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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 07:54 AM Dec 2016

"What I saw at the Michigan recount"

https://medium.com/nick_sharp/what-i-saw-at-the-michigan-recount-7c46fdc87243#.l56g8zatz

On December 7, 2016, I volunteered as an observer with Recount Michigan 2016. I showed up at 9:00am sharp in the heart of Detroit, in heavily democratic Wayne County, Michigan.

It was a bloodbath.

I did not count a single vote during my entire first four-hour shift.

Trump’s legal team was there in force, circling the room like sharks. They were challenging everything, gumming up the works and disqualifying whole precincts. I was only aware of a single Green Party attorney plus one law student in my (large) room. Many challenges had one or more Trump lawyers speaking with election officials, and no legal advocate present for the other side; they were simply outnumbered and outgunned.

Every recount table had 1–2 Trump observers present, each one holding written scripts to challenge every single precinct, regardless of the facts.

(Note: I am not a lawyer, the next two paragraphs are my understanding based on what I observed on site.)
When a precinct is challenged, everything is recorded in writing by the election officials present. If the challenge is obviously true, the precinct in question is deemed un-recountable, right there. The civic employees write a report, return everything to the box, seal the box, and move on to the next precinct, then the process of recording and unsealing a box begins again.

But, even if the challenge is clearly contrived, it still has to be recorded, on the spot. The civic employees must fill out a form, in longhand, and write up a report―also in longhand — before they can get back to work counting ballots.
I sat at my table for a full hour before our first box was even unsealed.

Around the time our first box was finally getting unsealed, an exasperated election official shouted an announcement to the room. It was a large room and there were many people in it — he would have needed to shout anyway — but his frustration was clear. He had the air of a normally calm civic bureaucrat trying to do his job and get the votes counted on time, but who had been pushed to the breaking point by Trump’s lawyers and their delay tactics.

The election official announced that Trump’s head lawyer had just filed a blanket challenge in Lansing. So, (here, I’m paraphrasing from memory) “All precincts have already been challenged. You don’t have to read your scripts anymore, we’re not writing down the challenges. If you still want to read them, go ahead and read them.” (Shouting louder) “But we’re not writing them down any more. If you tell us to write them down,” (He raised his arms) “We’re not gonna do it!”

Trump observers kept reading their challenges, and civic employees kept counting ballots, trying to concentrate on the count. A miscount of one in a thousand could (and did!) disqualify entire precincts from the recount. Thousands of votes and hours of counting were disqualified if one ballot in a thousand was missed amid the chaos in the room.

Why did Detroit and Wayne County — the bluest county in Michigan — have so many Republican lawyers present?
Where did all these Republican lawyers come from? They looked like they walked in straight out of a Brooks Brothers catalog, but they were not there to have a good time.

I can only speak from my own experience, but I wonder — were there similar swarms of Republican lawyers in the red counties, challenging everything?
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"What I saw at the Michigan recount" (Original Post) ehrnst Dec 2016 OP
Wow TheHak Dec 2016 #1
Appreciate the efforts of those there as volunteers for Recount Michigan 2016. Unfortunately, still_one Dec 2016 #2
Civil Rights Bear Creek Dec 2016 #3
Were the vote counts of those districts such a foregone conclusion? Was this NOT harassment? Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #4
Amazing. The Republicans are nothing but bullies. YOHABLO Dec 2016 #5
Trying to figure out how to get along and not upset the apple cart. tecelote Dec 2016 #13
Brooks Brothers riot on steroids. Hugin Dec 2016 #6
Related headline: Ronna McDaniel Romney expected to be Trump's pick to run RNC Barack_America Dec 2016 #7
Why didn't Jill Stein use the millions she got from Democrats to pay some lawyers? oberliner Dec 2016 #8
Where were the rest of the Democratic party on this? Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #10
They saw not enough evidence of fraud to warrant a recount oberliner Dec 2016 #12
Imagine that...Yet the GOP came armed with enough attorneys to guarantee a miscount. Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #16
Why did the Green Party only have one lawyer present? oberliner Dec 2016 #17
Good question Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #18
WI and MI alone required 4.5 million in recount fees. progressoid Dec 2016 #24
States kept upping the costs. But you'd think good Dem attys would go pro bono. George Eliot Dec 2016 #27
She raised over 7 mllion dollars oberliner Dec 2016 #33
Trump's people were ready for this ... almost sounds as if they rehearsed Auggie Dec 2016 #9
Their first rehearsal was Florida 2K. Same scenario. Dems should have learned. George Eliot Dec 2016 #28
Jesus Christ I had no idea the recounts were going down like this . My my what $$$ can buy lunasun Dec 2016 #11
Our grand experiment with a 'Democratic Republic' is over. Stonepounder Dec 2016 #14
Yes. It's over. I totally agree and I don't hate Trump. But the R of Law is over. George Eliot Dec 2016 #30
And people wonder... gregcrawford Dec 2016 #15
Same here, man. roamer65 Dec 2016 #21
Oh, worse than that... gregcrawford Dec 2016 #35
One of the reasons we lost was emotion. Dems need machiavellian intelligence. George Eliot Dec 2016 #31
Couldn't agree more... gregcrawford Dec 2016 #36
HRC stolen election just like Gore. sarcasmo Dec 2016 #19
You would think there is a law that prohibits a team of lawyers to descend on a precinct like that AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #20
Exactly. Generally these people have to file for prior approval. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #23
Sounds like they were strategically picking their precincts. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #22
If enough citizens show up to give something like this a shot ... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #25
Same Florida 2K. Republican obstructionists everywhere. Democracy-where art thou? George Eliot Dec 2016 #26
Michigan 2016 Florida 2000. elleng Dec 2016 #29
This truly is echoing fascist tactics. Kablooie Dec 2016 #32
ehrnst -- Commenters at DKos have seen this thread... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #34
Michigan to audit 'significant mismatches' in Detroit vote inanna Dec 2016 #37
 

