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Arkansas Granny

(31,507 posts)
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:28 PM Dec 2016

Scientists are frantically copying U.S. climate data, fearing it might vanish under Trump

Alarmed that decades of crucial climate measurements could vanish under a hostile Trump administration, scientists have begun a feverish attempt to copy reams of government data onto independent servers in hopes of safeguarding it from any political interference.

The efforts include a “guerrilla archiving event” in Toronto where experts will copy irreplaceable public data, meetings at the University of Pennsylvania focused on how to download as much federal data as possible in the coming weeks, and a collaboration of scientists and database experts who are compiling an online site to harbor scientific information.

“Something that seemed a little paranoid to me before all of a sudden seems potentially realistic, or at least something you’d want to hedge against,” said Nick Santos, an environmental researcher at the University of California at Davis, who over the weekend began copying government climate data onto a nongovernment server, where it will remain available to the public. “Doing this can only be a good thing. Hopefully they leave everything in place. But if not, we’re planning for that.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/13/scientists-are-frantically-copying-u-s-climate-data-fearing-it-might-vanish-under-trump/?postshare=3751481645413207&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.1c4ceeb9da3b


I hadn't considered that data might be destroyed, but I suppose it is a possibility. I have a feeling we're going back to the dark ages.
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Scientists are frantically copying U.S. climate data, fearing it might vanish under Trump (Original Post) Arkansas Granny Dec 2016 OP
an enemy of the state. spanone Dec 2016 #1
what a commentary on the greatest, bestest, most wonderfulest nation in the whole world. niyad Dec 2016 #2
Inspiring, heroic--unbelievable that it might be necessary Hortensis Dec 2016 #8
thank you--"heroic" is indeed the word. niyad Dec 2016 #9
"...not being naive when the whole world really needed them to be wise." suffragette Dec 2016 #22
put in a few back doors where you can, too, guys. mopinko Dec 2016 #3
a most excellent idea!! niyad Dec 2016 #6
Great. They have InfoWars. How, pray tell, is this accomplished? Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #21
Why? Trump voters don't give a damn about climate change, jabbothedog Dec 2016 #23
Indeed. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #24
so we should just get happy and get over it? mopinko Dec 2016 #26
Omigod. Fahrenheit 451! Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #4
I was just thinking about that book and movie the other day. niyad Dec 2016 #7
We've evolved into a post truth society. Calculating Dec 2016 #10
Don't forget Harper's (right-wing PM) attack on Canadian science ... eppur_se_muova Dec 2016 #5
Not to mention ISIS destroying burning libraries and historical sites. Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #15
Just copying isn't enough -- they need to use blockchain to secure the copies against modification FarCenter Dec 2016 #11
This wasn't done before? Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #12
Wait till they get around to the Public Libraries and the Schools: Fahrenheit 451 redux. Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #13
This is the stuff..... dawnie51 Dec 2016 #14
My guess is Trump will bring government-sponsored Lysenkoism back into high fashion. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #16
Trumpsters will want to flush a lot of things down the Memory Hole Martin Eden Dec 2016 #17
KnR for the heroes Hekate Dec 2016 #18
They can memorize it... lame54 Dec 2016 #19
this is a sick ass man bdamomma Dec 2016 #20
Totalitarian tRump Politburo bringing in thought crime clampdown. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author moondust Dec 2016 #27

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Inspiring, heroic--unbelievable that it might be necessary
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:00 PM
Dec 2016

here in the U.S. I was just blown away reading this this morning. I am just so grateful to these people for not being naive when the whole world really needed them to be wise.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
22. "...not being naive when the whole world really needed them to be wise."
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:49 PM
Dec 2016

Very well said.

I am grateful, too.

mopinko

(70,023 posts)
3. put in a few back doors where you can, too, guys.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:48 PM
Dec 2016

it will be interesting to track any changes or edits, to see what they use and what they ignore.

this is war, people. an information war.

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
21. Great. They have InfoWars. How, pray tell, is this accomplished?
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:46 PM
Dec 2016

Russians interfered with our election.

They: "It happened on Obama's watch."

Climate change is real.

They: "No it's not."

Information is only as good as those hearing the information are able to think. Dark days ahead. Sorry, a bit gloomy today.

 

jabbothedog

(22 posts)
23. Why? Trump voters don't give a damn about climate change,
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:53 PM
Dec 2016

so why would Trump? If the average Trump voter had to choose between his $25/hour carbon-producing job and a poverty-stricken coastal community, what do you think they would pick? If was even "maybe" lose his job to reduce climate change, the job wins. Most voters just don't care about the environment, especially someone else's environment, when there's even the possibility it will affect their wallet.

mopinko

(70,023 posts)
26. so we should just get happy and get over it?
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:33 PM
Dec 2016

we need evidence. we need to know what they are doing and what affect it is having.
they will just stop capturing a lot of data. but some is needed by business, so it will stay up. whether that data is reported honestly is of utmost importance.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
10. We've evolved into a post truth society.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:17 PM
Dec 2016

Where fake news about Hillary being a satanist/running a pedophile ring is openly spread around the internet, and where basic scientific truths such as climate change will get you into trouble with a large amount of society.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
5. Don't forget Harper's (right-wing PM) attack on Canadian science ...
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:52 PM
Dec 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112759431

There's no question right-wingers will always try to destroy evidence of inconvenient facts, given the chance.

For a more worrisome precedent, consider that Chinese emperors, Egyptian pharaohs, and probably quite a few others, attempted to destroy all records of previous rulers, so that history would begin with their reign. Scholars who resisted the destruction of their libraries were put to the sword. Many ancient records survive only because dedicated monks hid copies of their most valuable works and refused to reveal their whereabouts even on pain of death.

Ford_Prefect

(7,873 posts)
15. Not to mention ISIS destroying burning libraries and historical sites.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:06 PM
Dec 2016

Ashcroft and the naked statues now seems like a bad joke in comparison.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
11. Just copying isn't enough -- they need to use blockchain to secure the copies against modification
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:25 PM
Dec 2016

And to allow independent proof that the copy is unaltered and valid.

Otherwise, uncurated copies are essentially useless.

dawnie51

(959 posts)
14. This is the stuff.....
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:04 PM
Dec 2016

we heard about when governments fell, conquered places, during war, overseas. Never here, in this magical country of ours. I have lived to see the unthinkable. And I fear for my grandchildren.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. My guess is Trump will bring government-sponsored Lysenkoism back into high fashion.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:07 PM
Dec 2016

My guess is Trump will bring government-sponsored Lysenkoism back into high fashion.

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
17. Trumpsters will want to flush a lot of things down the Memory Hole
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:08 PM
Dec 2016

We are heading into a potential Orwellian nightmare.

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
20. this is a sick ass man
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:43 PM
Dec 2016
Trump says ‘nobody really knows’ if climate change is real]

what an ignorant stupid man. I wish he would just go somewhere else like under a rock.

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