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Everyone needs to calm down. The Russian hack story will go away within the next 48 hours. (Original Post) Yavin4 Dec 2016 OP
Thanx. That makes me really calm. marybourg Dec 2016 #1
lol Cha Dec 2016 #8
That's it... wcmagumba Dec 2016 #2
And To Think That The Repugs Were Going To Paint Bernie With The Socialist Moniker.... global1 Dec 2016 #3
That, of course, is the essential problem with Republican voters. The truth doesn't Nay Dec 2016 #18
Russia hasn't been socialist for 25 years BainsBane Dec 2016 #26
Most Uninformed People Associate Socialist With Communist.... global1 Dec 2016 #33
Bernie calls himself a socialist BainsBane Dec 2016 #34
It's time for the blue one again Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #4
Fnord Fnord Fnord 0rganism Dec 2016 #5
Never Whistle While You're Pissing Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #7
My advice? Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2016 #11
Trust not a man who's rich in flax Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #13
Accurate communication is possible only in a non-punishing situation. n/t Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2016 #35
Totally. And those at the top of authoritarian structures by default end up operating on bad data Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #37
Longtime fan of RAW. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2016 #38
Yeah, maybe Anthony Weiner's dick will get sighted again, or Kim Kardashian will take a butt selfie Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #6
lol.. gawd I know I shouldn't laugh but Cha Dec 2016 #9
I hear it. You know, the old Chinese curse- Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #12
Diversion from Groper Don the Con malaise Dec 2016 #16
Really??!?!!! You honestly don't think more stuff is going to come out? AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #10
right, it's all spilt milk under the bridge. time to move foward and stand shoulder to shoulder w/ KG Dec 2016 #14
Defeatism defeatism defeatism. If you think like that you will never win. RBInMaine Dec 2016 #15
Right about this incident but it will add to an eventual tipping point resulting in public outrage! FreeStateDemocrat Dec 2016 #17
I would generally agree but with some Republicans speaking out now I wonder nini Dec 2016 #19
Well, Yavin, that's up to the CIA... Barack_America Dec 2016 #20
Yeah, well if we wanted accountability Solly Mack Dec 2016 #21
Wrong. TrekLuver Dec 2016 #22
The CIA isn't going to let this one go away. roamer65 Dec 2016 #23
I think you are right. It's sickening how the republicans are never held accountable. Autumn Dec 2016 #24
Isn't it funny how the focus all year on HRC was "ooh, vague intimations of conflict of interest!" Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #39
It was a Friday night news dump. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #25
"mistletoe in a room full of celibates" LOL rzemanfl Dec 2016 #27
You gotta wonder though... rusty fender Dec 2016 #28
Teflon Don kimbutgar Dec 2016 #30
Yup rusty fender Dec 2016 #32
I just spoke to my son's piano teacher who works multiple jobs to survive kimbutgar Dec 2016 #29
It is actually a larger issue than just the CIA report. An alledged president elect of the still_one Dec 2016 #31
A healthy dose of cynicism is appropriate Dem2 Dec 2016 #36

global1

(25,225 posts)
3. And To Think That The Repugs Were Going To Paint Bernie With The Socialist Moniker....
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:15 AM
Dec 2016

when they as a Party and the president-elect of their Party - kowtow to the Russians.

What I find interesting is that the Trump supporters would have made mincemeat out of Bernie for being a socialist and yet they tolerate the compelling evidence that Trump is a Putin stooge or a useful idiot.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
18. That, of course, is the essential problem with Republican voters. The truth doesn't
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:53 PM
Dec 2016

matter. The only way to wake them up is for a totally RW administration like Trump's to literally enslave and/or starve them -- then, just maybe, they'll figure it out. For a generation, maybe.

global1

(25,225 posts)
33. Most Uninformed People Associate Socialist With Communist....
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:49 PM
Dec 2016

Those same uninformed people would have thought Bernie was a Communist.

Many of those same people still associate Russia with being Communist.

It's just a word association game and the Repugs are good at that kind of association labeling.

My gut is that Bernie could have weathered the socialist moniker that they would have tried to label him and discredit him with and would have turned it around on Trump because of his affiliations and love of Putin and Russia.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
34. Bernie calls himself a socialist
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:56 PM
Dec 2016

Quite ununecessarily so, in my opinion. His self-identification as socialist is different from the fact that the USSR collapsed 25 years ago.

And as someone who has read a fair bit of Marxist theory and history, I have yet to see a clear definition distinguishing socialism from communism. Members of Communist parties often refer to themselves as socialists.

What might have happened in an alternate reality, however, can't be known since he never got enough votes to make it to a general election.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
37. Totally. And those at the top of authoritarian structures by default end up operating on bad data
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:14 AM
Dec 2016

because they can't get accurate information from subordinates. The SNAFU principle, I think, right?

