So sick of article after article asking for empathy towards white working class trump voters

[La Lioness Priyanka]

I have no sympathy or empathy for my oppressors, I have no empathy about the people who chose to vote in a monster because they were told people like me would suffer and they would rise again. I don't care that their health care will likely be gone, I don't care that the environment they live in will likely be poisoned, I don't care that their social security net will be removed.

I care that this is also going to happen to a lot of black and brown and not racist white folks who did not bring it upon themselves.

Where are the articles asking the winners of this election to empathize with the rest of us?

[JHan]

1. Such articles don't exist...

We're supposed to sing Kumbaya with supporters of a man who scapegoated minorities - with no expectation that they recognize the effects of their actions.

And all year, column after column about disgruntled Trumpians.

New York Times ran one article about black millennials like myself - and it was in reference to lack of support for HRC.

Gee, wish they bothered to interview people like me who came round to supporting her.

A year of Trump's dog whistles and disgusting behavior excused away , rationalized and lifted to legitimate grievance, now washed clean because of his E.C win - the same Electoral College conceived to pander to Slave Owning States.

#NotHereForIt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. there were so many articles on trump voters and bernie voters

and like maybe 3 on HRC voters. apparently women of color voters are not that interesting.

everything young white people or old white people do is super thrilling.

[JHan]

7. and they can't say we didn't show up in spite of the fuckery..

94% of black women voted Dem.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. if not for black women, there is no democratic party

like none, nada, nothing.

[brer cat]

13. *This*

Those calling for us to scrap "identity politics" forgot this, or never recognized it. Insane!

[ismnotwasm]

26. Yup.

[Starry Messenger]

30. Correct.

[bettyellen]

36. Reminds me of what Lorne Michaels about a skit with Gilda and Lorraine in it....

"Nobody wants to see two women" Don't know how Tina Fey put up with that crap.

Dude probably thinks he's always been progressive as fuck too.

[ProfessorGAC]

56. Well, Tina Probably Put Up With It. . .

. . .because she did lots of recurring bits with 2 women. So, Michaels probably changed his view over the years.

Not saying he was right in the first place, Bettyellen. I would have thought a Gilda/Lorriane sketch would be highly likely to be hilarious.

[bettyellen]

59. Many years later. I remember one sketch they DID let them do together....

Early on. Playing little girls in nightgowns being babysit by a pervy older guy. Michael or something?
I remember him getting them to gyrate as if they were racing horses. They were definitely straddling and Bucking. So Lorne could give women a break occasionally.
Funny haven't thought about that skit in many years.

[ProfessorGAC]

62. I Remember That One Too!

Tina did a lot with Amy Poehler when she was on the show. Of course, she was one of the head writers so she probably had extra clout.

[cannabis_flower]

92. Actually

It was Buck Henry.

[Yavin4]

3. Sometimes the best empathy is no empathy

Feeling empathy for someone in a bad life situation is noble. However, feeling empathy for someone who puts themselves and others in bad life situations on a repeated basis for ignoble reasons is beyond foolish and enables them to continue to make the same bad choices.

[handmade34]

10. I am capable of great empathy

but NONE for the willfully ignorant, I will not feel sorry for those unwilling to take the time and effort to think critically about the big picture... we are hurting because of them

[Cosmocat]

4. I have been fed the fuck up with the non-stop victimization

for a LONG damn time now.

But, it is now what our country is.

[mreilly]

5. I'm with you

... when did these people try to show us any empathy or understanding when Obama won in 2008 or 2012? They didn't. They screamed and yelled and tried to sabotage his Presidency at every turn, constantly and endlessly crying victim and insisting he (and we) weren't "real Americans." And now they are lying and saying they accepted him as their President, gave him every chance, and never attempted to undermine or deride him. HORSESHIT. Goes to show they change their stories more often than they change their underwear.

And now that less than 25% of eligible voters chose the Orange Fraud, they are strutting around acting like they have a mandate, lying Trump won the popular vote, and insisting it's up to us to understand them, to get along, to do whatever they say.

Get ready for them to now piously insist that if we don't go along with everything the President does and keep our mouths shut then we are traitors, just as they bellowed during the Bush years.

