38 38 38 38 38 38 michael moore's letter to electors 38 38 38 38 38 38

[orleans]

posted 3 hours ago on fb

"2. But some states have made it "illegal" for you to vote any other way than for Trump. If you don't vote for him, your state will fine you $1,000. So here's my offer to you: I obviously can't and won't give you money to vote tomorrow, but if you do vote your conscience and you are punished for it, I will personally step up pay your fine which is my legal right to do.
3. If you are still worried about the legality of you voting your conscience and would like free legal advice and help, Harvard law professor Lawrence Lessig has offered to be your lawyer. Contact him at: [web address listed]"
(snip)
"Why not choose a president who won't try to please Moscow, someone who believes the threat of terrorism is real and demands to be briefed on it daily? Why not let history record your moment of true courage and patriotism? Only 38 of you have to stand up and say, "I love my country and I cannot in good conscience vote for a man who, whether he means to or not, may put our nation in jeopardy. I love my country more than I love this job as an elector." "
(snip)
"P.S. Tonight, in front of most State Capitols, thousands of Americans will be participating in candlelight vigils hoping you will vote your conscience. www.vigilsforamerica.com Stop by and chat with them if you get the chance."
https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10154020664436857

[hrmjustin]

1. Unfortunately there will be no miracles.

[tenaciousdem]

11. nope, no miracles

Trump gets anything and everything he wants. If Karma was real, it would'a kicked his ass 40 or 50 years ago.

[AgadorSparticus]

20. Funny thing about miracles is that no one can predict them.

[brooklynite]

41. Bearing in mind that miracles don't exist...

[AgadorSparticus]

49. Absolutely not true. Just sad you don't believein miracles.

[Maraya1969]

53. I believe in miracles.

[AgadorSparticus]

58. Me too. Impeachment miracles.

[kentuck]

2. It's admirable what Michael is doing...

He has been like the town-crier during this whole campaign.

[Lucinda]

17. +1

[awoke_in_2003]

29. He was slammed

When he said trump could win. Of course, that didn't require genius- HRC only lead in the polls by a slim margin (because we are a country of idiots)- slim enough to allow cheating by the other side to prevail. Our side was far too cocksure.

[Turbineguy]

3. This is like

the second barrier to stop the terrorists from blowing the place up.

[brooklynite]

4. I can't imagine why a Trump Elector wouldn't be swayed by an offer from Michael Moore...

[JI7]

5. lol

[George II]

6. It would be a hardship, but I'd cough up the $38,000 myself for those fines.

[treestar]

7. In the future we should know who the electors are

make them run and promise to vote for whatever candidate. If the EC gets to decide the election, they we get to vote for the electors. That is what the EC provides for.

[former9thward]

26. That is the system we have now.

All electors are known. When you vote for president you are voting for their electors which are printed on the ballot.

[unblock]

28. Not all ballots show the names of the electors

The information is public, just not always on the ballot itself. This is one of the general problems, voting is conducted differently across the country.

[treestar]

33. good, that's how it should be

my state fails to do that. It put "Hillary Clinton" and "Orange Toxin" on the ballot. We are not voting for them but the electors. The electors names should be on the ballot, like in your state.

The founders thought we should vote for people we trust, leaders in our state, to pick the President, so it should be like that, not just appointed party hacks. They should run before the election for elector, not just be appointed afterward by some mysterious method.

[triron]

8. 37?

[AlexSFCA]

9. don't count on it

Will we find out the result tomorrow or have to wait until Jan.6?

[former9thward]

27. You will know tomorrow afternoon.

It is not a secret ballot.

[JI7]

12. i still say he wanted trump to win.

He knows they Aren't going to change their minds because of this.

But he can start to get support and sales from those upset over the election.

[mac56]

19. You're pretty new here.

You know about the pizza, right?

[orleans]

25. lol n/t

[Merlot]

14. Sales? What sales? That is so NOT Michael Moore's style.

The fact that MM predicted trumpt would win doesn't equate with him wanting trumtp to win.

