California isn't seceding. It's not feasible. But we categorically reject Trump and Deplorabilism.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

We have two Democratic senators, a Democratic congressional delegation, a Democratic governor, and a Democratic supermajority in our legislature.

[KamaAina]

1. The Democratic governor had better be ready to work with the legislature

rather than vetoing everything as he has been.

[Lifelong Protester]

2. Well, if you change your minds and go

let us know. Immediately!!!

[TheFrenchRazor]

3. with that kind of small thinking, we would still be a part of great britain. nt

[Missn-Hitch]

4. He he he. Cheers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Norman Vincent Peale, is that you?

I think I'll pick up a basketball and become LeBron James.

[WilliamH1474]

5. Finally someone can admit it

I have gotten tired of these pipe dreams and these crazy plans to succeed, or swing EC voters.

Let's come up with a plan to win back some Governorship's, Senate seats and Congressional seats. That is what the focus should be on. Coming from behind to win it all next time

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. There are very few examples of a peaceful secession

If you look at it as an amiable divorce and they do occur where both parties agree to a fair distribution of the assets and arrangement going forward it could theoretically work. Folks from red states would have visitation rights.

[RegexReader]

41. According to Lincoln, such a peaceful separation is possible

just no violence. Given the size of economy plus the $$$$ outflow to the red state leeches, the blue counties of California would be sitting pretty. I'm not against it. I'm for it and will move there if it happens. Look at the benefits, you would be able to get rid of the gun violence once and for all since the NRA members would book up to leave.

[tavernier]

44. We did it.

Florida Keys. Look it up.

[pintobean]

6. Does that mean you'll stop talking about seceding?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I will only stop talking when you stop listening.

[pintobean]

18. You misspelled 'laughing'.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I laugh at how some folks are so mesmerized by me that they follow me around like a shadow.

[bravenak]

20. I get those kinds too.

I used to laugh but now I simply feel sad for them. Such a waste of time.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. At least I haven't received hostile snail mail.

[bravenak]

38. Lucky U

They should have delivered it in person. Bet that would not have gone the way they expected in my neighborhood, lol. My husband was madder than I was

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. The person who sent that letter might still be with us.

Whoever sent it was deplorable.

[bravenak]

42. A complete embarrassment

I would try shaming them but they obviously feed off the negative attention

[pintobean]

23. People don't follow you around

You post a dozen OPs a day. No one's mesmerized, we're amused. People reply to silly crap.

It's not surprising that you think you're being followed, though.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Thirteen people recommended this thread.

" People don't follow you around
You post a dozen OPs a day. No one's mesmerized, we're amused. People reply to silly crap. "

-Pintobean

Thirteen people recommended this thread. Are they silly too?

[pintobean]

34. I have no idea why anyone recced your thread.

People rec for a variety of reasons. Some people would rec a fart.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. " Some people would rec a fart."

" ...Some people would rec a fart."

-pintobean

Would you?

[pintobean]

36. I just did.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. A question.

I have a question, perhaps you can bring some insight. Do you or do you not believe contemptuous language is the sine qua non of a Deplorable? For instance when I go to our president elect's twitter page I see a lot of disparagement of others from his devotees. Of course, most of them are anonymous. I actually have a begrudging respect for those who put their legal names behind their malignance.

My insight is that people who are quick to denigrate others are compensating for their own personal failures. Do you believe that is why Deplorables are so quick to denigrate others?

Is not love and empathy stronger than hate and fear?

[pintobean]

53. Please don't send me any more PMs

It seems pretty weird that someone would whine and claim that people are following them, then send them PMs with links to your other threads. It's nadinesque.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. SMH

Please don't send me any more PMs

It seems pretty weird that someone would whine and claim that people are following them, then send them PMs with links to your other threads. It's nadinesque.

-pintobean

As a good DU citizen I linked my response to you in this thread where your compared my post to flatulence:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028383242#post37

If my fellow posters doubt my veracity they can link that post and look up. You compared my post to flatulence as well as making other unpleasant comments.

