This is what old Deplorables voted for --- large copays while your insurance is gutted

[kpete]

Donald Trump and Speaker Paul Ryan plan to pass a plan to privatize the Medicare system, and they’ll be helped by Republicans in the House and Senate. They will try to use PR terms and call the plan “premium support” but it is really a plan to privatize the system that so many get health care from.

Michael Wynn, a resident of Salem, Oregon, wrote a letter to the editor at the Statesman Journal newspaper describing what will happen to average Americans:

Privatizing means giving seniors vouchers so they can shop for health insurance on the open market. Copays, deductibles, tier 1, 2, 3 medications, in-plan providers versus out-of-plan, etc. are all part of the health insurance jungle.

How do you feel about your parents or grandparents analyzing dozens of complex plans? Many of my patients on Medicare have cognitive impairment. They would not be able to determine what insurance company’s policy was best for them.

Because insurance companies must make a profit, they will charge a senior with high blood pressure, diabetes and a hip that needs to be replaced far more than that senior living on Social Security could possibly pay. Many readers know that a policy for a healthy couple costs between $800-$1,600/month and that’s with a high deductible and anywhere between 20-50 percent copay for hospitalizations. A hip replacement costs around $50,000. How many seniors can afford $10,000-$25,000 cash for that copay?

When some citizens voted Republican, they thought they were going to “take back America.” Instead, Republicans are going to take back millions of Americans’ health care by destroying Medicare.

Michael Wynn
Salem

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/opinion/readers/2016/12/14/millions-suffer-if-republicans-privatize-medicare/95436738/

[Sherman A1]

1. We must do everything we can to

push back against this plan. I encourage all to contact your Congressional Representatives and Senators.

[Wolf Frankula]

16. I've Started Doing so Already

I don't want to hear, "Oh, Well, to get along, go along." "That's what the people voted for" "We have to be bipartisan, reach across the aisle" pink tutu shit. We are in opposition. I want to see ZERO Democratic support for this. Filibuster it. Fight it on all fronts.

Wolf

[Maru Kitteh]

20. I don't have a congresscritter right now. The deplorable POS is our incoming Sec. of Interior

Get ready for herds of hunters blowing away everything that moves in your National Parks and public lands America. Ryan Zinke was hand picked by Donnie Jr., endangered species & trophy hunter extraordinaire!

The only bright side will be if Denise Juneau takes a shot at the open seat and Gianforte stays home, we could have a chance of a Democrat taking it. I think Dems in this state would be particularly motivated in a special election.

[workinclasszero]

2. It will also drive many hospitals out of business and lots of health care workers will lose their

jobs, especially in rural Trump voting areas.

This stuff will start with the killing of the ACA and accelerate if the republicans destroy medicare.

[RKP5637]

4. The GOP loves death and destruction. They will be toasting to it. The GOP is a collection of

mental illness.

[sofa king]

24. I hate to say this, but....

Who did the best job of killing Nazis? Adolf Hitler did, by making the stupid, narcissistic decisions that destroyed them--for a while.

Same theory applies here.

[RKP5637]

3. Many will be lying dead in the gutters of America helping to Make America Great Again. But hey, this

is what they wanted and apparently love. You know who will be building a wall? Canada, to keep Americans out trying to escape the forthcoming shit hole.

[world wide wally]

10. But at least there won't be any abortions no matter if the mother must die or a young girl

Is raped by some billionaire predator

[brer cat]

26. Thanks, www.

This thread needed a bright spot, and you provided it!








just in case

[DURHAM D]

5. Healthcare in Russia

The Constitution of the Russian Federation has provided all citizens the right to free healthcare under Mandatory Medical Insurance since 1996

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Russia

[texasmomof3]

6. Isn't that what Obamacare did?

My family being one of them. When I left my job with insurance we decided to do the Obamacare thing. More than tripled our out of pocket and 4x the copay with fewer providers.

[workinclasszero]

7. Yeah premiums never went up before the ACA

What will the dumb ass deplorables blame for ass raping premium hikes after the republican death cult kills the ACA???

[texasmomof3]

12. while premiums have always gone up there was a promise from Obama...

keep your doctors, you will save money.....yeah didn't happen. That is my personal issue with the ACA. Im not saying the other side has the answer I just don't think the ACA did a good job. Good idea and could have been fantastic for millions and millions.

[workinclasszero]

14. Well you are going to love the republican alternative then

Pre-existing condition? Heart disease? Diabetes? Cancer? Not rich?

No health insurance for you, fuck off and die!!!

Simple huh?

[arithia]

18. a few points over your posts...

*Before the ACA, Insurance policies were allowed to basically sell you lemons. It might pay for a kid's immunizations or the occasional routine physical or pap smear, but if you are ever sick or seriously injured, you are up sh*t's creek. High deductibles, out of pocket amounts, limited prescriptions, disturbingly low lifetime maximums, 0 ambulance coverage. These plans were cheap. These plans were offered by employers and direct membership alike. The ACA eliminated crap, cheap plans like this because they screw the consumer.

* Employer paid plans generally have better benefits on the whole than direct pay. They are able to negotiate a better price for better benefits because they are essentially buying in bulk.

