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Kilgore

(1,733 posts)
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:22 PM Dec 2016

This is how the Electoral College works

I came across this web page at the National Archive which clearly explains the EC process in detail.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html

Below is the heart of the description. I always thought the electors all met together in DC. They dont.

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Under the 23rd Amendment of the Constitution, the District of Columbia is allocated 3 electors and treated like a state for purposes of the Electoral College. For this reason, in the following discussion, the word “state” also refers to the District of Columbia and the word “governor” also refers to the Mayor of the District of Columbia.

November 8, 2016—Election Day

Registered voters cast their votes for President and Vice President. By doing so, they also help choose the electors who will represent their state in the Electoral College.

Mid-November through December 19, 2016

After the presidential election, the governor of your state prepares seven Certificates of Ascertainment. “As soon as practicable,” after the election results in your state are certified, the governor sends one of the Certificates of Ascertainment to the Archivist.

Certificates of Ascertainment should be sent to the Archivist no later than the meeting of the electors in December. However, federal law sets no penalty for missing the deadline.

The remaining six Certificates of Ascertainment are held for use at the meeting of the Electors in December.

December 13, 2016

States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors at least six days before the meeting of the Electors. This is so their electoral votes will be presumed valid when presented to Congress.

Decisions by states’ courts are conclusive, if decided under laws enacted before Election Day.

December 19, 2016

The Electors meet in their state and vote for President and Vice President on separate ballots. The electors record their votes on six “Certificates of Vote,” which are paired with the six remaining Certificates of Ascertainment.

The electors sign, seal, and certify six sets of electoral votes. A set of electoral votes consists of one Certificate of Ascertainment and one Certificate of Vote. These are distributed immediately as follows:

one set to the President of the Senate (the Vice President) for the official count of the electoral votes in January;
two packages to the Secretary of State in the state where the electors met—one is an archival set that becomes part of the public record of the Secretary of State's office and the other is a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes;
two packages to the Archivist—one is an archival set that becomes part of the permanent collection at the National Archives and Records Administration and the other is a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes; and
one set to the presiding judge in the district where the Electors met—this is also a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes.
December 28, 2016

Electoral votes (the Certificates of Vote) must be received by the President of the Senate and the Archivist no later than nine days after the meeting of the electors. States face no legal penalty for failure to comply.

If votes are lost or delayed, the Archivist may take extraordinary measures to retrieve duplicate originals.

On or Before January 3, 2017

The Archivist and/or representatives from the Office of the Federal Register meet with the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House in late December or early January. This is, in part, a ceremonial occasion. Informal meetings may take place earlier.

January 6, 2017

The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. Congress may pass a law to change this date.
The Vice President, as President of the Senate, presides over the count and announces the results of the Electoral College vote. The President of the Senate then declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States.

If a State submits conflicting sets of electoral votes to Congress, the two Houses acting concurrently may accept or reject the votes. If they do not concur, the votes of the electors certified by the Governor of the State on the Certificate of Ascertainment would be counted in Congress.

If no Presidential candidate wins 270 or more electoral votes, a majority, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution provides for the House of Representatives to decide the Presidential election. If necessary the House would elect the President by majority vote, choosing from the three candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by state, with each state having one vote.

If no Vice Presidential candidate wins 270 or more electoral votes, a majority, the 12th Amendment provides for the Senate to elect the Vice President. If necessary, the Senate would elect the Vice President by majority vote, choosing from the two candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by state, with each Senator having one vote.

If any objections to the Electoral College vote are made, they must be submitted in writing and be signed by at least one member of the House and one Senator. If objections are presented, the House and Senate withdraw to their respective chambers to consider their merits under procedures set out in federal law.

January 20, 2017 at Noon—Inauguration Day

The President-elect takes the Oath of Office and becomes the President of the United States.

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This is how the Electoral College works (Original Post) Kilgore Dec 2016 OP
And reading this section: guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1
"Given that only 2 candidates actually received electoral votes" - no candidates have received any PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #2
Sorry, you are of course correct. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #4
Indeed there seems no reasonable scenario where Clinton is chosen - even if enough electors... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #7
Thats why an elector revolt is pointless Kilgore Dec 2016 #3
Exactly. The House would pick Satan if he were the GOP nominee. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #5
Nicely Played!! Kilgore Dec 2016 #6
But remember, it's not the 435 reps that vote dumbcat Dec 2016 #8
The only Scenario Crepuscular Dec 2016 #9

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. And reading this section:
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:28 PM
Dec 2016

If no Presidential candidate wins 270 or more electoral votes, a majority, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution provides for the House of Representatives to decide the Presidential election. If necessary the House would elect the President by majority vote, choosing from the three candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by state, with each state having one vote.

So if the Electors do not choose Trump, it goes to the House which chooses among the three candidates receiving the greatest number of electoral votes.

Given that only 2 candidates actually received electoral votes, the House would then choose one of those two.

So who at DU feels that the GOP dominated House would pick Clinton? And why would they do that?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. "Given that only 2 candidates actually received electoral votes" - no candidates have received any
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:37 PM
Dec 2016

electoral votes yet. That refers to the votes from the electors when they meet and they can vote for anyone.
So it could be Trump, Clinton and anyone else that might receive votes from 'faithless electors' that are among
the "top 3".

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. Sorry, you are of course correct.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:40 PM
Dec 2016

I should have written "but only 2 candidates received enough votes to qualify for pledged electors". But my premise still stands. The GOP electors will not by and large refuse to vote for Trump.

And even if they did, the House is GOP controlled.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
7. Indeed there seems no reasonable scenario where Clinton is chosen - even if enough electors...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:46 PM
Dec 2016

defect and drop Trump below 270 and it goes to the House they will most likely choose Trump anyway.

Kilgore

(1,733 posts)
3. Thats why an elector revolt is pointless
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:39 PM
Dec 2016

If you think a GOP dominated House would pick Clinton, then I have a bridge to sell you.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
8. But remember, it's not the 435 reps that vote
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:50 PM
Dec 2016

each state delegation gets one vote. So it depends on how many STATES are dominated by Repubs, not the 435 members of the House. Unfortunately, they also have the majority of the states.

Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
9. The only Scenario
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:03 PM
Dec 2016

The only scenario in which Clinton would be elected would be if there were enough faithless electors who provided her with enough electoral votes to reach 270, otherwise the House makes the decision. No way in hell there is a chance of that happening.

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