How about if you don't follow me around this site and cease degrading, disrespecting and dehumanizing me and comparing my posts to flatulence I won't send you private messages asking you to desist.



Deal?


P.S.

"It's nadinesque."

-pintobean

It's pusillanimous to defame someone who isn't here to defend herself but you already know that.







P.S. Happy Holidays

[pintobean]

55. You're stalking me now?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028250874#post36
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018521674#post5

That's just pathetic.


And, you are correct; banned members aren't here to defend themselves.

On edit: You really need to lighten up and learn to take a joke. Such thin skin doesn't work well on DU.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. Do unto others as they do unto you.

You're stalking me now?

-pintobean

"When in Greece, do like the Grecians (sp)."


-Shaquille O'Neal


BTW, you still haven't answered my question. You are uniquely positioned to answer it:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028383242#post37

On edit: You really need to lighten up and learn to take a joke. Such thin skin doesn't work well on DU.

-pintobean

I don't take instruction from folks like you in real life so I see even less of a need to take instruction from folks like you on the "internets". Oh, and some folks can't distinguish levity from malevolence.




P.S. Happy Holidays

[Cha]

7. Envy of the Nation for thinking people. We have two Dem Senators

and a Dem Gov.. and we were the next behind California in turning out for Hillary.

And, a Democratic supermajority in our legislature. So much smaller than Cali but I feel somewhat safe out here.

[oasis]

8. Californians refuse to drink the Deplorable's Kool-Aid.

[agincourt]

9. One thing I've wondering about California is how do they do it?

California has the same media, the same news and they do not buy the GOP horseshit. Even the Red and Blue counties are almost even in square miles so it can't be all urban voters. What makes Californians so much smarter politically then my native Nebraskans are? I'd love to know, because any progressive political party that's against the GOP radioactive slag heap could learn a lot from Cali.

[roamer65]

28. A multicultural environment.

When you learn about new people and new cultures, it opens the mind like a blossom in spring.

[tinrobot]

43. For one thing, we don't Gerrymander

So our Democratic majorities truly represent the people.

I think there are a lot of "red" states that are only red because of gerrymandering.

[moonscape]

45. There's a lot of red in the central part of the state. In some ways

we do represent the national divide we see with urban/rural. The high population centers are along the coast, plus Silicon Valley, and very liberal. My county went about 75% for Hillary. In the central part of the state, lower population, you can find flip counties going overwhelmingly Republican, and I suppose (didn't look at county numbers) for T.

Having sane districts (drawn by an independent commission) does keep down the crazy.

[agincourt]

58. I have noticed though

that even the counties that did go for trump ran about 60-40, 70-30, not like Nebraska where it usually runs 91-9 in the rural areas GOP.

[onenote]

10. Diverse demographics

In terms of the demographics of its population, California is the most diverse state in the country. Less than 60 percent of its population are native English speaking and 75% of the residents less than one year in age are a "minority" (although that statistic gives new meaning to the concept of a minority). Compare that to, for example, Pennsylvania, where 90 percent of the population are native English speaking and less than 1/3 of those under 1 year of age are minorities.

When you look at the bluest states, one thing that you find most have in common (but not all) is a higher level of diversity of population than the reddest states.

[mcar]

11. We need California to set the example

[yuiyoshida]

47. AWWW you are makin me proud to be a CALIFORNIA GIRL!

[FarCenter]

14. So are you in favor of one-party democracies?

Essentially like Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China, Russia... Turkey coming soon.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I want to get this one hundred percent right !!!

"California isn't seceding. It's not feasible. But we categorically reject Trump and Deplorabilism.

We have two Democratic senators, a Democratic congressional delegation, a Democratic governor, and a Democratic supermajority in our legislature. "

-Me

"So are you in favor of one-party democracies ?
Essentially like Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China, Russia... Turkey coming soon"

-You

If you want a robust Republican party that is now headed by Donald Trump in your state there is nothing I can do to prevent you.