* Managed care vs UCR plans (Usual, Customary, Reasonable- your basic plan. Doesn't need referrals but you tend to pay more on copays, out of pocket, deductible and have less benefits than managed care.)

* The number of providers is limited by the insurer that you pick. It's generally a good idea to research that ahead of time before choosing any insurance plan.

Without you telling us what kind of plan you had before and after the ACA, you may as well be comparing apples to oranges.

[Maru Kitteh]

22. I think your slip may be showing, there on your right side, just a little.

Those are some interesting little right-wing talking points you have there.

Employer-provided health insurance was just as mercurial, if not more so in regards to what MD's were "in-network" and how much you would be forking out.

Nice try though. I hope you love Donnie's new health plans he has for you. All you have to do under his plan is be stinking filthy rich! YAY! So much better!

[texasmomof3]

31. so now because I went from a great plan....

and don't love the ACA I am now a Trump supporter and right winger. Well thanks for that label but for your information I lost an oncologist in the MIDDLE of treatment and a physical therapist for my son as well as an internal medicine doc that I had been with for 15 years because of ACA. My family paid double my house payment per month just for the premium. So label away but my reality is that ACA didn't work for us. Feel good about yourself now? I don't for one second think a repub plan will work. I just wish that the ACA had done all it had promised for me. I still believe without a doubt that Trump can not in any way create a plan for people like myself and so many others like me. I think we could have made ACA work brilliantly and Hillary would have been the one to do it. I remember when she started it when she was first lady. People didn't like that but only because of her role not because of her ideas.

[aggiesal]

21. When did you leave your job? ...

If you want to blame anyone maybe you should look at Marco Rubio.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/10/us/politics/marco-rubio-obamacare-affordable-care-act.html?_r=0

[Cosmocat]

8. NO SHIT

it isn't like republicans haven't been salivating to do this and a lot of other crazy ass shit the last quarter century.

But, E-MAILS!

[nancy1942]

9. I will just have to lay down and die.

Me and practically everyone I know in my age group. I will soon be 75. so hopefully we will all just go soon and get it over with. Thank God I've got my cremation paid for so I shouldn't be a bother to the monsters who dreamed this nightmare up. Damn them all.

[awoke_in_2003]

28. They want to fuck it up even more

after the experiences with my wife's mother, who is in a nursing home, I will never have Medicare. I will just have to work until I die. She is 93. She has never owned a home or accumulated any wealth. She is in a nursing home because she requires 24 hour supervision. Besides Social Security she has no other income. With all that, every 6 months, my wife has to fill out a shitload of paperwork, submit bank statements, and hope she made no mistakes (god forbid she does, then all hell breaks loose) so that she can continue to stay on Medicare. I bring this up, because today my wife is at the nursing home now, doing her semi annual jumping through the hoops. It is cruel how we treat our unwealthy aged in this country. When people say "Medicare for all" I say "no fucking thank you". The system is a cruel, malignant joke.

on edit: "The system is a cruel, malignant joke"- that is about my feelings on just about every aspect of our banana republic.

[Guilded Lilly]

11. Damn them. Each and every one. The Souless and The STUPID

[texasmomof3]

13. Do we know this Wynn guy is a medical/insurance expert or is this his opinion as a resident of Salem

[progressoid]

19. Here, let me Google that for you.

http://health.usnews.com/doctors/michael-wynn-352023

Dr. Michael Wynn is a neurologist in Salem, Oregon and is affiliated with Salem Hospital. He received his medical degree from College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific and has been in practice for more than 20 years. Dr. Wynn accepts several types of health insurance, listed below. He is one of 4 doctors at Salem Hospital who specialize in Neurology.

[texasmomof3]

30. awesome! Just wish he had signed his letter that way! Guy knows his stuff!nt

[Maru Kitteh]

25. You seem eager to attack the messenger here, and to parrot the stance of anti-ACA activists

in your comments on this thread. What's up with that?

[texasmomof3]

29. Not at all....

my point was is this someone that is just sharing an opinion or someone that has experience and or has worked with the creation of the ACA. I thought that it was weird that he signed his name as a Salem resident as opposed to stating his credentials so to speak. I could fill a page about my opinion but I can only speak to what has happened with my family. I was wondering if this person might actually be qualified with certainties unlike myself.

[PearliePoo2]

15. Fuck these soulless, ghoulish bastards. I'll be in the streets with a tear gas mask.

My friends and family will be right there with me! DON'T lie down and die without fighting the fuckers to the end.

[Tikki]

17. Well, they can sell everything they own, move in with their middle aged children and those...

middle aged children can mortgage their homes to pay the difference that their parents can't pay.

See how all the deplorables won.

Tikki

[Else You Are Mad]

23. But, in the deplorables's minds...

This is just a small price they have to pay so that they don't have to be enrolled in something named after a black man. Don't fool yourself into thinking the deplorables don't hate the ACA mainly because it is commonly known by the name of a black president.

[lunasun]

27. Hell yes Obama gone and as long as that wall is built they will be just fine. Everything has a price