[JI7]

15. he said trump won the debates also

[LiberalLovinLug]

32. And enough of his supporters thought he did

[treestar]

34. I think he did though

He knows he could be more relevant with an R in office. He did well with Fahrenheit 911 no? What did he get with a D President in office?

One thing I would be wiling to bet on is that he'll have one out as soon as Orange Idiot gives him the material.

[LiberalLovinLug]

40. An awful smear

I can't even fathom the kind of delusional bitter cynicism it must take to think someone like Moore has been faking his politics all along for money. To withstand the kind of disrespect and derision from the right - being booed at the Oscars when he called Bushes war illegal for instance - all these years.

You could say that about ANYONE that makes an income and speaks against the right - Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, Naomi Klein...

Some may just do it for the attention On a political news site right?

[treestar]

45. Oh I think he'll live

I don't think he is where he is due to money, but from the left he can always criticize and an R President gives him better material, and Orange Ass you must admit seems especially good for media. You must be a big fan to be that offended, so apologies. I watched Trumpland and it was good - also the one about guns which escapes me as to name, and Fahrenheit 911.

[LiberalLovinLug]

51. Thanks for responding

I just get upset a little when I hear this as a way to dismiss any critic of the right, usually from someone on the right. Doonsberry makes a living, you cold pick out a lot. Heck Earl G and Skinner make something from DU.

[Axolotls]

62. I agree

I think at some level he wanted Trump to win--as you point out, a Republican president is very good business for him so to speak, let alone one as polarizing and controversial as Trump. He is like a wet dream, GWB on steroids. After the long "drought", an R in the White House, esp given it's the likes of Trump, is total red meat for Moore. To give the benefit of the doubt, while he may not have wanted and salivated over the prospect of a Trump presidency, I think it'd be naive not to think it definitely offers a huge silver lining for him. A win-win situation.

[PoliticAverse]

16. Did you miss the film he released..."Michael Moore in Trumpland" ? n/t

[LiberalLovinLug]

31. So what was the film you put out?

Or any other involved project to help warn the country?







Yeah I thought so.

[treestar]

35. I saw that

Still think he knows Orange Hitler as POTUS would make better material for him to use. It was a little too late.

[awoke_in_2003]

30. He said it was close enough to steal

and dems ridiculed him for it. "She's got this" was the battle cry. Well, she didn't have it, and never will. Why in the hell did we pick a former primary loser to run again? McCain should be proof positive of how that is a losing strategy. The desire to have the first female president after the first AA president overwhelmed logic.

[treestar]

36. She won the popular vote

It is a miracle for Orange Hitler that he won. How he managed to have the good luck to get enough voters to win all the swing states, by hair thin margins, is a miracle from his point of view and that of his supporters. They were not expecting to win and they must have been beside themselves with amazement.

And something was wrong, you can bet on that. How did he just happen to get a razor thin victory in all the right states? Something stinks. We may not be able to prove it, but something was happening. Too big a coincidence that he happened to get all the swing states even though the polls in most of them showed he was not going to.

[awoke_in_2003]

47. Republicans running the states

pick the republicans handling the voting machines.

[treestar]

48. Yep. Republicans are so diligent

They are like busy bees. Always have the time to check out everything and find their opportunities to push their agenda.

[awoke_in_2003]

54. From the PTA and up

their party is more organized and patient. They have infiltrated and control all levels of local government.

[zentrum]

21. I think the way it

….works is that even if they don't give him their votes, the choice will go to the House of Representatives.

Which, as you know, is controlled by the Repubs.

There's no escape from this disaster except through our continual organized resistance for the next four years.

Demand he divest. Demand he report his taxes. Demand that Ivanka divest or stop attending meetings. Demand investigations of Tillerson and Russian oil deals. Demand exposure of the Alt-Right sympathizers and racists in his administration. Just for starters.

