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pbmus

(12,422 posts)
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 02:26 AM Dec 2016

Trump is an extinction-level event

As this dystopian election campaign has unfolded, my mind keeps being tugged by a passage in Plato’s Republic. It has unsettled — even surprised — me from the moment I first read it in graduate school. The passage is from the part of the dialogue where Socrates and his friends are talking about the nature of different political systems, how they change over time, and how one can slowly evolve into another. And Socrates seemed pretty clear on one sobering point: that “tyranny is probably established out of no other regime than democracy.” What did Plato mean by that? Democracy, for him, I discovered, was a political system of maximal freedom and equality, where every lifestyle is allowed and public offices are filled by a lottery. And the longer a democracy lasted, Plato argued, the more democratic it would become. Its freedoms would multiply; its equality spread. Deference to any sort of authority would wither; tolerance of any kind of inequality would come under intense threat; and multiculturalism and sexual freedom would create a city or a country like “a many-colored cloak decorated in all hues.”

This rainbow-flag polity, Plato argues, is, for many people, the fairest of regimes. The freedom in that democracy has to be experienced to be believed — with shame and privilege in particular emerging over time as anathema. But it is inherently unstable. As the authority of elites fades, as Establishment values cede to popular ones, views and identities can become so magnificently diverse as to be mutually uncomprehending. And when all the barriers to equality, formal and informal, have been removed; when everyone is equal; when elites are despised and full license is established to do “whatever one wants,” you arrive at what might be called late-stage democracy. There is no kowtowing to authority here, let alone to political experience or expertise.

America Has Never Been So Ripe for Tyranny -- NYMag - nymag.com
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html

Really good read by Andrew way back in May
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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. I used to pick up The Republic every so often, and should dust it off again...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 02:31 AM
Dec 2016

Plato will never go out of style, no matter how many modern pundits we mistakenly adore.

 
5. Apparently the white supremacists are getting into the classics lately
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:14 AM
Dec 2016

So I'd distance myself from Plato
http://jezebel.com/putting-the-neo-back-in-neo-nazi-1789743928

But the Nazis are only one of several white histories that the men of the alt-right have grafted themselves onto. They are also happy to self-mythologize as the inheritors of other bigoted pasts, including the Ku Klux Klan and, from my research, classical antiquity. (That Facebook troll I mentioned earlier left a hateful comment claiming that the people who live in Greece are not really Greek, and “if your heart is on Homer, Hesiod, Plato et al. then *YOU* are the Greek, not the knowing peasants you are romanticizing.”) The Nazis also saw themselves as the inheritors of classical antiquity, but the alt-right has adopted a new stance toward the Classics: they are the protectors of the rich legacy of the classical tradition, defending it against attacks by liberal universities who want to strip all “dead white men” from the canon.

Kablooie

(18,619 posts)
4. The continuation of the America we know is very fragile right now.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:06 AM
Dec 2016

It's very scary.
The demagogue is backed up by a majority of mindless toadies in Congress who are too drunk with the possibility of power to see the danger they are in.

Trump will also soon install one of those toadies in the Supreme court and it's likely he will replace enough judges to collapse the protection that SCOTUS gives us too.

All Trump has to do is wait for a major terrorist attack and declare martial law. Once that happens Trump the true dictator will emerge and America's democracy fall as it did for Hitler's Germany after the Reichstag fire.

The one advantage we have is that most Americans know that Trump will not act for the good of the country. He will only act for the glorification of Trump.
When Hitler took power most Germans and other world leaders were not aware of Hitler's dangerous proclivities. Hitler had made a reasoned declaration of peace to the world and most people believed him.

Let's hope that even his toadies realize that allowing this man to grab unconstrained power will not help themselves but instead will signing America's death warrant.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
10. The zombie thing has been done to death....
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:35 AM
Dec 2016

In fact, I bet if you polled Americans they would say they actually believe there has been an actual case of zombies at some time in history.

(Besides the guy who's got a birthday this month.)

(Only he really doesn't.)

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
11. Sol Invictus?
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:51 AM
Dec 2016

It sells T shirts though. Seriously though I think there is some truth behind Caribbean zombies, but they're not undead just drugged out and comatose. This film is really good, based on "true" events.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
13. BTW: The traditional way to kill a zombie isn't a 'head shot'....
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:14 PM
Dec 2016

You have to fill its mouth with salt and sew the lips together.

(Per an episode of "The Night Stalker" which researched that stuff.)

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
14. I really liked that programme.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:41 PM
Dec 2016

They showed a few reruns back in the early 90s. I'd not seen them before, Kolckak is a really good character.

I don't remember one about zombies though, maybe there's some I haven't seen.

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