No, we won't. I will treat Trump EXACTLY as they did Obama, with just as much refusal to accept his decrees, just as much scorn and skepticism towards his policies, and just as much disrespect as they presented him, with the exception that I refuse to make up lies; fake scandals to be "outraged" over since Trump will give us more than enough FACTS to bring him down.

Always remember there is no cooperation with these people. Ever. These are loudmouthed bullies braying about how "liberal snowflakes need safe spaces when they get triggered," but if someone out there dares to criticize Cheeto Jesus they are the first ones SHRIEKING for that person's head. Screaming for boycotts. Making death threats. So much for free speech. They need their little safe spaces just the same when someone DARES to say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."

And don't even get me started on the immediate hypocrisy they've trotted out about how Russian interference in the U.S. elections is of course just a leftist myth not worth investigating but Benghazi was worth investigating over and over and spending untold millions on and they never found any evidence of wrongdoing on Hillary's part. Which of course never stopped them from squealing she was 100% guilty.

So, no, they will never get one iota of sympathy from me, never one moment spent trying to understand their ignorant, racist, misogynistic nonsense. These are people SNEERING at those wearing safety pins to support one another that "Those are diaper pins!" Proving they will always find ways to be worse and worse assholes. Personally, I hope all that hate causes them to keel over and make way for the next generation of younger voters who will kick Trump and these bullies to the curb in 2018 and 2020.

[VOX]

40. How long before we hear, "Show some respect for the office of the president!"

As we did during BushCo. Your post is nicely stated. You hit just about every point. Thank you!

[raccoon]

50. Thank you, especially for this:

Always remember there is no cooperation with these people. Ever. These are loudmouthed bullies braying about how "liberal snowflakes need safe spaces when they get triggered," but if someone out there dares to criticize Cheeto Jesus they are the first ones SHRIEKING for that person's head.

[raccoon]

51. Thank you, especially for this:

Always remember there is no cooperation with these people. Ever. These are loudmouthed bullies braying about how "liberal snowflakes need safe spaces when they get triggered," but if someone out there dares to criticize Cheeto Jesus they are the first ones SHRIEKING for that person's head.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

64. + a million

You said it all.

[heaven05]

79. +1000

yep

[Mr Dixon]

6. Madness

I find it Funny and Sad that these ppl have been duped, this has been the case thru out the history of this country turning the poor against each other, sorry more like turning the poor white people against all minorities. This shit has played out before, the rich landowners fooled the poor whites into breaking away from the other indentured servants against their own best interest. Soon they will realize that white is not right and Black is not wrong, the only color that matters is green. This is a massive con-game that works every fucking time, so there is no reason not to keep running the con even in 2106………..SMH

[Missn-Hitch]

9. Hear, hear!

There is a large field. If you walk into that field about a 1/2 mile, there you will find all the f**ks I give about them.

May the full force of gop policies be unleashed upon the country and world. WE DESERVE IT!

Cheers.

"Mom's coming round to put it back the way it ought to be." -MJK

[Different Drummer]

38. "Mom's coming round to put it back the way it ought to be." -MJK

Now that song is stuck in my head! Rather fitting for the situation we find ourselves in, no?

[Missn-Hitch]

42. Extremely fitting. Cheers!

[world wide wally]

11. We were discussing the exact same thing yesterday

Not even one article outside DU on how Trump voters should be empathizing wih people who voted for the person who got more votes.

[OldRedneck]

12. I just added a bumper sticker . . .

. . . to my big-ass gas-guzzling F250 SuperDuty 4WD truck: "I'll show your president the same respect you showed mine."

It's stuck square in the center of the tailgate where no one can miss it.

My truck is decorated with lots of decals and stickers:

Ranger
US Army Retired
Airborne
Special Forces
Vietnam Vet
Remington
Sig-Sauer
Proud to be a Democrat
Spiritual people inspire me, Religious people frighten me
=
Clinton-Kaine 2016
EMT

I live in a Republican-Tea Party-Wingnut rural area and at least once a week I take a ration of shit from some dumbfuck peckerwood about my bumper stickers. One guy even told me Democrats should be shot. I told him to get his gun and start shooting -- I thought he was going to piss on himself!!

This new bumper sticker will send some of them over the edge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BlueMTexpat]

19. Good for you!

[meow2u3]

25. Now THAT'S how to stand up to a bully who can run his mouth

and is too chickenshit to back it up with action! WTG, Old Redneck!!!