[treestar]

37. It would still be cool if it went to the House

1. It would be historic
2. It would teach voters that the House exists
3. It would delegitimize Orange Hitler further; he'd be like John Quincy Adams and in the current media era, if it were talked about endlessly, would put him in far worse position than Adams was.
4. It would underscore his loss of popular vote.

[orleans]

43. i don't think the house would vote for trump n/t

[treestar]

44. that would probably be good

Orange Ass is just so unfit - I can't believe I'm saying it, but even Paul Ryan himself would at least feel somewhat safer with the nuclear codes.

[orleans]

46. the repuke politicians didn't want him as the nominee

so i doubt they would vote for him

even though they were complicit in creating this monstrous shit show we have now, i don't think they bargained for this

[zentrum]

59. The House has

…..a Republican majority. Why wouldn't they fall into line?

[orleans]

60. because they didn't want him to begin with

but it's moot now

day's almost over

and he's in

[zentrum]

61. Really Bad Day. nt

[BallardWA]

22. Jaysus!

Can no-one believe that someone is truly doing something from the heart?
If we cannot cease the cynicism, we are doomed.

[flying-skeleton]

23. NOT happening !!

They're just aren't 38 heroes to save America !!

[I am an American]

24. Time to Stand UP Guys!

I assume most of you know about this petition... so,here it is again for those who missed it.

Mass protest at state capitals, see you there.

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19-4a78160a-023c-4ff0-9069-53cee2a095a8/u/18806810?tk=p4OJ5HJbeK2u7GYXIE5eDDyE1-mnAD5cujWRKQ5eowU&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

[Moostache]

42. Am I the only one that remembers 2002?

There were MILLIONS of people protesting the Iraq war run-up...MILLIONS...we now have what? A few thousand people on an impossible quest to change the Electoral College result?

The "war" is over. We not only lost, we got poked in the eyes, shoved into the mud and kicked in the ass for trying to make the world a better place. All hope is gone and the coming hell hole of a formerly first world power is going to make Mad max look like a fairy tale. This country is dead and the ideals that it represented to the world are as well.

RIP
United States of America
1776 - 2016

[Fast Walker 52]

55. meh, we never were as great as advertised...

[lillypaddle]

50. Nice, but blowing in the wind

[MadDAsHell]

52. Unfortunately I suspect he lost his credibility with "There is no terrorist threat" a few years back

I've seen more than one FBer refer to that line by Moore back in 2003 as to why he has no authority on how and why we should fight terrorism.

[CitizenZero]

56. Moore Is Great

I am glad we Progressives have him on our side. I wasn't surprised when he called the Election for Trump. During one of the debates, Trump kept mentioning the Rust Belt States--Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Hillary did not.

I thought "Trump is speaking directly to the Electorate, while Hillary just keeps offering up her Resume and her Policies". Those things (experience, policies) are important, but you have to throw some red meat to the voters, which is what Trump did. I realized at that debate moment that Trump was addressing the voters directly and Hillary was in trouble. Trump was a cunning and ruthless salesman.

Hillary had the experience, no doubt, but she was not a good campaigner. Trump has an instinct to go for the jugular and Hillary was just not good at speaking to the voters concerns. In campaigns, reason flys out the window at some point. It is more about instinct and emotion, and Trump is a snake oil salesmen who could sell ice to eskimos. The Democrats need to nominate people who appeal to the interests, needs, and prejudices of the people, not cerebral policy wonks who have been in Washington for decades.

[Axolotls]

63. Re the Rust Belt

Don't know why some are surprised that Trump took that region--he got IA, OH and esp IN by good to huge margins, and though PA, WI and MI were narrow, keep in mind these were states that hadn't gone for an R presidential candidate in decades. He came startlingly close in MN as well and could very well have taken that state too.

A big part of his message and campaign was SPECIFICALLY tailored to the Rust Belt, railing against free trade/immigration. That's why he made so much headway there, which the establishment R presidential candidates have not and wouldn't have been able to, too beholden.

[Rex]

57. I know a lot of people had their fee fees hurt over MMoore being right about the election.

Get over it?