BAWAWAWAWAWAWA

[DemocratSinceBirth]

BTW, I found it on Drumpf's twitter page

[Ilsa]

1. She grew up in a middle class family. Trumputin has never known what

it means to be hungry or eat only beans and rice for days in a row.

[bettyellen]

91. And too many Dems called her part of a dynasty... As if she were Bill's child!

WTF she was a hard working woman all her life. Crazy.

[maddiemom]

107. That "Clinton Dynasty" thing always bothers me, too,

It's another false equivalency.

[DK504]

2. Can someone post this on every White Supremists web sites?

Howsa about Morning Joe Jerkoff, that would be nice. Maybe on Brietbart or Alex Jones?

This makes me want to throw up.

[Squinch]

3. How much of an idiot do you have to be????

[JI7]

5. or just a bigot

[Squinch]

6. And a sexist.

[JI7]

11. sexism for sure

In those 3 blue rust belt states she lost but gore and kerry won, sexism played a part.

Kerry had those blue collar men working the states for him which they did not do for hillary because they can't stand a woman being in charge.

[Dave in VA]

108. Bigot...

This is exactly why they voted for Drumpf.

Blinded by their white! Bring back American Apartheid! They can dress it up in all the economic BS they want, but they are so afraid of not being at the top of the social food chain.

(BTW, I am a 64 year old white guy.)

[JI7]

4. just admit you don't like "those" people

[Squinch]

7. Yup. The lie is so tissue thin, I am surprised the guy can keep a straight face for the photo.

[aggiesal]

8. This says it all ...

[oasis]

14. Dumbfuckistan.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Map suggests the further you live from your fellow Americans the more likely you are to dig Trump/nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. In a perfect world we would keep the Senate and abolish the Electoral College.

By keeping the Senate small states would still have power and by abolishing the Electoral College every voter would have the same power. The Electoral College punishes voters who live in densely populated areas.

Practically I don't know.

[quakerboy]

101. In a perfect world

We would think long and hard about what to do with the senate, abolish the electoral college, and and have a federally run, transparent system for voting and for redistricting of house seats in non gerrymandered ways.

[paleotn]

20. Sure....

...but hardly anyone lives in all those red counties, particularly west of the Mississippi. The blue is where the vast majority of the people reside. Bad as the electoral college is, we don't elect politicians based on square miles.

However, I agree that we've got some issues to sort out.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Let's just throw this out there

The divide is economic, and it is massive. According to the Brookings analysis, the less-than-500 counties that Clinton won nationwide combined to generate 64 percent of America's economic activity in 2015. The more-than-2,600 counties that Trump won combined to generate 36 percent of the country's economic activity last year.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/22/donald-trump-lost-most-of-the-american-economy-in-this-election/?utm_term=.8eb955aef723

[dixiegrrrrl]

82. That is a fascinating bit of info.

To make the situation even more interesting, all those masses of people who live in the blue cities, really are dependent on all the people in the red states to provide meant, milk, crops, even gas and oil, for everyone.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. The deeper the blue, the less dependent that state is on the federal government.

The deeper the blue, the less dependent that state is on the federal government.


http://www.businessinsider.com/the-states-the-most-and-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government-2015-7

It seems we are subsidizing folks who don't respect us, don't appreciate us, and want to tell us how to live.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. That didn't take long.

Would you or would you not suggest the argument that we should elect our representatives by land mass and not actual votes is a right wing trope ?



SCOREBOARD !

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. I'll play

Why should progressives subsidize voters who voted for a man who called Mexicans "rapists , criminals, and murderers", who said we should ban Muslims from entering the country and surveil the ones who already here, said black people live in shitholes where you can't walk without being shot, and said it is okay to grab women by the pu$$y without their consent if you're powerful?

SCOREBOARD!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. I don't have any appreciation for Deplorables.

Before you misconstrue what I am saying I am not saying all rural people are Deplorables, only those who voted for a man who called Mexicans "rapists , criminals, and murderers", who said we should ban Muslims from entering the country and surveil the ones who already here, said black people live in shitholes where you can't walk without being shot, and said it is okay to grab women by the pu$$y without their consent if you're powerful.