[uponit7771]

27. +1

[Missn-Hitch]

43. Hey OldRedneck! Much respect to you! Love it.

I want to be your neighbor.

[DonCoquixote]

46. salute

I wanna be you when I grow up

[Coolest Ranger]

78. Dutzy

and thank you for standing up for us

[ileus]

14. Fuck them...may they all rot in hell.

That's what they said to us...

[NBachers]

15. Trump policies will make them the first to die; I wiill be the last to cry.

[yardwork]

16. White privilege. The opinions of ignorant mean white people count more.

[bettyellen]

37. No matter how stupid or cruel they are, they're more deserving -according to the media-

Than any woman or brown person could ever be.

[think]

17. There will still be an electoral college in 2020. If Democrats want to win in 2020 they need to win

in those states where the Democrats lost votes in 2016 compared to 2008 & 2012.

Hillary lost key states where the TPP, jobs, and trade were major issues. Big industry outsourcing jobs caused huge losses in the region.

Counties like Kenosha had only voted for a Republican for president 2 times since 1928 and yet they voted for Trump:

Trump snapped County Republican skid of 44 years

Posted by Jason Arndt / November 16, 2016

By Jason Arndt
Staff Writer

While Wisconsin turned red for the first time since 1984 in a presidential election, Kenosha County’s streak was substantially longer, according to the County Clerk’s Office.

President-elect Donald Trump, who won by a mere 255 votes against Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton in Kenosha County, became the first Republican to win the county since 1972 when Richard Nixon also won the state contest.

Before 1972, only one other Republican has won Kenosha County since 1928 when Herbert Hoover was elected, and that was Dwight Eisenhower in 1956.

Of the 77,576 total ballots cast in the recent election, Trump received 36,025 votes compared to Clinton’s 35,770....

Read more:
http://mykenoshacounty.com/?p=9822

Kenosha Presidential election results 2012:

Obama/Biden (DEM) 44,838 55.47
Romney/Ryan (REP) 34,942 43.23

http://www.co.kenosha.wi.us/1428/Election-Results-for-11062012

In 2008 the margin was even greater in Kenosha:

Barack Obama 45,836 58.38%
John McCain 31,609 40.26%

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/elec08/KENOSHA-WISCONSIN.html#ixzz4TOb2afSD

[lunasun]

58. Did Feingold lose there too? Yes by more than HRC Why again?

Paul Ryan 60% Kenosha cnty
Are you in the area?

[think]

66. I don't know why Feingold lost. But this played out in other states in the rustbelt as well.

Where Obama had won but Hillary lost.

I'd prefer to focus on making sure these areas vote for a Democrat next time...

[BlueMTexpat]

18. BIG KICK from me, LLP!

And I am an old white woman who voted for Hillary and have been a Dem who has worked in the trenches all my life!

Yes, I am thoroughly sick of the kowtowing to and handwringing about white working class Trump voters ... or BernieBros like those deplorable electors who refused to cast their electoral votes for Hillary yesterday. They do not deserve forgiveness or empathy and I sincerely hope that their karma will gift each and every one with what they most thoroughly deserve. Screw them ALL!

If the DNC begins to change its focus to groups other than those of us who have been most loyal - not simply for a Presidential election cycle but for the day-to-day slogging - then the Democratic Party as currently constituted will certainly cease to exist. If so, I want to align myself with whatever party stands proudly for civil rights and liberties for ALL of us - including those of all cultures, colors, races and religions - and considers those of us who are female to be every bit the equal of males insofar as those rights and liberties are concerned.

All white working class Trump voters and others are welcome to join us once their critical thinking skills begin to function. But we should not go actively seeking them and continuing to enable their nastiness. F**k THAT! We will also NOT sacrifice our goals or ideals to kowtow to them. F**k NO!

Much as I would love to "go high," as both Michelle Obama and Hillary have requested, I am much too angry EVER to forgive or to forget the nastiness, the pettiness, and the wholesale scuttling of our democracy that these people have ALL contributed to.

May they enjoy their smug selfishness as they lose their coverage under the ACA, their Social Security, their Medicare and their hopes of a better life! That smug selfishness will be all they have and certainly all that they deserve.

