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seaglass

(8,171 posts)
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:00 AM Dec 2016

Truth is a lost game in Turkey. Dont let the same thing happen to you

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/15/truth-lost-game-turkey-europe-america-facts-values?CMP=share_btn_tw
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"This refashioning of a post-truth, post-fact Turkey has not happened overnight. The process has involved the skilful and wilful manipulation of narratives. We gave up asking the astonished questions “How can they say or do that?” some time ago. Truth is a lost game in my country. In Europe and America, you still have time to rescue it – but you must learn from Turkey how easily it can be lost.

It started 15 years ago, with a phenomenon that will now be familiar to you, when intellectuals and journalists reacted to a nascent populism with the self-critical question: “Are we out of touch?” To counter that possibility, they widened the parameters of public debate to include those who were said to be representatives of “real people”. We thought our own tool, the ability to question and establish truth, would be adequate to keep the discourse safe. It wasn’t. Soon we were paralysed by the lies of populism, which always sounded more attractive than our boring facts.

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An analogy came to mind: that this is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. Even if you win within the rules, the pigeon will clutter up the pieces, and finally it will shit on the chessboard, leaving you to deal with the mess. Farage, having told us to “cheer up”, and that this was “not a funeral”, did exactly that. Having dumbfounded the audience, he announced – as if fleeing a boring party – that he was off to meet Donald Trump in Washington.

Be warned. For 15 years we played chess with the pigeon in Turkey, but now we don’t even have the chessboard. Some of you still have time to shape your future. Use it."

We Hillary voters are not out of touch, we are more in touch with the all the diverse people of this country than any WWC/rural Trump voter. Never forget that.
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Truth is a lost game in Turkey. Dont let the same thing happen to you (Original Post) seaglass Dec 2016 OP
Mahalo seaglass Cha Dec 2016 #1
I fear we have already crossed that grim threshhold Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #2
Agree. We are definitely "post-truth" here. This election proves it. n/t Coventina Dec 2016 #4
Coming soon to dying republic near you. DemoTex Dec 2016 #3
Kick SecularMotion Dec 2016 #5
Terrifying because the USA is already in this cycle Moliere Dec 2016 #6
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
2. I fear we have already crossed that grim threshhold
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:46 AM
Dec 2016

there is no truth or rules anymore, for those in power.

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