Let me add if a person voted for such a man he or she is deplorable regardless of what milieu they find themselves in.


SCOREBOARD!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. "Get a grip."

"Get a grip."

-Scoreboard

You seem upset.




Nobody here is suggesting we have a regressive income tax, only in the minds of those with fevered imaginations is that being suggested.

Some poster posted a map from breitbart that made it appear as Trump was extraordinarily popular. I merely pointed out the map was misleading as the less densely populated the county the better Trump does.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. I am not the first poster to point out that people vote, not land.

Wow, that's an actual "appeal to popularity"

I don't want to subsidize and perpetuate bigotry, what say you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. I already addressed it, right around the time I addressed the Breitbart map

"True. Also people pay taxes, not areas."

-Scoreboard

I already addressed it, right around the time I addressed the Breitbart map *:



http://www.businessinsider.com/the-states-the-most-and-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government-2015-7


The blue states subsidize the red ones.






* wasn't an actual breitbart map but it might as well have been.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. "Google image map."

"Google image map..."

-Scoreboard

"What difference does it make? " Some poster posted a map that made Trump look infinitely more popular than he is. The members of our august board will just have to divine the intentions of that poster.

" People in those both red and blue states pay the taxes.
Wall St. is in New York, after all.

So who, generally would say "It seems we are subsidizing folks who don't respect us, don't appreciate us, and want to tell us how to live."? "

-Scoreboard

I don't want to subsidize bigorty. If the Ku Klux Klan solicits me for a donation I ain't giving.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. What part of people vote...

That (breitbarrt*) map accurately shows the county by country results.

-Scoreboard

What part of people vote, not dirt don't you understand?




I inserted the word breitbart but if breitbart posted a map it would likely look like that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. You said 50% of Americans live in rural counties.

About 46.2 million people, or 15 percent of the U.S. population, reside in rural counties, which spread across 72 percent of the nation's land area. From 2011 to 2012, those non-metro areas lost more than 40,000 people, a 0.1 percent drop.Jun 13, 2013
Census: Rural US loses population for first time - News - Yahoo
news.yahoo.com/census-rural-us-loses-population-first-time-040425697.html

Loving, Texas is a county. It has 82 freaking people. There are more people in an L A FITNESS at 6 oclock in the morning.

[Adrahil]

39. WTF is THIS all about.

Yeah, I'm tired of hearing these "rural" folks decry public assistance programs when they are right there at the front of the line wanting their share. Time to repeal crop subsidies. Let's these folks float on all the freedumb they want.

I'm done playing nice with these hypocritical bigots.

Also, I do not care about "90% of the country." from my window right now I can see acre upon acre of corn fields. They don't get a vote.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Who said "they don't get a vote"?

Hint, when you use quotation marks you are supposed to be using them on an actual quote. Anywho, (sp) it isn't "They don't get a vote" it is their vote is worth more than other Americans.

[Adrahil]

45. You're new here, but let's be clear....

I'm all for talking to to folks who listen to evidence and reason. Lots of these folks won't. And we already most of them that will.

Simply put, so long as we aren't hating on brown people, muslims, and LGBT folks, we will not win the rest, because they are not interested in the actual facts.

I'm not willing to pander to fuckwits. If that means we lose, then that is unfortunate, but the alternative is downright disgraceful.

And you sure are anxious to shit on members here on your very first day. Hell you've been here less than 2 hours.

[GP6971]

55. Calm down, Dude

[Adrahil]

58. Not to put too fine a point on it, but...

Where the fuck have you been for the last 8 years?

The GOP has done nothing but stir resentment against President Obama. They routinely lie about his resord and accomplishments and many, if not most of Trump's voters believe the lies!

We are not going to win over people who still think Obama was born in Kenya. We are not going to win over people who are willing to accept tens of thousands in crop subsidies or other benefits each year (because they are fine, upstanding people) while decrying "Mexicans" and black people for being welfare mooches.

They are living a fact-free life. So tell me, how exactly do you think we can reach these folks? 'Cause Hillary told them the truth. Trump lied to their faces. Hell he is even telling them now he lied to them and they STILL are lapping his shit up. That's a whole lotta cognitive dissonance to deal with.