If only undeserving vulnerable people would not have to suffer the same fate.

[narnian60]

54. Well said.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. I get tired of people saying "working class" as a slam.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. also, lots of not working class whites voted for Trump

[Spitfire of ATJ]

35. He had a lock on the "boss" vote.

[ProfessorGAC]

61. Well, Not All Bosses

I sure didn't vote for him.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

80. Okay, all of the ones that tend to walk into closed patio doors regularly.

[ProfessorGAC]

82. Well, I Don't Have Patio Doors! LOL!

So, i'm safe from that malady.

Have a good holiday, Spitfire!

[get the red out]

53. You've got that right!

I know some of those. Well educated too.

[lunasun]

57. So many republicans around here are quite wealthy and not hurting . I won't normalize their vote

to hurt me. What would I be if I did?

[smirkymonkey]

21. Thank YOU!

I heartily agree. Eff them!

[betsuni]

22. K&R

[LanternWaste]

24. I have never, don't, and will never reach out to the willfully ignorant.

I have never, don't, and will never reach out to the willfully ignorant; and if that catch-all comprises XX% of the white working class male, I don't care.

This particular demographic, taking pride in its ignorance and intolerance are obstacles, not creative solutions to be taught, or to send political missionaries to in some manner of secular outreach as some idiots may profess.

Anyone who wants to rationalize with the irrational is an idiot in my opinion, but hey... if that's their thing, I've got a brother who thinks Obama is a Kenyan Super-Secret Muslim who will be taking away our guns on Jan 19. Start with him... idiots in stereo is real entertainment.

[Missn-Hitch]

44. You only have one brother which thinks this? Lucky. I have three.

[ymetca]

28. I call it Jesus Syndrome

"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." Seems fine when your not the one being crucified!

Naturally, all these lily-white evangelicals conveniently forget he was a brown-skinned Jew.

Way back when the Ayatollah called America "The Great Satan" it occurred to almost no one just how correctly he surmised the situation.

[RedWedge]

29. Honestly, I think it's a role that some people can take on.

But definitely not those who have already been doing the heavy lifting for years, such as educating and working with supposed allies. I do think I can help by listening to some particular Trump voters. But it's because I have a lot of privilege (white, educated, etc.) and the time/resources to do it. I would never expect those who are more directly oppressed by him to do the heavy lifting of reaching "switchable" voters, but I don't see the value in the entire party writing some of them off whole hog.

[hamsterjill]

31. I'm completely in agreement with you.

If I hear "give him a chance" one more time, I may just have to barf on the shoes of the person spewing that line of bullshit.

I'm not going to give a loser "a chance" to do exactly what we all know he's going to do. Screw everyone over who isn't rich like him. There's not a lot I can do about it because, well, now he'll be the President. Stressing the word "the" as opposed to "my", because he will NEVER be my President. I was smarter than that.

And I'm not going to let anyone around me who voted for Trump forget that I was smart enough NOT to vote for him.

[Nonhlanhla]

32. I agree with you

I'm sick of hearing all about white angst, and this in the aftermath of "electing" someone who is threatening the lives of racial and religious minorities as well as women. I get that the rise of white nationalism should be noted, as it clearly played a huge role in the outcome of this election and is part of a global phenomenon (Brexit plus European far-right movements), but my empathy lies not with the white folks who voted this monster in, but with the people who have been demonized and will be harmed by him. And I say this as a white person.

[Generator]

34. Threatening the lives

That's exactly it. I am a white women and I can't even fathom. Frankly if I was Muslim or Jewish or Black or any color not white and could get the hell out of this country I would. Of course it's not feasible for hardly anyone. But the fear is something that is real.

[Freethinker65]

33. I have no empathy for anyone that voted for Trump or did not vote

I do not care what socio-economic class those voters/non-voters belong to. Unfortunately, most of us will now suffer the consequences together.

[leftyladyfrommo]

39. That is kind of how I feel.

They knew what kind of man they were voting for.

One guy told me had had it with the Clintons. And another one told me he wanted to shake things up.

So you vote in a mentally unstable total jerk?

[tenderfoot]

41. I like how progressives are supposed to listen and understand the bigoted.

As if they'd ever lend an ear.

