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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:41 AM Dec 2016

Obama is still in power for more than a month, right?

So why isn't he voraciously defending the nation from this attack on the Executive Branch from the Russians?

He should be locking people up and threatening others while launching a counter offensive against the Russian hackers and backers.

Defend the Democracy dammit!

Don't sit back and allow someone who is antithetical to everything that Obama stood for to steal the Office.

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Obama is still in power for more than a month, right? (Original Post) NightWatcher Dec 2016 OP
What makes you think he is not working on this? MineralMan Dec 2016 #1
Is he going to do anything to prevent trump from taking office? NightWatcher Dec 2016 #2
What do you suggest? Crepuscular Dec 2016 #4
There's nothing he can do to prevent this. Kotya Dec 2016 #5
There is really nothing in his power that would let him do that. MineralMan Dec 2016 #6
Oh well, the Russians stole the election, let's just lay down and give it to them. NightWatcher Dec 2016 #10
Too many here think we are or want us to be. libtodeath Dec 2016 #11
Not at all. None of us are doing that. MineralMan Dec 2016 #13
Him not saying anything when he learned of it makes me think he is not 'working' on it aikoaiko Dec 2016 #14
I have no information about what President Obama is doing or thinking. MineralMan Dec 2016 #17
He is doing something Crepuscular Dec 2016 #3
To be followed by a sternly worded letter, no doubt. chimpymustgo Dec 2016 #9
No Crepuscular Dec 2016 #12
And might appear to be partisan Dream Girl Dec 2016 #19
The timeline indicates ? RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #7
Time to take a stand for America Achilleaze Dec 2016 #8
I believe Obama and family have been threatened. maveric Dec 2016 #15
Obama orders review of Russian election-related hacking oberliner Dec 2016 #16
Lock people up? suspend due process? Are you joking? bettyellen Dec 2016 #18
Sounds like tRumps way of doing things. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2016 #20
I'm seeing tons of anti-obama authoritarian crap here, smells like JPR crap bettyellen Dec 2016 #21

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
1. What makes you think he is not working on this?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:46 AM
Dec 2016

However, the President does not have any power to "lock people up." He simply doesn't. What he is doing is not being broadcast or being said in news conferences. That would be foolish of him to do.

You can expect, however, to hear from him pretty soon about all of this.

Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
4. What do you suggest?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:50 AM
Dec 2016

What power does the President have that would allow him to prevent his successor from taking office?

 

Kotya

(235 posts)
5. There's nothing he can do to prevent this.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:51 AM
Dec 2016

I suppose he could stand in front of the White House front door with his arms stretched out refusing to hand over the keys but this would look kinda childish and silly.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
6. There is really nothing in his power that would let him do that.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:55 AM
Dec 2016

The powers of the President are defined in the Constitution. Negating a presidential election is one of his powers. Not in any way. I really recommend that you reread that document if you have not done so recently.

Presidents are specifically limited in their powers to protect this country from being run by a tyrant. That could easily be frustrated by a President who also had a Congress that would go along with him and a Supreme Court that would rule that actions were constitutional. That was the risk of the 2016 election.

Many people, including myself, warned about that possibility, but we went unheard, it appears. Too many people did not vote or chose to vote for some third party candidate who had no chance of winning. We can debate the legitimacy of elections in several states, but if enough people had turned out to vote for Clinton in those states, we would have nothing to debate.

President Obama will do what he is able to do, but he cannot go beyond the authority the President has in the USA. He will not do that, either. What will he do? I have no idea, but I'm sure we're going to learn about it.

Read the Constitution. Discover what powers the President has and what powers he does not have.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
10. Oh well, the Russians stole the election, let's just lay down and give it to them.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:12 PM
Dec 2016

We're not powerless victims, or are we?

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
13. Not at all. None of us are doing that.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 01:32 PM
Dec 2016

We all have to figure out ways we can deal with this within our capabilities.

There are many ideas for things you can do on DU. If you have any other ideas that are actually feasible, please share them. But, what the President can and can't do is pretty clear in the Constitution and in the laws. He won't take any unconstitutional actions, I'm sure.

What have you done so far to try to turn this around, and what are you planning to do?

I see that you use the anarchist symbol as your avatar. We have a government, not an anarchy. Anarchy is not a viable system for a nation the size of the United States. In fact, it's not a viable system for groups of any size, really. So, I suppose you will not do anything that involves actually working within the system. Oh, well.

aikoaiko

(34,163 posts)
14. Him not saying anything when he learned of it makes me think he is not 'working' on it
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 01:37 PM
Dec 2016

There might be retaliation against the Russians and he may lament the hacking, but he's going to defend the legitimacy of the Trump presidency as he has been doing.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
17. I have no information about what President Obama is doing or thinking.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 01:49 PM
Dec 2016

I don't think any of us do. This is a very, very difficult situation we find ourselves in. There's no simple answer at all. There is no magic way to undo a presidential election. The Electoral College is about the only safeguard that exists. Whether it will act on this is unknown at this point. There is, however, no other real legal resource that can be used in the remaining time to block Trump from taking office. The Electoral College could refuse to give him the 270 votes required. That's the best strategy for activism, as far as I can tell. Minnesota's electors will vote for Hillary, and I know nobody outside of Minnesota who is an elector.

Convincing electors to refuse to vote for Trump will have to be done by people in the states they represent. They will pay no attention to people outside of their own states, I'm certain. Contacting your state's electors, as well as your state's congressional members and Senators, along with Republican Party leaders is probably the best bet. If you live in a state where Trump won, then I suggest you start working hard on your own state's electors and on those who might influence them. That will be the most effective thing you can do.

Trump could be shamed into refusing to be inaugurated, I suppose. He could be arrested for some terrible crime, but I'm not sure there is a definite crime that he could be charged with, and that recourse will end after he is inaugurated. He could be impeached after taking office, but that seems very unlikely, given the Republican majority in the House. I know of no other legal way to prevent him from taking office on January 20.

 

RoccoR2

(90 posts)
7. The timeline indicates ?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:59 AM
Dec 2016

Late summer he met with leadership of both parties on the Russian hacking of email with intelligence reports at hand

He decided to not go over the heads of the GOP and make an official announcement

After the election according to the NYT Obama said election results “accurately reflect the will of the American people.”

This past Friday in the Washington Post Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said “The lack of an administration response on the Russian hacking cannot be attributed to Congress”

This tells you what?

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
8. Time to take a stand for America
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:06 PM
Dec 2016

The people are doing it at Standing Rock.
Now it's time to take a stand in DC.

STAND IN SOLIDARITY
WITH AMERICA



 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. Obama orders review of Russian election-related hacking
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 01:43 PM
Dec 2016

President Barack Obama has ordered a full review into hacking aimed at influencing US elections going back to 2008, the White House said Friday.

"The President has directed the Intelligence Community to conduct a full review of what happened during the 2016 election process. It is to capture lessons learned from that and to report to a range of stakeholders," White House Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Adviser Lisa Monaco said at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast with reporters Friday. "This is consistent with the work that we did over the summer to engage Congress on the threats that we were seeing."

White House spokesman Eric Schultz added later that the review would encompass malicious cyber activity related to US elections going back to 2008.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/09/politics/obama-orders-review-into-russian-hacking-of-2016-election/

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