[zippythepinhead]

88. imo, it was their ignorance that caused them to vote for trump

followed by racism, bigotry, intolerance, greed, false fear, sexism, lies, and mental instability

[raging moderate]

104. Or people who think it should MATTER where Obama was born.

Last edited Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Since his MOTHER was a natural born American citizen, from a long line of natural born American citizens, of course it doesn't matter. Obama is a natural born US citizen.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. Let's disentangle this

"....so long as we aren't hating on brown people, muslims
You may not have noticed, but a brown person with an Islamic name is currently finishing his second term as President of the United States.
He seemed to manage..."

-Scoreboard

You mean the president who the president elect suggested was an illegal alien and said was the co-founder of ISIS.

Demonizing the opposition is always a seductive and easy proposition..."

-Scoreboard

We are "demonizing" people who voted for a man who called Mexicans "rapists , criminals, and murderers", who said we should ban Muslims from entering the country and surveil the ones who already here, said black people live in shitholes where you can't walk without being shot, and said it is okay to grab women by the pu$$y without their consent if you're powerful.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Hillary won 93% of the people who voted for Obama.

She won 3,000, 000 more votes. Drumpf pulled the equivalent of a Royal Flush and won the arcane and byzantine Electoral College by 80, 000 votes. I don't see where wholesale changes are needed... Did Sugar Ray Leonard become a southpaw after he lost a contentious majority decision to Roberto Duran? No, he made some small adjustments and made him quit in their rematch.

" ...there may be bigger problems than lazy and foolish demonization."

-Scoreboard

Hard to demonize a man who called Mexicans "rapists , criminals, and murderers", who said we should ban Muslims from entering the country and surveil the ones who already here, said black people live in shitholes where you can't walk without being shot, and said it is okay to grab women by the pu$$y without their consent if you're powerful.

Seems he self demonized.

The Trump transition team met with a far right Austrian party founded by NAZIS. Is that worthy of demonization?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. If

"Never in my or your lifetime has a single political party been... less popular than the Democratic party is today."

-Scoreboard

If they are so massively unpopular how did they win more presidential and senate votes:

The White House may not be the only institution in Washington that Democrats lost on Tuesday despite getting more votes than Republicans.

It turns out that Democrats also got more votes for the U.S. Senate than Republicans...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/10/democrats-won-popular-vote-senate-too/93598998/

Can we go back to discussing the breitbart map or your assertion that nearly half of all Americans live in rural counties?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. The Breitbart map emphasizes land mass at the expense of actual humans.

What part of that don't you understand?


We are getting astray here.

They are discussing the Electoral College on MSNBC. Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out that a vote from Wyoming is worth twenty times more than a vote from California.

Do you believe a voter from Wyoming's vote should be twenty times more powerful than the vote of a voter from California?

If so, why?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. This whole thread went downhill when some poster posted a map from breitbart

This whole thread went downhill when some poster posted a map from breitbart that made it look like the entire nation was infatuated with Trump.

[Adrahil]

46. Gotta love the trolls.... NT

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. LOL

I looked at the map again. Could it be more misleading ?

Loving County , Texas has 82 people !!!. More people live on one floor of the apartment building where I live.

[Adrahil]

49. Patterns kind of emerge though....

We've seen it before.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. Might as well get my mea culpa in. It seems breitbart was not the provenance of said map.

But is that not a distinction without a difference?

The map makes it look like the whole country hearts Trump.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. I can't get over the Breitbart map.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. A distinction without a difference.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. The map makes Trump look much more popular than he is. It is a deceptive map, hence a Breitbart map

The map makes Trump look much more popular than he is. It is a deceptive map, hence a Breitbart map:

The Fix
Thanks to a bad map and bizarre math, Breitbart can report that Trump won the REAL popular vote

ttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/thanks-to-a-bad-map-and-bizarre-math-breitbart-can-report-that-trump-won-the-real-popular-vote/?utm_term=.8585357dcaf9

Hey, look, Spike threw you a lifeline:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028385807#post37


Grab it !!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. The (in)famous Breitbart map

The (infamous) Breitbart map*:




By looking at that map and nothing else a person would believe the entire nation voted for Trump, or almost the entire nation.



