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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 03:30 PM Dec 2016

The subtle, overlooked dangerous message in Donald Trump's latest tweet.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/810604216771284992

If my many supporters acted and threatened people like those who lost the election are doing, they would be scorned & called terrible names!


Let's put aside for a moment the "post-truth" dissembling that Trump's supporters have acted peacefully and responsibly throughout the campaign and since November 8th. They haven't.

Let's also put aside for the moment the implied notion that Trump's supporters constitute a majority of American voters. They don't.

Instead, let's focus on the fact that with just under a month until inauguration, Donald Trump is doing all that he can to pit an "us versus them" conflict between those who voted for him and those who didn't. That is dangerous and irrational behavior on a prospective incoming leader on all counts, but especially in an election as highly charged as this.

The time period between the election and inauguration traditionally has been one where the incoming President-elect calls out for unity and reconciliation of the electorate. If you watch some of President-Elect Obama's speeches leading up to his inauguration, they served as eloquent, high-minded call to the greatness of the country, and previewed his message of inclusivity in his inaugural address.

Even George W. Bush's address following the Supreme Court's decision to halt the recount spoke of coming together. (His words of course ultimately rang extremely hollow as we all would sadly figure out, but to his credit, he laid off the partisanship at that critical time.)

But the message in Trump's tweet and the notion behind his whole "Thank You (Victory) Tour" is insidious. "His" supporters are right, everyone else is wrong, and he's going to do all he can to rub it in our faces, even without a proper mandate.

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The subtle, overlooked dangerous message in Donald Trump's latest tweet. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 OP
As if those calling for a closer look at this election PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #1
He hates everyone who didn't vote for him, and he will go right on hating. n/t Binkie The Clown Dec 2016 #2
Yep, he's preparing his troops, getting them all lathered up. PearliePoo2 Dec 2016 #3
That's what I am afraid of. smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #6
and helmeted and ARMED. lastlib Dec 2016 #13
the power of suggestion eShirl Dec 2016 #14
and of course, there is the projection, as usual. mopinko Dec 2016 #4
What happens when (not if) something bad happens GusBob Dec 2016 #5
He will find some way to profit off it elmac Dec 2016 #7
a Katrina could shake some of his supporters, but terrorist attack will become a police state MrPurple Dec 2016 #26
as has been noted before, trump's not nearly as different as people make him out to be. unblock Dec 2016 #8
He is VASTLY more extreme than Reagan or GWB... lastlib Dec 2016 #16
and i'd say it is quite dangerous to minimize the extremism of reagan and shrub unblock Dec 2016 #20
Fuck trump to hell Emilybemily Dec 2016 #9
If his many voters in 12 states had all voted twice, he's still be the loser! Coyotl Dec 2016 #10
Divide and conquor is a key practice of Fascists and dictators of all stripes vlyons Dec 2016 #11
The sad thing is, all of us will be mauled by that tiger, not just Trump MrPurple Dec 2016 #28
Can we... jaxind Dec 2016 #12
The only thing this guy brings together is is ass cheeks aka his mouth TrekLuver Dec 2016 #15
This is not the least bit subtle Cosmocat Dec 2016 #17
Next he'll brag that his side has guns. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #18
At root, tRump afraid of truth he lost popular vote & fears losing the electoral college Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #19
trump's a little fucking scaremonger.. Cha Dec 2016 #21
Donnie, you wanna actually do something to promote unity? Martin Eden Dec 2016 #22
Not exactly subtle. You don't do a victory tour Ms. Toad Dec 2016 #23
The lines have been drawn Loge23 Dec 2016 #24
the "victory tour" are fascist rallies MrPurple Dec 2016 #29
so true... Loge23 Dec 2016 #32
Oh, he called out for "unity"...in a "be reasonable, do it my way" kind of vein... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #25
It's just sport for the GOP. They dont want to represent... Beartracks Dec 2016 #27
This could actually play to our favor. lark Dec 2016 #30
Read this and be very afraid Moliere Dec 2016 #31

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
1. As if those calling for a closer look at this election
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 03:34 PM
Dec 2016

are not themselves being scorned and called terrible names.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
3. Yep, he's preparing his troops, getting them all lathered up.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 03:38 PM
Dec 2016

He just has to say "when" and "who". Remember, he just called them vicious and mean, right? And they cheered and roared in agreement.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
6. That's what I am afraid of.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 04:13 PM
Dec 2016

The world is already a violent place, but I am afraid under Trump it's going to get a lot worse.

lastlib

(23,208 posts)
13. and helmeted and ARMED.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 05:18 PM
Dec 2016

The Nazification of the GOPee has begun. Australia is looking better and better every day to this American liberal Democrat.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
5. What happens when (not if) something bad happens
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 03:41 PM
Dec 2016

something will go wrong, from a cop shooting to a natural disaster to a terrorist attack.

He hates over half of America. They in turn have a deep mistrust of him.

It will be handled poorly is without a doubt

The result will be a tragedy will be magnified by his ham-handed management.

some things ya just cant fix nor prevent with a tweet Trumpski

MrPurple

(985 posts)
26. a Katrina could shake some of his supporters, but terrorist attack will become a police state
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 01:43 PM
Dec 2016

It depends what kind of bad thing happens and when. A Katrina like event early on would be good, as it could help some of Trump's supporters see through him if things are mismanaged. Unfortunately, how much his supporters strayed would depend on whether the victims were black city dwellers.