[KittyWampus]

49. Well, the key to manipulating people is to figure out what the best hook is.

So from a practical marketing perspective, somebody on the Left must be tasked with listening to them and figuring out how to sell to them.

If people can be convinced that McDonalds hamburgers taste good, they can be convinced of anything.

[duffyduff]

45. The bullshit Michael Moore meme is still being peddled here.

It is totally false. With the white dudes, it was all about bigotry with them. Trump made it fashionable to be a bigoted asshole again.

[romanic]

47. Demonizing and underestimating the "white working class"

Got us here. Just saying.

[KittyWampus]

48. Look, their vote is worth many times mine, as a NY resident. They already have a huge advantage

in the Electoral College.

[madaboutharry]

52. I completely agree with you.

Because I am a white person, other white people who don't know me all that well, have from time to time felt mighty comfortable saying some rather terrible things in front of me.

Empathy for these people? No.

The media tried to spin this as "They voted for Trump despite his racist, sexist, xenophobic speeches...blah, blah, blah.."

Wrong! They voted for him BECAUSE OF IT.

[Me.]

55. Or How About Constant Articles

where Bernie tells us what we dems must do.

[bigtree]

60. absolutely

...why would any progressive waste a second worrying about attracting those voters when our party hasn't even begun to address the needs of the working poor and the ENTIRE working-class, a majority who voted for Hillary.

[Paladin]

63. Amen, LLP.

After the inevitable Trump cave-in, let the brighter segment of the white working class make their way back to us, and to hell with the rest of them---decades of Limbaugh and Fox "News" have rendered them a hopeless cause. Let's stick with our core constituencies, vigorously work a 50-state vote turnout, step up our media presence, and get out of this ugly swamp in which we find ourselves.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

65. No one has to "personally" feel empathy for those voters

but if we want to win elections, the Democratic Party will have to reach out to them, and calling them names isn't going to help.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

67. No, we have to ensure that our coalition turns out

And are allowed to vote

This was the first post VRA election and we are feeling the intended end results of that

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

70. The electoral college isn't going any where

and you are assuming that the next Republican candidate will be as freaking awful as Trump.

In a close race, we need the broadest coalition possible, imo, and four years of shaming and name calling white flyover country is going to lose us even more votes.

When you throw shit out with a broad brush, you end up hitting bystanders who would consider voting with us, but are tired of the insults.

[Afromania]

83. ok

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So, we should hold our noses, put hats to our hearts and say pretty please with a cherry on top come vote for Dems next time? The entire Republican platform is whistle blown name calling. Everybody that votes for their ideology has answered that call.

Many of these folks are also against Black Lives Matter and will happily tell me how I need to wait for all the facts every time a black man is shot. Infact, I've had this exact conversation, in person and online. All I get for my efforts is how somebody stopped them, or their friend one time, a blah blah frickity blah "do what the police tell you". Uh huh, nothing there empathizes with my plight. No calls to have a realistic dialog about how things can be fixed. No empathy with me when I tell them I have, and NEED, a special "yesssir boss" routine for traffic stops. So that I don't end up shot for missing a stop sign and having my wallet in the wrong place; which by the way is any place not in the offers hand BEFORE he/she asks for it.

Why, for once in their miserable small hearted lives, don't these voters rise to the occasion rather than waiting for somebody spoon feed them pap and be willing to turn the entire world into their own personal safespace? Trump flat out lied to them while blowing the biggest loudest dog whistle he could. What can you say to these people to get them to understand that everybody is out there busting their butts to live, not just them? How do you undo the fact that they are unwilling to understand that their bastions are not representative of the entire world and the lies they tell themselves about us, all the us(es) (no matter the color) including the rural ones isn't real?

There are way too many think pieces stating that we(sane folks) shouldn't be upset with the Trump voter but can you tell me why we should just be okay with it? Trump made it perfectly clear how hateful and petty, vindictive and rotten he is to everybody, and everything. It's not an isolated incident but a continuous body over the course of 70 years. What do you say to people who are straight up telling us not to believe our lieing ears and eyes. That facts, and actions don't matter. just trust that he'll do the exact opposite of what he said. Why should any of us have empathy for that? Because they are desparate? How many people that voted Dem or didn't have time to vote at all are just that desperate, or do we not count as much? What do you say that isn't an outright lie in words that they'll understand?