[Equinox Moon]

16. I read that Oregon is working on something for the 2018 ballot

They are inviting CA, WA, and BC to join them in seceding.

[onenote]

21. Some say....

Actually, there was a petition filed by a couple of people in Oregon, which proposed that the state begin a process of "peaceful secession" and suggested such secession might be "alone or in conjunction with other states and Canadian provinces that seek to form a new nation, including but not limited to California, Washington, Hawaii, Nevada, Alaska and British Columbia.”

But that petition was withdrawn shortly after it was filed. Which was the smart thing to do since it had zero chance of succeeding.

[Equinox Moon]

22. Thanks for the info

Last edited Wed Dec 21, 2016, 09:51 AM - Edit history (1)

Even though, as you say, "It has zero chance", maybe these actions are still important to do. For the sake of discussion and further creativity.

[TheFrenchRazor]

49. correct; don't listen to the nay-sayers. there is certainly no harm in circulating a petition. nt

[roamer65]

25. I would push for "sovereignty association".

Push for your own immigration laws, wage and worker safety laws, etc.

Refuse to enforce unjust laws out of D.C. Think Quebec, my CA friends.

Since TX gets to pick and choose, so do you.

[onenote]

27. Not familiar with the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution?

What you're proposing sounds a lot like the sovereign citizens movement or the occasional attempts (or more often threats) by state officials to ignore supreme court decisions.

Seeing these horrible ideas propounded here is just sad.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Do you interpret that to mean Trump can turn local police forces into ersatz deportation forces?

Isn't border control largely a federal function?

[roamer65]

30. If they can push the Constitution, so can we at the other end.

[TheFrenchRazor]

50. you can be a tool if you want to; no one else is required to do the same. nt

[ghostsinthemachine]

31. Might as well start on our way. Going to happen

When the war on pot gets going, this time there will be enormous backlash. It makes sense. CA gives other states 40% of its revenue. States like Alabama get that money. Renegotiate oil leases, fracking etc, in a progressive state.

[TheFrenchRazor]

51. precisely; i can't believe how conventional and conformist some of the thinking here is. nt

[walkingman]

32. California gives me hope

Living in Texas I am so tired of this seemingly endless push to the extreme right. What has happened to Texas and for that matter most of America. I know being part of the bible belt probably doesn't help things becuase for some reason most of the religious folks I know are bigoted and prejudiced against anyone that doesn't look like them and even those that are not of their religious affiliation. When will this all end.

I wish I knew what it is about the East and West coasts that make them such an enlightened part of our nation.

Jealous In Texas!

[Eliot Rosewater]

33. What will happen is the State of California will soar economically and socially

while much of the rest of the country becomes bogged down in hatred, economic ruin and disaster.

So look for a new meme from the GOP about why California is really not doing well. It will be similar to how record low unemployment numbers are not really record low unemployment numbers.

[nbsmom]

46. Ahem. CA will CONTINUE to soar economically and socially

We really don't need to keep subsidizing the rest of the country's bad decisions.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

48. the catalyst would if the federal government were to smother California

There is not a single industry in California of any significance that will benefit from trade and immigration barriers. If the US heads down an insular and protectionist path every financial interest in California will revolt.

[Turbineguy]

52. Deplorabilism

A new political philosophy.

[BlueCaliDem]

56. We're also the wealthiest State in the Union, and that means Republicans will try to come after

our surplus, just as they'd done under G.W. Bush which turned a projected $8 billion dollar surplus into a $27 billion dollar deficit within five months.

They'll try each and every way to punish "disloyal" California by forcing us into deficits again so they can - again - force a governor recall and install a Republican to make things worse - just as they'd done in 2001.

And I'm sick and tired of having to pay exuberant taxes to States whose majority population hates us. Now that I know that Putin is behind Calexit, I no longer support it, but I do hope that our governor and legislature is ten times tougher than Gray Davis' administration and can stop Republicans from using CA as their personal cash-cow.