A resized map with counties by population:








*It's not an actual breitbart map but it might as well be. How about an Ann Coulter map?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

97. Do you prefer

Do you prefer


a) the Breitbart* map which emphasizes dirt over people:





or

b) the map that emphasizes people over dirt:







*disclaimer in previous posts

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. Now that was an ad hominem.

"...which is a helpful tool to illustrate that particular fact to those too ignorant to realize it."

-Scoreboard

I love you when you're mad, and we only just "met".


I digress



The Breitbart map that some posters are so enamored with emphasizes dirt over people. All the obscurantism certain posters can muster can not obscure the fact fifteen percent of Americans live in rural areas and that number is shrinking:


https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=urban+and+rural+population+by+state+2014

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. What county?

Trump did well in sparsely populated counties per the Breitbart map. The further you lived from your fellow Americans the more likely you are to vote for Trump.

[paleotn]

50. Wrong...

Far, far less than half the population lives in those red counties. It's not like Trumpkin got ZERO votes in the blue areas. He was crushed there, but pulled 25 to 40+ percent. Not terribly good with math, are you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. Half the country does not live in those red counties

Roughly half the nation's population live in those red counties.

-Scoreboard

Half the country does not live in those red counties:

About 46.2 million people, or 15 percent of the U.S. population, reside in rural counties, which spread across 72 percent of the nation's land area. From 2011 to 2012, those non-metro areas lost more than 40,000 people, a 0.1 percent drop.Jun 13, 2013
Census: Rural US loses population for first time - News - Yahoo
news.yahoo.com/census-rural-us-loses-population-first-time-040425697.html

[Spitfire of ATJ]

24. I blame Debbie Wasserman Schultz for this....

Her singular focus was on Hillary over everything else.

[spike jones]

37. Here are some maps showing the election result areas adjusted for population.

http://www.businessinsider.com/2016-election-results-maps-population-adjusted-cartogram-2016-11/#but-of-course-the-us-population-is-not-evenly-distributed-among-the-states-this-map-distorts-the-sizes-of-the-states-to-reflect-their-varying-populations-2

[IronLionZion]

9. OK, that's a pretty sweet lion

[montana_hazeleyes]

18. He better be careful.

His big brother may come in and shoot it.

[Initech]

10. Donald Trump is a real life C. Montgomery Burns.

I wouldn't be surprised if he releases the hounds upon people entering Trump Tower.

[mtngirl47]

12. So how come the wind machine

didn't blow off his hair?

[spanone]

13. it is truly mind-boggling.

[mobeau69]

15. Great! Thanks. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. You can find great memes on Drumpf's twitter page.

But you have to wade through the Alt Right ones.

[rtracey]

26. so

they get what they deserve.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. I saw a quote from a Trump supporter "I like Trump because he made all his money himself-

unlike Hillary, who just inherited it from her rich family"


...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. LOLZ

Her dad made drapes.

[Warren DeMontague]

63. I know.

Up is down, day is night, etc etc

[Buckeye_Democrat]

44. I've seen similar idiocy, but it's more like...

"At least Trump EARNED his money and gave thousands of people jobs! Bill and Killary stole money by working for the government!"

Toss in various misspellings.

[IronLionZion]

105. I like Trump for his lifetime of public service to help ordinary people

while Hillary was helping herself to millions by exploiting and screwing people.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

28. .....

[TheFrenchRazor]

56. hey bro, say hello to your new fast-food CEO labor secretary. what a bunch of fools. nt

[Glimmer of Hope]

86. Gawd just look at that pic. How can anyone vote for that shit?

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? Come on people!!!

[zippythepinhead]

93. They would vote

for a piss maggot for a tax cut.

Greed. Fuck the children!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[lindysalsagal]

92. They just resent her. Sexism, period. n/t.

[Rex]

100. Did he also get a coca cola with that hat?

Such cheap votes.

[zippythepinhead]

102. you mean coke?

snort, snort.

[Rex]

106. Hmmm...dunno about that, you think The Don shares?

I bet he does not share his toys with the other kids.

[Coolest Ranger]

103. God

you can attract them

[Vinca]

109. Hey, sport, the stuffed lion probably cost more than your house.

And doesn't the Donald look as if he's eagerly anticipating a dinner of Hamburger Helper???