TheHak

(71 posts)
1. Wow
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 08:00 AM
Dec 2016

Not surprising but unbeleivable how rigged the system can be. Thats trump genius: calling for election fraud and saying he wouldnt accept the results: he knew democrats would defend the contrary therby making it impossible for them to claim anything after.



still_one

(92,120 posts)
2. Appreciate the efforts of those there as volunteers for Recount Michigan 2016. Unfortunately,
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 08:02 AM
Dec 2016

it is now a moot point


Ford_Prefect

(7,878 posts)
4. Were the vote counts of those districts such a foregone conclusion? Was this NOT harassment?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 08:55 AM
Dec 2016

Where were the representatives from the Democratic Party? From HRC, Michigan Democratic Party, ACLU, NAACP, Green Party or anyone else concerned? Were they locked out by the Michigan GOP, or Trump's people?

Why is this NOT evidence of interference in the vote rising to a need for an audit or independent recount?

If the GOP can specifically question and challenge every vote in a district and precinct does that NOT violate the federally protected rights of EVERY voter? Where the heck were the DOJ, FBI and the Civil Rights Commission? How was that NOT a conspiracy to deny the vote to the citizens of Detroit and Wayne Counties just as Crosscheck was.

...And to add insult to injury this is yet one more reason that Citizens United has to be overturned: imagine the money spent to recruit, organize and pay for all those lawyers. I don't believe for one minute that they were volunteers. How did they identify which ballots to protest?

The final question I have is why didn't the people in charge insist on respect for the process and the people conducting it, as they have a right and a duty to do? If the Green Party, or the Democrats had sent a group of Black and Latino lawyers to do the same thing in a majority white GOP suburban district can you imagine what the response would be?

It seems very clear that this was intended to derail the count in order to disable the results: either to void the vote totals or to keep them from correcting the count as originally reported. Fascism and Racism have struck and they will again, and again , and again.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
7. Related headline: Ronna McDaniel Romney expected to be Trump's pick to run RNC
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:18 AM
Dec 2016

Ronna McDaniel Romney expected to be Trump's pick to run RNC
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/09/ronna-mcdaniel-romney-expected-to-be-trumps-pick-to-run-rnc.html

I noticed she seemed to be present at every hearing according to the articles. Guess Trump was appreciative of her efforts to kill democracy in Michigan. Now she'll get the chance to take her efforts nationwide.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. Why didn't Jill Stein use the millions she got from Democrats to pay some lawyers?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:19 AM
Dec 2016

"I was only aware of a single Green Party attorney plus one law student in my (large) room."

Ford_Prefect

(7,878 posts)
10. Where were the rest of the Democratic party on this?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:26 AM
Dec 2016

Why did they not protect the ballots of Detroit and Wayne county Democratic voters from this obvious harassment?

If the same GOP lawyers had been at the polls on the day objecting to individual people as they voted in the same ways as they have protested the ballots they cast would that NOT be considered interference in the right to vote?

The DOJ and the President NEED to answer this attack on Democracy and Civil Rights.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. Why did the Green Party only have one lawyer present?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 10:41 AM
Dec 2016

Jill claimed that millions of dollars were going to be spent on legal fees.

I'd love to see an accounting of that spending.

progressoid

(49,969 posts)
24. WI and MI alone required 4.5 million in recount fees.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:41 PM
Dec 2016

Plus the court battles in PA.

That doesn't leave much left over to send an army of attorneys to each county in the state.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
33. She raised over 7 mllion dollars
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:40 PM
Dec 2016

And claimed that several million would be spent on lawyers.

I would love to see an accounting of exactly how the money was spent.

I wonder if that will be made public.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
14. Our grand experiment with a 'Democratic Republic' is over.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:58 AM
Dec 2016

The GOP is complicit with destroying the USA and turning it into an oligarchy of the rich by the rich and for the rich.

Well, it was nice while it lasted.

George Eliot

(701 posts)
30. Yes. It's over. I totally agree and I don't hate Trump. But the R of Law is over.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:21 PM
Dec 2016

And it was the rule of law that made us special.