RAW did a lot for my thinking. Very influential.

Don't know if you've ever seen Maybe Logic, if not it's worth a watch if you ever have time:


 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
38. Longtime fan of RAW.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:18 AM
Dec 2016

Illuminatus and Schrodinger's Cat trilogies changed my life.

I have seen Maybe Logic, but thanks for sharing. Maybe someone else will see it and come to understand OM.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. Yeah, maybe Anthony Weiner's dick will get sighted again, or Kim Kardashian will take a butt selfie
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:24 AM
Dec 2016

more important news will clearly take precedence.

Cha

(296,854 posts)
9. lol.. gawd I know I shouldn't laugh but
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:27 AM
Dec 2016

wth.. there aren't too many reasons these days.

The m$m is as complicit as putin and the Russian hackers.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. I hear it. You know, the old Chinese curse-
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 07:22 AM
Dec 2016

"may you live in interesting times"

...sure seems to apply, unfortunately.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
10. Really??!?!!! You honestly don't think more stuff is going to come out?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:27 AM
Dec 2016

Just because we don't know everything going on doesn't mean it has gone away.

We haven't even started yet....

KG

(28,751 posts)
14. right, it's all spilt milk under the bridge. time to move foward and stand shoulder to shoulder w/
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 07:47 AM
Dec 2016

der trumpfenfurher!

 

FreeStateDemocrat

(2,654 posts)
17. Right about this incident but it will add to an eventual tipping point resulting in public outrage!
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 08:34 AM
Dec 2016

With the attention span and critical thinking skills of a majority of the electorate coupled with asswipes flair for showmanship and cover from a puke congress, it will take a long time to happen and the real damage will have already been done.

We're doomed!!!

nini

(16,672 posts)
19. I would generally agree but with some Republicans speaking out now I wonder
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:56 PM
Dec 2016

I see some of them positioning themselves to use this to become party leadership and 'save' democracy.

The GOP are the ones who are going to keep it going.

Autumn

(44,982 posts)
24. I think you are right. It's sickening how the republicans are never held accountable.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 01:43 PM
Dec 2016

Trump will have a free pass by the House the Senate and the media.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
39. Isn't it funny how the focus all year on HRC was "ooh, vague intimations of conflict of interest!"
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 03:57 AM
Dec 2016

"Can't have that! Can't have even a whiff of a conflict of interest for someone with a well-connected highly placed gov't position!"


Now it's, like, "Conflict of interest? Pshaaaaaaaaw"

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
25. It was a Friday night news dump.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 01:52 PM
Dec 2016

If something doesn't happen to give it a reason to grow legs, it probably will just linger in the air like mistletoe in a room full of celibates.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
28. You gotta wonder though...
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:10 PM
Dec 2016

what, if anything, will bring the Puppet-in Chief down? I thought that pussygrabbygate was the final nail in his coffin, but obviously I was wrong

kimbutgar

(21,056 posts)
29. I just spoke to my son's piano teacher who works multiple jobs to survive
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:15 PM
Dec 2016

I asked him if he heard of russsian interference in the election. Never heard of it and because I pointed it out he's going to read about it. So it is just not on the radar for non politicial junkies. Watched my local news last night the only mention was of orange hitler denying it and then they moved on. You're right big yawn, no outrage, nothing to see here , move on. Typicial media attitude.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
31. It is actually a larger issue than just the CIA report. An alledged president elect of the
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:23 PM
Dec 2016

United States refuses to attend security briefings. Delegates it to his VP. Publicly trashes our intelligence gathering agency, without even reading the data himself, and proceeds to make false accusations about the CIA regarding the WMDs in Iraq, when it was the Defense Intelligence Agency, DIA, not the CIA which said there were WMDs in Iraq, along with others in the bush administration.

Michael Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor, should send warning alarms all over the the place. He has very questionable ties to Putin, and celebrated Putin's propaganda network, Russia Today:


"a rugged-looking man in a tuxedo who less than 18 months earlier had been head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s powerful in-house equivalent of the CIA. Michael Flynn, now a private citizen after a reportedly disgruntled retirement, was not there to gather intelligence. His attendance at the RT gala, before which he also gave a talk on world affairs, appeared to inaugurate a relationship with the network—presumably a paid one, though neither Flynn nor RT answered queries on the subject. Flynn now makes semi-regular appearances on RT as an analyst, in which he often argues that the U.S. and Russia should be working more closely together on issues like fighting ISIL and ending Syria’s civil war. “Russia has its own national security strategy, and we have to respect that,” he said in one recent appearance. “And we have to try to figure out: How do we combine the United States’ national security strategy along with Russia’s national security strategy, despite all the challenges that we face?”

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
36. A healthy dose of cynicism is appropriate
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:52 PM
Dec 2016

Hope for the best, but little reason to be optimistic at this time.

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