldn't gather in the streets or on the internet and share their stories.

This is why I think DU was hit by something sophisticated enough to disable it for a number of days, and not just by some rude, punkish hack.



Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
72. Yes indeed.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:44 PM
Dec 2016

Our "collective." First time I've heard DU referenced that way. But... yes, that would be what I'd say as to why.

Silver Gaia

(4,542 posts)
81. Thanks for this post. This is what I've been thinking, too.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:33 PM
Dec 2016

I remember 2004, especially Ohio, and being on DU following threads here and watching at the Ohio SoS site as results were tabulated. I will never forget that. I didn't say much, but I was watching, too. Our outcry against this was loud and clear, and the work done by many here in the aftermath was IMPORTANT. I think we were silenced this year because of that. Someone wanted to stifle the ability of the bright minds here at DU to come together to QUESTION what was done to America on election night and the immediate aftermath.

tinrobot

(10,895 posts)
82. Exactly my thoughts as well. Someone took DU down to blindfold us.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:33 PM
Dec 2016

We would have been the ones sounding the alarm on a fraudulent election..

The perpetrators disrupted our means of communication.

wildman76

(292 posts)
77. i would not be surprised if russia did, but more possible by a trump cyber supporter
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:19 PM
Dec 2016

I am sure they were trying to data mine the site for information on membership etc.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
83. I was on DU when it went down, and appearing on the screen was a
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:35 PM
Dec 2016

very bizarre piece of a video that had a limo window lowering, dRumpf holding a weapon, and the caption was something like "Get out of here, you faggot!" I was so startled I couldn't figure out what was going on. I immediately posted something on the questions for admin page, and then everything went blank.

Very strange.

Aimee in OKC

(158 posts)
94. Pre-election, c. 3.8 million Tweets were chatbots engaging.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:29 AM
Dec 2016

{Posted elsewhere but fits well here, too}

THE AGE OF CHATBOTS IS UPON US

Chatbots are software agents that engage in conversations with humans and may even take physical actions. < CLIP > According to the University of Southern California (USC) study, the 2016 US Presidential election has been influenced by chatbots interacting with social media, also called social bots.

The study concluded that 19% of the 20 million Tweets in a five week period just prior to the election were created by social bots.

In 1950, Alan Turing, considered one of the fathers of Artificial Intelligence (AI), proposed the “Turing Test” to quantify machine “thinking.” For a computer to pass the test, it must only dupe 30 percent of the people who chat with it for five minutes.

At the 2014 Turing Test competition, for the first time Russian chatbot impersonating a 13-year old passed the Turing Test by duping 33% of its interrogators.

http://techseen.com/2016/11/08/age-chatbots/

* * * * * * *

So, Oct. - Nov. = 3,800,000 Tweets by chatbots.

A Russian chatbot actually passed the Turing Test in 2014.

And we know, officially, Russia interfered with our election.

The KGB (of whom Putin was one) were masters of deception, misdirection, and sowing of dissent among allies. "Divide and conquer" has been a valid strategy since before the Romans used it.

krawhitham

(4,643 posts)
90. On election days DU is the best site for tracking voting irregularities/issues around the country
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:51 PM
Dec 2016

It would have been wise for Russians to cut off that flow of information if they were stealing the election

REP

(21,691 posts)
91. What has been the outcome of DU tracking voting irregularities?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:09 PM
Dec 2016

Has there been one investigation that was a direct result of reports from DU? I don't think there has.

I think it's important to DU, but since usually only Star members can get in Election night, I don't think it makes any difference to anyone else

 

LandrosT

(50 posts)
92. I wouldn't be surprised if they did
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:13 PM
Dec 2016

After all, they were responsible for the DNC leaks, and they have a vested interest in getting Trump elected.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»It has to be asked: Could...