George Eliot

(701 posts)
31. One of the reasons we lost was emotion. Dems need machiavellian intelligence.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:23 PM
Dec 2016

The Republicans have it. Too much love and not enough analysis. Even Bill knew but no one listened. Moore knew but no one listened. Some of us could see it but my friends were too in love to see it. As a far left progressive, I think it is tragic.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
36. Couldn't agree more...
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 06:39 PM
Dec 2016

... some of the more fragile flowers of the left clutch their pearls and tsk-tsk at the thought of going toe-to-toe with Republican thugs. Sorry, sweeties, but a rousing chorus of "Kumbaya" ain't gonna git 'er done. When they punch, we punch harder... and lower. Though it's a delicate balance to not sink to their level, they won't observe Marquis of Queensbury rules, so neither should we.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
20. You would think there is a law that prohibits a team of lawyers to descend on a precinct like that
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:12 PM
Dec 2016

And Overwhelm the election official. That is harassment and election tampering.

Baitball Blogger

(46,699 posts)
22. Sounds like they were strategically picking their precincts.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:56 PM
Dec 2016

Next question: Is Wayne County part of the recount?

Aimee in OKC

(158 posts)
25. If enough citizens show up to give something like this a shot ...
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:06 PM
Dec 2016

Given the problems with the formal statewide recount, still, individual citizens with standing might possibly be able to demand to independently view ballot images.

At least Trump lawyers are unlikely to be standing by to block, but if nobody tries we'll never know if it could've worked.

If nothing else it's another way of registering deep dissatisfaction.

* * * * * * *
As Optical Scan machines read a ballot, they capture an anonymous image of it and retain it in memory.

Take notarized FOIA requests to the appropriate election officials demanding copies of the images, emphasizing that access to the ballots is not sought. Take at least two brand-new, still-wrapped, easily-identified flash drives to download the files (and have them sign off they did the unwrapping in front of you ). The response could be simple dragging it out, but more likely outright denial, which you should make them explain in writing.

If successful, count the images' votes & place into a spreadsheet for tracking.

* * * * *
Because of documented SECURITY CONCERNS for the ES&S M100

SECURITY SEALS = Ideally, the M100’s exposed ports, memory card access areas, ballot box doors and case seams would be covered with tamper-evident security seals. The integrity of these seals should be maintained at all times, and only breached under controlled, explained circumstances. Seals should be logged to maintain chain of custody of sensitive materials.

COUNTERFEIT BALLOTS = It is fairly easy to frustrate the counterfeit ballot detection mechanism on the M100. ***People who produce counterfeit ballots could cast multiple votes and the detectability of these ballots would only depend on how close they appeared to be like the real ballot cards.***

MEMORY CARD IS SENSITIVE = Corrupt memory cards may be able introduce viruses, cause the main election server to crash and falsify votes. Access to the memory card should be controlled, monitored and logged at all times.

KEYS = The keys for the M100 are the same for all M100 machines and are easily pickable with readily available tools. Care should be observed around the ballot box lock and the scanner key lock (turns the system off and on).

CORRECT INKS = Some Optical Scan systems have trouble reading red inks or inks with red in them. Voters should use the writing instrument provided at the polling place or, if voting at home, black ballpoint pen that does not bleed through paper.

https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/

George Eliot

(701 posts)
26. Same Florida 2K. Republican obstructionists everywhere. Democracy-where art thou?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:15 PM
Dec 2016

Vote counting should be fairly simple.

Kablooie

(18,625 posts)
32. This truly is echoing fascist tactics.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:30 PM
Dec 2016

Trump's machine has the upper hand in every area and no one is strong or bold enough to counter him.

We are acting like Great Britain before WWII.
We see terrible things happening but no one the will to do anything drastic and dangerous to stop them.

Aimee in OKC

(158 posts)
34. ehrnst -- Commenters at DKos have seen this thread...
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 08:55 PM
Dec 2016

And one has asked that a DKos diary be made of it -- they think this post is that important.

inanna

(3,547 posts)
37. Michigan to audit 'significant mismatches' in Detroit vote
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:50 PM
Dec 2016

December 12, 2016

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan's elections bureau ordered an investigation Monday into substantial ballot discrepancies in a small portion of Detroit's voting precincts, after the discovery of a polling place where 300 people voted but only 50 ballots were properly sealed in a container.

Since learning of the issue last week during Michigan's presidential recount, state officials have learned of similar "significant mismatches" problems at roughly 20 of Detroit's 490 precincts, said Fred Woodhams, a spokesman for Republican Secretary of State Ruth Johnson. He said there is no reason to think votes were not counted and the differences would not have affected Republican Donald Trump's narrow victory over Democrat Hillary Clinton in the state.

Clinton won 95 percent of Detroit's vote.

Detroit elections officials told the state that in the one precinct, the 250 missing ballots were left in the tabulator bin, "but we want to verify this," Woodhams said. It was not immediately clear what caused the inconsistencies in other precincts.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-audit-significant-mismatches-detroit-vote-220357371--election.html

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