As for the people that are willing to jump ship and vote for Trump and fascism because their Trump voting friends and relatives are being called on their shit. Well, those people were weak assed progressives to begin with. They played at being Liberal until they had reason to cut and run. When you vote it's for what you believe in and how you want the world to be going forward into the future. This isn't a game, you vote for those people you believe will keep the world spinning for all of its' inhabitants. You aren't joining a damn high school clique and voting for homecoming king.

To be perfectly honest the only person that's going to do that is one that feels they don't have any skin in the game or didn't believe in the platform anyway. When the choice was made to vote for Trump, and all his baggage, it's people that feel they don't have any skin in the game. Let's be honest that for the great part it was white voters. This whole swing state thing is based on fickle people who feel they can hopscotch around until they get somebody to do whatever it is that they want. There is no absolute worst choice for them because on a base level they will still be able to live free.

I, as well as other brown and black peoples do not have that choice. There is an absolute worst position to take. It just so happens there is one for the entire country as well, and they took it. When, not if the shit hits the fan. I, and folks like me, are immediately the target of the establishment; as if we didn't have enough of that particular problem already. The National Police Union is lobbying Trump to open up racial profiling laws along with national stop and frisk. Those two things have been on the table the entire Trump campaign, but the Trump voter doesn't give a fuck. I don't see any of them saying hey wait Trump that's not right, and you never will. The police aren't going to be stopping their little sweet "babies" on the street and roughing them up looking for whoever it is they're allegedly looking for.

When you get right down to it. You have rural, flyover, whatthefuckever people who are willing to go from voting Democratic to voting Republican because people are pissed at rural, flyover, whatthefuckevers that voted for an obnoxious, unqualified, idiot. Again, let's be honest and state that it's white folks in these areas that can SAFELY go and do that kind of thing. The black and brown people that were stupid enough to do it are the ones feel like they are above it all for some reason. Welp they'll have their face pushed in by police and the bigoted Trump voter just the same as the black, brown, and pink person that sides with the "other".


P.S. I've edited this too many times, also I'm not upset with Tex, just the whole kiss and make up thing that's going on with the media. It's not their voting rights the Right is trying so hard to take away.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

95. I do understand how upset you are

but I was talking about when we will be facing someone "other" than Trump. I just cannot imagine that he is going to be the candidate 4 years from now. At some point, we will face another Republican candidate, and there's a lot of moderate/unaffiliated voters who we want to swing to our side in the next election including many who didn't vote this time around.

All I'm saying...

Peace. Have a wonderful holiday season.

[Afromania]

96. thanks

The next one will be quieter with the whistle for sure. We still end up at the starting point of the Trump voter being lied to and knowing that they were being lied to. They had to because the man jumped from thing to thing every few days and they are following him like he's the pied pier and are willing to throw recovery under the bus because it's not as fast as they wanted?

It takes longer to build than it does to destroy and being fickle isn't going to help anything. Would they have voted for Hillary is she told them that? Who knows, but they're going to have to find the water on their own. I have the distinct feeling they won't until the Republican party finally kicks them into the water we've been trying to lead them to. At that point we toss them a dusty red solo cup and say "we've been waiting for you, have a drink and we'll talk". It's not going to happen a second before then tho. I hope that we can end this farce sooner than later, but humanity has so much capacity for doing worse that I don't even know anymore.

[HughBeaumont]

74. Like it was commented in another thread . . .

. . . you could give the "God, Gunz and Geighs" crowd a million dollars apiece and they'd still never vote for a Democrat.

We shouldn't have to "understand" people that don't even understand themselves.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

71. Like a lot of people on this board.

[Nitram]

69. Me too.

Being an unskilled and uneducated rural-living American does not entitle you automatically to a well-paying job. You have to go out there and get some skills and get a job where the jobs are. vote for a democrat and you might get some job training if you have the ability to focus that long.

[jimlup]

72. I respectfully submit that they are not your oppressors

They are the victims of the system too. They are a large voting block (obviously) and they can be motivated to vote (obviously). We need to convince them that there is hope as they have none now and Trump is how they express that feeling.

It is not the "white working class males" who are taking away Health Care, Social Security and ruining the environment. It is something else that is much worse. In my opinion, we need to focus on the problem not the symptoms of that problem.