If (really when) there's another terrorist incident, I fear that's when the real power grab would happen. It's not going to be a question of Trump mismanaging it, but of Bannon & company stoking people's hysteria and fears. The information coming from the White House about the nature of what happened will be as reliable as Breitbart/Info Wars, with the goal of manipulation and enhancing their power. Just look at the people Trump has appointed - how could you see it playing out any differently?

unblock

(52,195 posts)
8. as has been noted before, trump's not nearly as different as people make him out to be.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 04:36 PM
Dec 2016

he's merely more obvious than other republicans, including, as you point out, shrub.

lastlib

(23,208 posts)
16. He is VASTLY more extreme than Reagan or GWB...
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 05:40 PM
Dec 2016

...at least from their public personas. They at least masked some of their racism and xenophobia in public--Trump brings it out in the open with pride and all his arrogance.

I think it is quite dangerous to minimize his extremism and his arrogant narcissism.

unblock

(52,195 posts)
20. and i'd say it is quite dangerous to minimize the extremism of reagan and shrub
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:39 PM
Dec 2016

just because they were able to put a rhetorical fig leaf over it.


even more important, i don't want anyone ever to claim that donnie was an aberration. i'm tying that damn albatross around the republican party's neck. i'm not letting him ruin this country only to have another republican say vote for me, that guy was a one-off.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
11. Divide and conquor is a key practice of Fascists and dictators of all stripes
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 04:53 PM
Dec 2016

Plus Trump has a very vindictive streak, as did most of the world's tyrants. E.G. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Robbespiere to name a but a few. Trump, like them, takes great pleasure in punishing his perceived enemies. But one day, he will conjour up a perceived enemy, only to find that he has grabbed a tiger by it's tail. The American people will eventually turn on Trump, and hopefully repudiate the GOP for generations to come. When we see people lose their jobs, lose healthcare, lose SSI, see sons and daughters marching off to a war with Iran, maybe that will be the tiger.

jaxind

(1,074 posts)
12. Can we...
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 05:01 PM
Dec 2016

Can we also address the fact that prior to the election, Trump was saying that the elections were rigged if he lost! He was actually riling up his base to cause a hell a lot of rioting had he lost! And, the type of rioting, from them, I am sure, would have been violent! Remember that sheriff who asked people to grab pitchforks??!!

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
17. This is not the least bit subtle
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 05:56 PM
Dec 2016

It's a clear and direct call to action.

People would save themselves a lot of time and confusion if they would just reconcile themselves to the fact that the United States is clearly now transitioning to an authoritarian, fascist state.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
19. At root, tRump afraid of truth he lost popular vote & fears losing the electoral college
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 05:59 PM
Dec 2016

He is afraid there will be multiple backlashes against his policies, his cabinet, his way of doing things (idiotically).

So he is poisoning the water, rallying his deplorables, rousing his rabble. He is going to be mean and nasty and wants goons to intimidate the opposition.

Also ... it is part of his mindset that he can do no wrong and that all the badness is from his enemies. He is a bit bewildered why he has enemies that he hasn't shafted yet, but he knows he does.

Ms. Toad

(34,060 posts)
23. Not exactly subtle. You don't do a victory tour
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 09:39 PM
Dec 2016

if it truly is "so important to me" to be a "president for all Americans."

A victory tour is not a uniting act - it is a rub your nose in it act.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
24. The lines have been drawn
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 01:21 PM
Dec 2016

It's right vs. left - not only in the US, but in many parts of the world as well.
This will be the defining clash of ideologies going forward. The scary truth here is that the right are the more prone to violence side.
trump will not tolerate dissent, I think that that point should be clear to any observer.
So the only thing separating us from chaos after January 20th is the left's willingness to stand up for what's left of American liberty and democracy (as slim as it is) and the willingness of the world to stand up against fascism.
...and down the stretch we go

MrPurple

(985 posts)
29. the "victory tour" are fascist rallies
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 01:58 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:53 PM - Edit history (1)

In 230 years, what President elect has ever foregone preparing for office to tour the country with postelection rallies? Those are angry, booing, jeering crowds, fired up about their perceived enemies. This has never happened in American history. If you look for comparisons to other countries/eras for this, the examples are all very troubling.

There is ZERO attempt to acknowledge the 54% of Americans who didn't vote for him and that he is supposed to represent their concerns too, which every other President at least has paid lip service to.

There's a lot of people who aren't "deplorable" who don't seem to recognize this for what it is and I don't fully understand that.

Wounded Bear

(58,645 posts)
25. Oh, he called out for "unity"...in a "be reasonable, do it my way" kind of vein...
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 01:25 PM
Dec 2016

I get your post and it's intent. We must be awake to the obvious manipulations he uses.

Before, he was an outsider, even to the RW tent. Now, he has the RW echo chamber on his side, coaching him on how to speak double plus good words. Nothing he says should be taken at face value, even more so than the average politician.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
27. It's just sport for the GOP. They dont want to represent...
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 01:44 PM
Dec 2016

... all their constituents. They have no more regard or respect for their political rivals than Okies have for the Texas Longhorns. They just want to win, and have bragging rights. Football, however, is a stupid model on which to base a system of government.

Trump acts like he got a trophy. He didn't get a trophy. He got a JOB that he's woefully unprepared for and, from what I can see, not all that interested in.

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lark

(23,091 posts)
30. This could actually play to our favor.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 02:06 PM
Dec 2016

The more he gets out and takes credit for all the changes coming, the more even his inbred stupid moronic voters will thing he is personally responsible for their bad and worsening life. Bet Drumpf is too stupid to veto the Ryan bill and that will piss off his folks mightily, at least eventually. They are stupid enough to think that things won't change for those already on Medicare, but that will end in 4 years and then "his people" will be the ones hurt the most.

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