Respectfully,

Jim (Yes, I am a white working class male voter but I proudly voted for Hillary because I'm not ignorant.)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

75. Then you don't understand what oppression is

Just because they vote against their economic interest to further their racial agenda, does not make them less oppressive.

[jimlup]

76. I disagree

I (again respectfully) claim the opposite.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

77. You can disagree all you want, but you are not the victim

Of their racism.

[heaven05]

73. Well race was/is the trump card

the fact that a 21st century fuhrer is now potus is overwhelmingly because of racists voting that clown-monkey into office. Lert them try to protect their brethren, they have always done that. During the lynching days, they always found a reason for the lynching outside of racist hate that murders PoC. They try to ease their conscience when the truth barges in, fuck em, they care nothing about all who will suffer under this racist administration. NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Just ignore them. They don't care about PoC and all the poor who will suffer. Yes even here, that is true.

[PotatoChip]

81. Percentage-wise the R's LOST white voters, but GAINED voters of color.

(IMHO, the intense interest in Trump voter demographics is nudging out other important things that we should also be focusing on).

But if we are going to do a thorough introspective analysis on this one topic, we should also be asking ourselves why we lost some voters of color to a racist.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

85. Aww

[-Steph-]

86. At this moment I have zero empathy for anyone who voted for Trump...

They can all fuck off to Russia.

[kimbutgar]

87. A lady was gloating on Facebook yesterday about now we've got a "real president"

I noticed she lived in "the villages" in Florida. I wrote her this: You are a sad sad person. I can't wait until you get screwed over by orange hitler and get your social security payments cut or eliminated and lose your Medicare by getting a worthless voucher and endure endless flooding in your community because you voted for a climate change denier. You will suffer more then me and I will have a good laugh at your expense.

I now I sounded mean but these orange hitler supporters need to face the consequences of their votes sooner rather than later.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

88. I must share this!! You nailed it.

[Fast Walker 52]

89. Yep! Amen!

[NastyRiffraff]

90. OP of the month!

I simply can't understand why 53% of white women voted for Trump! (And as a white woman myself I apologize for them.) I can't understand why any woman voted for the man who bragged about grabbing pussies, who said women have to be treated "like shit," who said of a 10 year old girl he'd be dating her in 10 years, and many many other deliberate put-downs of women.

[Gothmog]

91. The Democratic Party isnt going to back down from defending minority rights

The Democratic Party cannot give up on defending minority rights and still be the Democratic Party https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/15/the-democratic-party-isnt-going-to-back-down-from-defending-minority-rights/?utm_term=.e45d12a0a3a3

It’s this: No matter what, the Democratic Party isn’t going to back down from aggressively defending minority rights. It just can’t. That’s because in the near future, the Democratic Party is going to be in the opposition, which means it will inevitably be striking a posture of resistance to much of what President Trump and congressional Republicans do. That agenda is likely to feature a major assault on various constituencies that will simply require Democrats to mount an aggressive, sustained defense of them.

Trump campaigned on a platform that contained explicit vows of naked persecution of minorities. The Democratic Party has to organize itself to no small degree around resisting the implementation of those promises, should Trump make good on them — something that’s particularly urgent in an environment of resurgent reactionary sentiment and white backlash, which appear to be underway in the Era of Trump....

What this all means is that Democrats may find themselves in a position where they have to aggressively defend minority rights against an intensified threat to them. And that may require Dems to proceed from there to solving the problem of how to defend those rights while simultaneously broadening the party’s economic appeal to working class and middle class whites. None of this even gets into the additional point that many of the challenges facing minorities are also economic ones, which makes the whole debate over whether to embrace an economic message or a micro-targeted cultural one a bit of a false choice to begin with.

Now, obviously, individual candidates in the coming 2018 gubernatorial, Senate, and House contests will do their own thing, finding their own answers to these political challenges that they deem appropriate to the electorates they’re appealing to. But for the Democratic Party as a whole, if Trump does what he said he would do, adopting an uncompromising defense of minority rights will be a given.

We as a party cannot give up on this issue

[closeupready]

93. Sorry, but you've changed. And I think I'm going to part ways with you here.

I've enjoyed our e-friendship, but just as I've changed, everyone changes. Farewell!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

94. ok.